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Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
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"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
What I get sick of are people who say they are "fiscally conservative but socially liberal." That just means they want all of the liberal social big government programs but don't want to pay for them.
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/index.s ... tives.html
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oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
That was the home field of pseudo intellectuals before they invented/popularized libertarianism.UpstateSCHokie wrote:What I get sick of are people who say they are "fiscally conservative but socially liberal." That just means they want all of the liberal social big government programs but don't want to pay for them.
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/index.s ... tives.html
oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
Not true - it's how I describe myself. To me it means fiscal conservatism and staying out of the private business of citizens.
UpstateSCHokie wrote:What I get sick of are people who say they are "fiscally conservative but socially liberal." That just means they want all of the liberal social big government programs but don't want to pay for them.
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/index.s ... tives.html
oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
It bothers me MUCH more when an alleged conservative says he/she is fiscally conservative but isn't.
oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
Florida Hokie wrote:Not true - it's how I describe myself. To me it means fiscal conservatism and staying out of the private business of citizens.
UpstateSCHokie wrote:What I get sick of are people who say they are "fiscally conservative but socially liberal." That just means they want all of the liberal social big government programs but don't want to pay for them.
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/index.s ... tives.html
oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
You can say that all you want (and I believe you)....but (for example) a politician who doesn't support an expansion of gov't cognizance over our everyday lives is called a bigot.
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
If we are limiting the discussion to politicians then you could name anyone and they'd be a fibbing snake.
USN_Hokie wrote:Florida Hokie wrote:Not true - it's how I describe myself. To me it means fiscal conservatism and staying out of the private business of citizens.
UpstateSCHokie wrote:What I get sick of are people who say they are "fiscally conservative but socially liberal." That just means they want all of the liberal social big government programs but don't want to pay for them.
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/index.s ... tives.html
oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
You can say that all you want (and I believe you)....but (for example) a politician who doesn't support an expansion of gov't cognizance over our everyday lives is called a bigot.
Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
That's a distinction without a difference when people base their voting decision off of campaign ads and the media. Perception is reality.
Florida Hokie wrote:If we are limiting the discussion to politicians then you could name anyone and they'd be a fibbing snake.USN_Hokie wrote:Florida Hokie wrote:Not true - it's how I describe myself. To me it means fiscal conservatism and staying out of the private business of citizens.
UpstateSCHokie wrote:What I get sick of are people who say they are "fiscally conservative but socially liberal." That just means they want all of the liberal social big government programs but don't want to pay for them.
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/index.s ... tives.html
oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
You can say that all you want (and I believe you)....but (for example) a politician who doesn't support an expansion of gov't cognizance over our everyday lives is called a bigot.
Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
Oak, there are a lot of voters who hold those views - being fiscally conservative while being socially liberal. Since the two primary political parties have taken the stances they have, voters who have strong beliefs on the two are unfortunately forced to choose one over the other. There are a bloc of such voters who don't like some of the GOP's social stances, but vote for Democrats although they would prefer lower taxes and spending.oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
Good article. Like saying, "I want Virginia tech to win. But I don't want Miami to lose."
Um, pick one.
And the libs who say this have picked one. They're big social libs, and well, probably, maybe it might be nice if possibly, it might be ok if we could maybe control spending.
Just a little bit. Maybe.
Um, pick one.
And the libs who say this have picked one. They're big social libs, and well, probably, maybe it might be nice if possibly, it might be ok if we could maybe control spending.
Just a little bit. Maybe.
UpstateSCHokie wrote:What I get sick of are people who say they are "fiscally conservative but socially liberal." That just means they want all of the liberal social big government programs but don't want to pay for them.
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/index.s ... tives.html
oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
the fact that you always fall back to football analogies when discussing politics is very telling.oaktonhokie wrote:Good article. Like saying, "I want Virginia tech to win. But I don't want Miami to lose."
Um, pick one.
And the libs who say this have picked one. They're big social libs, and well, probably, maybe it might be nice if possibly, it might be ok if we could maybe control spending.
Just a little bit. Maybe.
UpstateSCHokie wrote:What I get sick of are people who say they are "fiscally conservative but socially liberal." That just means they want all of the liberal social big government programs but don't want to pay for them.
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/index.s ... tives.html
oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
LOL.UpstateSCHokie wrote:What I get sick of are people who say they are "fiscally conservative but socially liberal." That just means they want all of the liberal social big government programs but don't want to pay for them.
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/index.s ... tives.html
oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
Really? I ALWAYS fall back on football analogies...... Really?
It's very telling...
Huh?
What does it tell?
It's very telling...
Huh?
What does it tell?
HvilleHokie wrote:the fact that you always fall back to football analogies when discussing politics is very telling.oaktonhokie wrote:Good article. Like saying, "I want Virginia tech to win. But I don't want Miami to lose."
