Huma left classified materials unsecured in her car

[Major Kong]

But, but, but Powell said it was alright to leave burn bags in the car...not really but let's try this again.

[USN_Hokie]

If Hillary does win, Burn Bag should totally be her USSS code name.

[HokieFanDC]

Uprising - you have no idea what you're talking about. But thank-you for posting the precise law she broke, precisely the one Petreaus plead to.

Sure, you're the expert. So you should be able to explain why she violated this statute for having the documents her car... Without knowing: what the "burn stuff" contained, how she got them, who was authorized to see them, the circumstances in which led to the documents being in the car, how long they were in the car, where the car was, and so on. All you have is "burn stuff"in her car. So prosecutor, how is this like Petraeus handing over classified info to his mistress again?

You're defining the crime without knowing it. Keep it up!

Haha, yep. Hint: burn bags are where you put classified working papers (not in the system) for destruction. So with one comment, she tells us that they are classified, and non- inventoried, which means they shouldn't have left the secure space. IE, she knowingly broke the law.

Or, in Hillary's case, she has said that she had lots of her own personal documents put in burn bags, and destroyed. And Huma was one person who regularly was in charge of that activity. Of course, that activity is prohibited, so either way, she is doing something she shouldn't do.
I'm guessing these were personal docs related to Clinton Foundation, or other pay to play activities, that she didn't want put through the regular system, because someone might see them.

[awesome guy]

If Hillary does win, Burn Bag should totally be her USSS code name.

In this case, the burn bag was in India, that's where this incident took place.

[Uprising]

Haha, yep. Hint: burn bags are where you put classified working papers (not in the system) for destruction. So with one comment, she tells us that they are classified, and non- inventoried, which means they shouldn't have left the secure space. IE, she knowingly broke the law.

At least we know now that you didn't even bother to read the article; otherwise, you might have learned something:

A State Department official tells The Daily Caller that in some cases, burn bags can be used to dispose of information that is sensitive but unclassified.

Even if they were classified, what was the secure space the documents left? The article speculated they were traveling in India then. Jiloty was apparently with the car, she said she was "doing now [moving the docs to trunk]" two minutes after the email was sent. Are you suggesting she took non-inventoried documents to India? Or that she obtained them there and had to figure out how to get them to the burn center without traveling with them?

[USN_Hokie]

A State Department official tells The Daily Caller that in some cases, burn bags can be used to dispose of information that is sensitive but unclassified.

Lol, BS.

Even if they were classified, what was the secure space the documents left? The article speculated they were traveling in India then. Jiloty was apparently with the car, she said she was "doing now [moving the docs to trunk]" two minutes after the email was sent. Are you suggesting she took non-inventoried documents to India? Or that she obtained them there and had to figure out how to get them to the burn center without traveling with them?

Uhh...the Embassy.

[awesome guy]

A State Department official tells The Daily Caller that in some cases, burn bags can be used to dispose of information that is sensitive but unclassified.

Why were they taken out in the first place? Sounds sketchy all around.

Even if they were classified, what was the secure space the documents left? The article speculated they were traveling in India then. Jiloty was apparently with the car, she said she was "doing now [moving the docs to trunk]" two minutes after the email was sent. Are you suggesting she took non-inventoried documents to India? Or that she obtained them there and had to figure out how to get them to the burn center without traveling with them?

Uhh...the Embassy.

[Uprising]

A State Department official tells The Daily Caller that in some cases, burn bags can be used to dispose of information that is sensitive but unclassified.

Lol, BS.

OK

Even if they were classified, what was the secure space the documents left? The article speculated they were traveling in India then. Jiloty was apparently with the car, she said she was "doing now [moving the docs to trunk]" two minutes after the email was sent. Are you suggesting she took non-inventoried documents to India? Or that she obtained them there and had to figure out how to get them to the burn center without traveling with them?

Uhh...the Embassy.

She got some classified documents while visiting the embassy, took it out to a car, returned to the embassy to meet with the ambassador, and then told someone to move the docs to the trunk because she was worried that the ambassador would see the documents when riding with her? Am I getting that right? That's quite the elaborate maze you've untangled.

[133743Hokie]

She gave them to anyone who had access to her car, or the machine she duplicated them on.

So, even if we make a bunch of wild assumptions, it's still nothing like how a 4-star general's career was ruined?

He plead to improper handling and retention of classified documents. Apparently, that's just what Hillary's aide did.

No it's not.

Yes it is.

Have you ever held a security clearance? Reading a salon.com article doesn't make you an expert.

Here's the code:

§1924. Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

First you'd have to show that she:
1. Knowingly removed the classified documents.
It seems obvious that she knowingly possessed these documents. Whether or not they were classified is unknown. But let's assume...
Then that she:
a. Did so without the authority to do so.
Seems unlikely.
-AND-
b. Did so with the intent to retain at an unauthorized location.
"Intent to retain" would contradict her calling them "burn" documents. No?
From her emails, we don't know where her car is, so even if we assume that leaving them in her car could count as retaining, how do you know they are in an unauthorized location? Another state employee has access to it, so it's likely it was where state employees park. I'm guessing you'd have to charge quite a few people with this crime if they weren't allowed to have classified documents in their cars.

