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awesome guy wrote:
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awesome guy wrote:You're full of crap. Go make a drunken ass of yourself of FB and twitter instead of here.
Going to make a AG post: "Uh huh"
That would be an improvement for you.
"Uh huh"
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nolanvt wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
awesome guy wrote:You're full of crap. Go make a drunken ass of yourself of FB and twitter instead of here.
Going to make a AG post: "Uh huh"
That would be an improvement for you.
"Uh huh"
See, already better. One day you'll be able to make a point rather than just troll with your mouth gapping.
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ip_law-hokie wrote: I believe in universal health care. I believe in whatever it takes to make people well and better.


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Bully for you, move to Russia or China ya commie as we're designed to be a free nation with private charity.
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Tuesday or Wednesday?
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Don't care, he laid out his new plan and universal health care is DOA with the Republican Congress.
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ip_law-hokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote: Bully for you, move to Russia or China ya commie as we're designed to be a free nation with private charity.
Those were all quotes from Donald Trump.


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Tuesday or Wednesday?
Made before he took you necks for a ride.


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Don't care, he laid out his new plan and universal health care is DOA with the Republican Congress.
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On health care he was 30 years ago.
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ip, these guys think Trump is all of a sudden is going to act in their best interests wrt abolishing Obamacare. He wouldn't touch that if he were somehow elected.
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nolanvt wrote:ip, these guys think Trump is all of a sudden is going to act in their best interests wrt abolishing Obamacare. He wouldn't touch that if he were somehow elected.
[emoji38] , like you know anything.
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ip_law-hokie wrote:
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Your way results in $600 epi pens.
Governments in Europe with single payer healthcare are not paying 600 for epipens.
Governments in Europe are facing a demographic collapse. They've created subsidies and entitlements on the backs of a childless working class which is starting to retire. Their solution to fix this is a.) letting old people die, and b.) importing inbred (literally) Syrians to become the next working class.

So, your socialist dream depends on killing old people and importing 'necks from the middle east. Good luck with that. Hopefully we realize what a train wreck Europe is before make finish the same mistake here.
Our government is already buying the epipens. They need to do so more economically. Your argument supports single payer, it doesn't refute it.

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Sorry, but not the governments business to buy epipens for people
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nolanvt wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
Hokie CPA wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
Hokie CPA wrote:$600 epipens are how pharmaceutical companies pay for the R&D which is necessary for bringing all these drugs to market in the first place. If government interferes by capping revenues, then no more R&D takes place and no more drugs come to market. The government has to be responsible for it, which means taxes go up.... and the work won't be anywhere NEAR as good as we get from private industry.

Bottom line is the more government gets involved in this, the more they fück it up. You want single payer? You're gonna get the very least bang for your buck. Good luck with that.
The results everywhere else in the world contradict your assertions. It's hilarious to watch you guys justify 600 epipens. Carry that water.

FYI - Mylan is primarily engaged in the sale of generic drugs. Most new drugs are developed only with the assistance of the very government you denigrate.




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If they could collect a fair price for the drugs in all those other countries it wouldn't cost $600 here. We pay more in order to subsidize socialized medicine everywhere else. If our government takes away the developers' ability to collect then the incentive to develop it in the first place disappears.
That's another way of saying that we are getting jobbed.


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We are getting jobbed. Canada and other countries steal U.S. drug companies' patents somewhat routinely.
Correct. And they go generic and undercut US companies, which contributes to why US companies have to charge what they do.
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133743Hokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
Hokie CPA wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
Hokie CPA wrote:$600 epipens are how pharmaceutical companies pay for the R&D which is necessary for bringing all these drugs to market in the first place. If government interferes by capping revenues, then no more R&D takes place and no more drugs come to market. The government has to be responsible for it, which means taxes go up.... and the work won't be anywhere NEAR as good as we get from private industry.

Bottom line is the more government gets involved in this, the more they fück it up. You want single payer? You're gonna get the very least bang for your buck. Good luck with that.
The results everywhere else in the world contradict your assertions. It's hilarious to watch you guys justify 600 epipens. Carry that water.

FYI - Mylan is primarily engaged in the sale of generic drugs. Most new drugs are developed only with the assistance of the very government you denigrate.