Um, pick one.
And the libs who say this have picked one. They're big social libs, and well, probably, maybe it might be nice if possibly, it might be ok if we could maybe control spending.
Just a little bit. Maybe.
UpstateSCHokie wrote:What I get sick of are people who say they are "fiscally conservative but socially liberal." That just means they want all of the liberal social big government programs but don't want to pay for them.
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/index.s ... tives.html
oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
oaktonhokie wrote:Really? I ALWAYS fall back on football analogies...... Really?
It's very telling...
Huh?
What does it tell?
HvilleHokie wrote:the fact that you always fall back to football analogies when discussing politics is very telling.oaktonhokie wrote:Good article. Like saying, "I want Virginia tech to win. But I don't want Miami to lose."
Um, pick one.
And the libs who say this have picked one. They're big social libs, and well, probably, maybe it might be nice if possibly, it might be ok if we could maybe control spending.
Just a little bit. Maybe.
UpstateSCHokie wrote:What I get sick of are people who say they are "fiscally conservative but socially liberal." That just means they want all of the liberal social big government programs but don't want to pay for them.
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/index.s ... tives.html
oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
it says that you view politics as a game. us versus them.
it shouldn't be that way. the fact that so many view it this way is not good for the country.
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
Sounds like a jerk I know that likes to claim the Fox News team is uniformed, unlike the NYT team that told everyone they could keep their health insurance if they liked it.HvilleHokie wrote:it says that you view politics as a game. us versus them.
it shouldn't be that way. the fact that so many view it this way is not good for the country.
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
awesome guy wrote:Sounds like a jerk I know that likes to claim the Fox News team is uniformed, unlike the NYT team that told everyone they could keep their health insurance if they liked it.HvilleHokie wrote:it says that you view politics as a game. us versus them.
it shouldn't be that way. the fact that so many view it this way is not good for the country.
i don't know who you are talking about. but being informed about both sides does not mean that i am a political "team-ster"
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
That's very sweet. Maybe our president and Romney should have worked together for our nation, instead of working against each other.
Co-presidents, yeah, that's it.
The Rs do this all the time. Have the libs ever been partisan, combative, or confrontational?
Opposition parties are not nice.
How about a monarchy....which is what themarxistts would like?
Work for you, everyone on the same team?
That's sweet.
Co-presidents, yeah, that's it.
The Rs do this all the time. Have the libs ever been partisan, combative, or confrontational?
Opposition parties are not nice.
How about a monarchy....which is what themarxistts would like?
Work for you, everyone on the same team?
That's sweet.
HvilleHokie wrote:awesome guy wrote:Sounds like a jerk I know that likes to claim the Fox News team is uniformed, unlike the NYT team that told everyone they could keep their health insurance if they liked it.HvilleHokie wrote:it says that you view politics as a game. us versus them.
it shouldn't be that way. the fact that so many view it this way is not good for the country.
i don't know who you are talking about. but being informed about both sides does not mean that i am a political "team-ster"
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
Spouting off the DailyKos narrative of the GOP doesn't make you informed.HvilleHokie wrote:awesome guy wrote:Sounds like a jerk I know that likes to claim the Fox News team is uniformed, unlike the NYT team that told everyone they could keep their health insurance if they liked it.HvilleHokie wrote:it says that you view politics as a game. us versus them.
it shouldn't be that way. the fact that so many view it this way is not good for the country.
i don't know who you are talking about. but being informed about both sides does not mean that i am a political "team-ster"
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
i don't even know what you are talking about. i haven't quoted any dailykos narrative.awesome guy wrote:Spouting off the DailyKos narrative of the GOP doesn't make you informed.HvilleHokie wrote:awesome guy wrote:Sounds like a jerk I know that likes to claim the Fox News team is uniformed, unlike the NYT team that told everyone they could keep their health insurance if they liked it.HvilleHokie wrote:it says that you view politics as a game. us versus them.
it shouldn't be that way. the fact that so many view it this way is not good for the country.
i don't know who you are talking about. but being informed about both sides does not mean that i am a political "team-ster"
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
LOL, suuuuure.HvilleHokie wrote:i don't even know what you are talking about. i haven't quoted any dailykos narrative.awesome guy wrote:Spouting off the DailyKos narrative of the GOP doesn't make you informed.HvilleHokie wrote:awesome guy wrote:Sounds like a jerk I know that likes to claim the Fox News team is uniformed, unlike the NYT team that told everyone they could keep their health insurance if they liked it.HvilleHokie wrote:it says that you view politics as a game. us versus them.
it shouldn't be that way. the fact that so many view it this way is not good for the country.
i don't know who you are talking about. but being informed about both sides does not mean that i am a political "team-ster"
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
It would help if most republican politicians actually wanted low taxes and low spending.