But let's keep pretending that what she did is precisely like giving classified documents to one's mistress.

You're a freaking idiot. Having classified docs in a pocket in your car is a violation. Period. Stop. End of story.

[awesome guy]

So, even if we make a bunch of wild assumptions, it's still nothing like how a 4-star general's career was ruined?

He plead to improper handling and retention of classified documents. Apparently, that's just what Hillary's aide did.

No it's not.

Yes it is.

Have you ever held a security clearance? Reading a salon.com article doesn't make you an expert.

Here's the code:

§1924. Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

First you'd have to show that she:
1. Knowingly removed the classified documents.
It seems obvious that she knowingly possessed these documents. Whether or not they were classified is unknown. But let's assume...
Then that she:
a. Did so without the authority to do so.
Seems unlikely.
-AND-
b. Did so with the intent to retain at an unauthorized location.
"Intent to retain" would contradict her calling them "burn" documents. No?
From her emails, we don't know where her car is, so even if we assume that leaving them in her car could count as retaining, how do you know they are in an unauthorized location? Another state employee has access to it, so it's likely it was where state employees park. I'm guessing you'd have to charge quite a few people with this crime if they weren't allowed to have classified documents in their cars.

But let's keep pretending that what she did is precisely like giving classified documents to one's mistress.

You're a freaking idiot. Having classified docs in a pocket in your car is a violation. Period. Stop. End of story.

I want him to keep going on and digging! He's smug so he must be right, right?

[Uprising]

You're a freaking idiot. Having classified docs in a pocket in your car is a violation. Period. Stop. End of story.

That's interesting. How would a state department official travel with classified documents then?

[USN_Hokie]

You're a freaking idiot. Having classified docs in a pocket in your car is a violation. Period. Stop. End of story.

That's interesting. How would a state department official travel with classified documents then?

Nobody wants to explain it to you because you've proven to be an ideologue incapable of processing any criticism of your team. How on earth are you having trouble comprehending that Clinton and her cronies have no regard for the rule of law? They think that stuff is for little people like you.

[RiverguyVT]

At least we know now that you didn't even bother to read the article; otherwise, you might have learned something:

A State Department official tells The Daily Caller that in some cases, burn bags can be used to dispose of information that is sensitive but unclassified.

Oh, the head stands.
You mean to say a Hillary shill at state says it's okay? Hell, I guess one could put a used coffee cup in a burn bag, too, but doubt Hillary's brain (Huma) would have been freaking out about it in email if that were the case..

Yay, team.

[nolanvt]

Fringe source

[RiverguyVT]

Fringe source

Why? Were they caught vetting stories with one of the parties?

[Uprising]

You're a freaking idiot. Having classified docs in a pocket in your car is a violation. Period. Stop. End of story.

That's interesting. How would a state department official travel with classified documents then?

Nobody wants to explain it to you because you've proven to be an ideologue incapable of processing any criticism of your team. How on earth are you having trouble comprehending that Clinton and her cronies have no regard for the rule of law? They think that stuff is for little people like you.

I'd like to understand. Let me lay out a scenario that I think is likely, and you tell me what law was broken:
Abedin is given a briefing in the morning as they head out of their hotel to meet with the ambassador. She reads the briefing in the back seat of the car she is traveling in (she's traveling as part of Secretary Clinton's motorcade). Upon arriving at the embassy, she puts the briefing in the front seat pocket and heads into the embassy. The cars are left attended by DSS agents and other state officials like Jiloty. While in the embassy, Abedin discovers that the ambassador will be leaving with them and riding with her. She then emails Jiloty to move the documents to the trunk.
It would seem onerous to not be able to leave documents with the car in situations like that. I'm not saying that is what happened, but as far as we know...

[Uprising]

At least we know now that you didn't even bother to read the article; otherwise, you might have learned something:

A State Department official tells The Daily Caller that in some cases, burn bags can be used to dispose of information that is sensitive but unclassified.

Oh, the head stands.
You mean to say a Hillary shill at state says it's okay? [emoji38] Hell, I guess one could put a used coffee cup in a burn bag, too, but doubt Hillary's brain (Huma) would have been freaking out about it in email if that were the case..

Yay, team.

She testified that they would burn Clinton's daily schedules. How do you know it wasn't that?

[RiverguyVT]

At least we know now that you didn't even bother to read the article; otherwise, you might have learned something:

A State Department official tells The Daily Caller that in some cases, burn bags can be used to dispose of information that is sensitive but unclassified.