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If they could collect a fair price for the drugs in all those other countries it wouldn't cost $600 here. We pay more in order to subsidize socialized medicine everywhere else. If our government takes away the developers' ability to collect then the incentive to develop it in the first place disappears.
That's another way of saying that we are getting jobbed.


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We are getting jobbed. Canada and other countries steal U.S. drug companies' patents somewhat routinely.
Correct. And they go generic and undercut US companies, which contributes to why US companies have to charge what they do.
That's not true at all. They're negotiating a cutthroat rate using the scale of their Healthcare system. Us US citizens do end up funding the R&D, but it's not from IP thieft. That kind of stuff gets squashed fast in the first world.
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133743Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
Your way results in $600 epi pens.
Governments in Europe with single payer healthcare are not paying 600 for epipens.
Governments in Europe are facing a demographic collapse. They've created subsidies and entitlements on the backs of a childless working class which is starting to retire. Their solution to fix this is a.) letting old people die, and b.) importing inbred (literally) Syrians to become the next working class.

So, your socialist dream depends on killing old people and importing 'necks from the middle east. Good luck with that. Hopefully we realize what a train wreck Europe is before make finish the same mistake here.
Our government is already buying the epipens. They need to do so more economically. Your argument supports single payer, it doesn't refute it.

Single payer.


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Sorry, but not the governments business to buy epipens for people
That ship has sailed.


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133743Hokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
Hokie CPA wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
Hokie CPA wrote:$600 epipens are how pharmaceutical companies pay for the R&D which is necessary for bringing all these drugs to market in the first place. If government interferes by capping revenues, then no more R&D takes place and no more drugs come to market. The government has to be responsible for it, which means taxes go up.... and the work won't be anywhere NEAR as good as we get from private industry.

Bottom line is the more government gets involved in this, the more they fück it up. You want single payer? You're gonna get the very least bang for your buck. Good luck with that.
The results everywhere else in the world contradict your assertions. It's hilarious to watch you guys justify 600 epipens. Carry that water.

FYI - Mylan is primarily engaged in the sale of generic drugs. Most new drugs are developed only with the assistance of the very government you denigrate.




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If they could collect a fair price for the drugs in all those other countries it wouldn't cost $600 here. We pay more in order to subsidize socialized medicine everywhere else. If our government takes away the developers' ability to collect then the incentive to develop it in the first place disappears.
That's another way of saying that we are getting jobbed.


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We are getting jobbed. Canada and other countries steal U.S. drug companies' patents somewhat routinely.
Correct. And they go generic and undercut US companies, which contributes to why US companies have to charge what they do.
Not following. All drugs go generic according to a very elaborate statutory scheme.


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Bottom line is we (US Americans) pay for the R&D incurred to create and manufacture these drugs and the socialized healthcare countries do not. We (the American healthcare consumer) are, as Nolan correctly stated, getting jobbed.
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Rx prices in the US are obscene. Rx should be able to be imported from Canada where drugs are easily available for a fraction of the price that Americans pay. Lobbyists from big Pharma buy of both big parties in order to screw Americans. It's a shame.
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ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
Major Kong wrote:2 EpiPens for my grandnephew.

The price has gone up to $600 with her insurance...last year it was $100 :!: :o

Damn it's Epinephrine and an auto-injector together the cost per unit is somewhere around 3¢. That is some serious profit right there folks.

I payed for the pens.
Mylan wants to squeeze all it can out of the product while it can. Profit first.


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USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
Major Kong wrote:2 EpiPens for my grandnephew.

The price has gone up to $600 with her insurance...last year it was $100 :!: :o

Damn it's Epinephrine and an auto-injector together the cost per unit is somewhere around 3¢. That is some serious profit right there folks.

I payed for the pens.
Mylan wants to squeeze all it can out of the product while it can. Profit first.


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Getting your news from Slate is no way to go through life, son. Is this one of your posts where you stop pretending to be anything other than a hardcore liberal?
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Your way results in $600 epi pens.
Yep.
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Mcl3 Hokie wrote:You might know that the tax system in these European countries you want to hold up with wonderful single payer health systems do not have 47% of all filers paying zero taxes. Matter of fact, with VAT, they are some of the least progressive tax countries. They tip the scale as very regressive tax systems.
Not only that, our military spending commitments have subsidized their busted welfare states. On top of how we subsidize their medicine.
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Major Kong wrote:2 EpiPens for my grandnephew.