nolanvt wrote:Oak, there are a lot of voters who hold those views - being fiscally conservative while being socially liberal. Since the two primary political parties have taken the stances they have, voters who have strong beliefs on the two are unfortunately forced to choose one over the other. There are a bloc of such voters who don't like some of the GOP's social stances, but vote for Democrats although they would prefer lower taxes and spending.oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
This is true. For those that fall in the "fiscally conservative/socially liberal" demographic, it's easier to vote for Democrats when their Republican counterparts have a documented history of increasing spending, too.Marine Hokie wrote:It would help if most republican politicians actually wanted low taxes and low spending.
nolanvt wrote:Oak, there are a lot of voters who hold those views - being fiscally conservative while being socially liberal. Since the two primary political parties have taken the stances they have, voters who have strong beliefs on the two are unfortunately forced to choose one over the other. There are a bloc of such voters who don't like some of the GOP's social stances, but vote for Democrats although they would prefer lower taxes and spending.oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
I'm sure there are some. But most seem to be libs who don't want to admit they're libs. Free thinking, sophisticated independents.
Or they're libs who think duh, we're spending and borrowing too much.
Or they're libs who think, duh, $17,000,000,000,000 in debt is too much.
Or libs who don't want THEIR taxes raised.
But most....most not all, are willing to suffer with the things they're against, in order to get social justice, open borders, UN policies like agenda 21, socialized medicine, gay marriage, more regulation, gun bans, unions and pc schools.
It's like we've said before re our president. Some from the left will criticize some of his policies. He's not god, he's like a demi-god. Brilliant but occasionally fallible.
So they criticize him but would never abandon him.
The social libs / fiscal cons are kinda like that. Most of them.
Or they're libs who think duh, we're spending and borrowing too much.
Or they're libs who think, duh, $17,000,000,000,000 in debt is too much.
Or libs who don't want THEIR taxes raised.
But most....most not all, are willing to suffer with the things they're against, in order to get social justice, open borders, UN policies like agenda 21, socialized medicine, gay marriage, more regulation, gun bans, unions and pc schools.
It's like we've said before re our president. Some from the left will criticize some of his policies. He's not god, he's like a demi-god. Brilliant but occasionally fallible.
So they criticize him but would never abandon him.
The social libs / fiscal cons are kinda like that. Most of them.
Marine Hokie wrote:It would help if most republican politicians actually wanted low taxes and low spending.
nolanvt wrote:Oak, there are a lot of voters who hold those views - being fiscally conservative while being socially liberal. Since the two primary political parties have taken the stances they have, voters who have strong beliefs on the two are unfortunately forced to choose one over the other. There are a bloc of such voters who don't like some of the GOP's social stances, but vote for Democrats although they would prefer lower taxes and spending.oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
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Re: Another lib says he's a fiscal conservative.
oaktonhokie wrote:I'm sure there are some. But most seem to be libs who don't want to admit they're libs. Free thinking, sophisticated independents.
Or they're libs who think duh, we're spending and borrowing too much.
Or they're libs who think, duh, $17,000,000,000,000 in debt is too much.
Or libs who don't want THEIR taxes raised.
But most....most not all, are willing to suffer with the things they're against, in order to get social justice, open borders, UN policies like agenda 21, socialized medicine, gay marriage, more regulation, gun bans, unions and pc schools.
It's like we've said before re our president. Some from the left will criticize some of his policies. He's not god, he's like a demi-god. Brilliant but occasionally fallible.
So they criticize him but would never abandon him.
The social libs / fiscal cons are kinda like that. Most of them.
Marine Hokie wrote:It would help if most republican politicians actually wanted low taxes and low spending.
nolanvt wrote:Oak, there are a lot of voters who hold those views - being fiscally conservative while being socially liberal. Since the two primary political parties have taken the stances they have, voters who have strong beliefs on the two are unfortunately forced to choose one over the other. There are a bloc of such voters who don't like some of the GOP's social stances, but vote for Democrats although they would prefer lower taxes and spending.oaktonhokie wrote:This is getting old.
"I'm fiscally conservative, but I vote for Marxistts because they support gay marriage. And high taxes, and wasteful spending, stimulus packages, and trillion dollar deficits, and corrupt crony capitalism....."
Sick of libs wearing the fig leaf of "fiscal conservatism" to make people including themselves, think they are thoughtful, intelligent, non ideological patriots.
Yeah, right.
Liar.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08 ... cal-views/
I have them pegged as Gingrich Progressives, those that think they can make a smarter and more efficient federal bureaucracy. They get confused as conservatives because they're for shrinking the federal government, but really just the waste out of it. Not really closing the fruitless intrusions all together.
Unvaccinated,. mask free, and still alive.