Oh, the head stands.
You mean to say a Hillary shill at state says it's okay? [emoji38] Hell, I guess one could put a used coffee cup in a burn bag, too, but doubt Hillary's brain (Huma) would have been freaking out about it in email if that were the case..

Yay, team.

She testified that they would burn Clinton's daily schedules. How do you know it wasn't that?

You raise a good point about TeamHillary completely ignoring protocols. Of course, burning schedules was to hide pay-to-play scheming. There's a difference between criminal behavior being covered, and sloppiness with classified materials. Not that TeamHillary cares...

[Uprising]

At least we know now that you didn't even bother to read the article; otherwise, you might have learned something:

A State Department official tells The Daily Caller that in some cases, burn bags can be used to dispose of information that is sensitive but unclassified.

Oh, the head stands.
You mean to say a Hillary shill at state says it's okay? [emoji38] Hell, I guess one could put a used coffee cup in a burn bag, too, but doubt Hillary's brain (Huma) would have been freaking out about it in email if that were the case..

Yay, team.

She testified that they would burn Clinton's daily schedules. How do you know it wasn't that?

You raise a good point about TeamHillary completely ignoring protocols. Of course, burning schedules was to hide pay-to-play scheming. There's a difference between criminal behavior being covered, and sloppiness with classified materials. Not that TeamHillary cares...

That is the same thing Bush did with his schedules.

[133743Hokie]

You're a freaking idiot. Having classified docs in a pocket in your car is a violation. Period. Stop. End of story.

That's interesting. How would a state department official travel with classified documents then?

You use a secure, locked pouch that you have to keep with your person, in your sight, and in your control at all times. If you need to stop at Starbucks for a cup of coffee you carry it in with you; you are not allowed to lock it in your trunk and just pop in real quick to get a to-go cup. That's not how handling of classified docs works.

[133743Hokie]

You're a freaking idiot. Having classified docs in a pocket in your car is a violation. Period. Stop. End of story.

That's interesting. How would a state department official travel with classified documents then?

Nobody wants to explain it to you because you've proven to be an ideologue incapable of processing any criticism of your team. How on earth are you having trouble comprehending that Clinton and her cronies have no regard for the rule of law? They think that stuff is for little people like you.

I'd like to understand. Let me lay out a scenario that I think is likely, and you tell me what law was broken:
Abedin is given a briefing in the morning as they head out of their hotel to meet with the ambassador. She reads the briefing in the back seat of the car she is traveling in (she's traveling as part of Secretary Clinton's motorcade). Upon arriving at the embassy, she puts the briefing in the front seat pocket and heads into the embassy. The cars are left attended by DSS agents and other state officials like Jiloty. While in the embassy, Abedin discovers that the ambassador will be leaving with them and riding with her. She then emails Jiloty to move the documents to the trunk.
It would seem onerous to not be able to leave documents with the car in situations like that. I'm not saying that is what happened, but as far as we know...

In your scenario she 1) would have never had loose classified documents outside a SCIF without them being in a secure package (pouch, double wrapped, whatever), 2) if she was going to violate the rules and have them out in the car she would have put them back in the pouch before exiting the car, and 3) she would have taken the pouch with her or left the pouch in the physical and visual control of someone else at the car with the appropriate level of clearance. Having them open in the car and leaving them open in the car while she was gone is a HUGE red flag.

[USN_Hokie]

You're a freaking idiot. Having classified docs in a pocket in your car is a violation. Period. Stop. End of story.

That's interesting. How would a state department official travel with classified documents then?

Nobody wants to explain it to you because you've proven to be an ideologue incapable of processing any criticism of your team. How on earth are you having trouble comprehending that Clinton and her cronies have no regard for the rule of law? They think that stuff is for little people like you.

I'd like to understand. Let me lay out a scenario that I think is likely, and you tell me what law was broken:
Abedin is given a briefing in the morning as they head out of their hotel to meet with the ambassador. She reads the briefing in the back seat of the car she is traveling in (she's traveling as part of Secretary Clinton's motorcade). Upon arriving at the embassy, she puts the briefing in the front seat pocket and heads into the embassy. The cars are left attended by DSS agents and other state officials like Jiloty. While in the embassy, Abedin discovers that the ambassador will be leaving with them and riding with her. She then emails Jiloty to move the documents to the trunk.
It would seem onerous to not be able to leave documents with the car in situations like that. I'm not saying that is what happened, but as far as we know...

Only non- inventoried classified documents ("working papers") go in burn bags. Only inventoried documents leave secure spaces (there's some caveats to that, but none relevant to the discussion). There is a very specific process for moving classified documents - I'm sure it could be slightly different for the State Dept vs. DoD, but if she had to tell someone to get them, they weren't in that person's custody.

I've had to investigate a "spill" (created by someone else) before. As we've seen with Snowden, Manning, etc., it's incredibly easy to conduct espionage with all the information out there, which is why there's very specific guidance which is taken very seriously.

[RiverguyVT]

Ah the inevitable "Bush did too!"