The price has gone up to $600 with her insurance...last year it was $100 :!: :o

Damn it's Epinephrine and an auto-injector together the cost per unit is somewhere around 3¢. That is some serious profit right there folks.

I payed for the pens.
Article in today's RT-D re epipens. Said price for a two pack has risen from $95 nine years ago to about $500. Is Mylan the only company that makes them, as I assume it's a small market relatively speaking?
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awesome guy wrote:That's not true at all. They're negotiating a cutthroat rate using the scale of their Healthcare system. Us US citizens do end up funding the R&D, but it's not from IP thieft. That kind of stuff gets squashed fast in the first world.
They "negotiate" in the same way that democrats believe in "competition".

To democrats, competition means companies competing for government $$$ and favors.

When drug companies "negotiate" with foreign countries, it means that the foreign country says "sell us your drug for $cheap or else we invalidate your patent and make it ourselves".
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Saw an article about this today ... Congress is investigating ... http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/24/politics/ ... -response/

Interesting that Manchin's daughter is the Mylan CEO.
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BigDave wrote:
awesome guy wrote:That's not true at all. They're negotiating a cutthroat rate using the scale of their Healthcare system. Us US citizens do end up funding the R&D, but it's not from IP thieft. That kind of stuff gets squashed fast in the first world.
They "negotiate" in the same way that democrats believe in "competition".

To democrats, competition means companies competing for government $$$ and favors.

When drug companies "negotiate" with foreign countries, it means that the foreign country says "sell us your drug for $cheap or else we invalidate your patent and make it ourselves".

Can't do that in the first world. I think the flavor you're painting is right of them being strongarmed into accepting the rates is close, but they can't invalidate a patent like that. They have other ways of forcing acceptance of the rate, like tax breaks and compliance issues.
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BigDave wrote:
awesome guy wrote:That's not true at all. They're negotiating a cutthroat rate using the scale of their Healthcare system. Us US citizens do end up funding the R&D, but it's not from IP thieft. That kind of stuff gets squashed fast in the first world.
They "negotiate" in the same way that democrats believe in "competition".

To democrats, competition means companies competing for government $$$ and favors.

When drug companies "negotiate" with foreign countries, it means that the foreign country says "sell us your drug for $cheap or else we invalidate your patent and make it ourselves".
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133743Hokie wrote:Article in today's RT-D re epipens. Said price for a two pack has risen from $95 nine years ago to about $500. Is Mylan the only company that makes them, as I assume it's a small market relatively speaking?
The delivery mechanism is patented, I think. Epipens have been available for a long time and their original patent is long-since expired. But they keep innovating changes to the delivery mechanism and I'm assuming that they lobby/convince the FDA to require their new delivery mechanism and that's how competitors can't arise.
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ip_law-hokie wrote:
BigDave wrote:
awesome guy wrote:That's not true at all. They're negotiating a cutthroat rate using the scale of their Healthcare system. Us US citizens do end up funding the R&D, but it's not from IP thieft. That kind of stuff gets squashed fast in the first world.
They "negotiate" in the same way that democrats believe in "competition".

To democrats, competition means companies competing for government $$$ and favors.

When drug companies "negotiate" with foreign countries, it means that the foreign country says "sell us your drug for $cheap or else we invalidate your patent and make it ourselves".
link?
Google "compulsory licensing"
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BigDave wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
BigDave wrote:
awesome guy wrote:That's not true at all. They're negotiating a cutthroat rate using the scale of their Healthcare system. Us US citizens do end up funding the R&D, but it's not from IP thieft. That kind of stuff gets squashed fast in the first world.
They "negotiate" in the same way that democrats believe in "competition".

To democrats, competition means companies competing for government $$$ and favors.

When drug companies "negotiate" with foreign countries, it means that the foreign country says "sell us your drug for $cheap or else we invalidate your patent and make it ourselves".
link?
Google "compulsory licensing"
What you say is not true.
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