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Fox did it right. Nice job. I like cavuto.

It was Fiorina and a bunch of guys named joe.

She was great.
I guess Rubio was too, but there is something about him I don't like, not sure I trust him.

Kasich is an establishment moderate. No.
Rand paul, no.

Trump is growing tiresome, that I can tell you.
Carson, sorry doc.

Jebbush did ok. For him.
Cruz is still my favorite but was nothing special today. Seemed to have some pre planned punch lines that didn't work.

Fiorina took on socialism, wants a three page tax thing and a zero based budget. She was outstanding on foreign policy. Pleasant surprise.

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Fox analyist said carson was the best.

What?

Anyone else think so?


oaktonhokie wrote:Fox did it right. Nice job. I like cavuto.

It was Fiorina and a bunch of guys named joe.

She was great.
I guess Rubio was too, but there is something about him I don't like, not sure I trust him.

Kasich is an establishment moderate. No.
Rand paul, no.

Trump is growing tiresome, that I can tell you.
Carson, sorry doc.

Jebbush did ok. For him.
Cruz is still my favorite but was nothing special today. Seemed to have some pre planned punch lines that didn't work.

Fiorina took on socialism, wants a three page tax thing and a zero based budget. She was outstanding on foreign policy. Pleasant surprise.

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Absolutely not, although he did show depth that was surprising. They also raved about Rubio. I didn't see it.

Paul and Fiorina are my top two.

Kasich is awful, and Bush is not much better. Cruz looked tense.
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I wanted to like randpaul. Having trouble. He's too much of an isolationist. Not as nuts as his old man. But no.

I love Fiorina's line about meeting putin. After Donny trumpet said he met putting in the green room prior to a tv interview, Fiorina said that she met him too, but not in a green room, in a private meeting.

She was great.

WestEndHokie39 wrote:Absolutely not, although he did show depth that was surprising. They also raved about Rubio. I didn't see it.

Paul and Fiorina are my top two.

Kasich is awful, and Bush is not much better. Cruz looked tense.
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oaktonhokie wrote:I wanted to like randpaul. Having trouble. He's too much of an isolationist. Not as nuts as his old man. But no.

I love Fiorina's line about meeting putin. After Donny trumpet said he met putting in the green room prior to a tv interview, Fiorina said that she met him too, but not in a green room, in a private meeting.

She was great.

WestEndHokie39 wrote:Absolutely not, although he did show depth that was surprising. They also raved about Rubio. I didn't see it.

Paul and Fiorina are my top two.

Kasich is awful, and Bush is not much better. Cruz looked tense.
Paul comes off as a douchebag. He also presents as country clubber, trying to get in a couple words before heading to the tennis court. And his foreign policy is a disaster. He's not presidential in the slightest.
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No offense, but I am glad the extreme right wingers don't like Paul. He is a true financial conservative and doesn't use fear to manipulate voters into fiscal madness.

The military doesn't need another trillion dollars. They need to have their missions reduced and more focused. Taxpayers should not be paying for the weapons the military doesn't want. They need to be treated as a military force and not a social experiment.
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WestEndHokie39 wrote:No offense, but I am glad the extreme right wingers don't like Paul. He is a true financial conservative and doesn't use fear to manipulate voters into fiscal madness.

The military doesn't need another trillion dollars. They need to have their missions reduced and more focused. Taxpayers should not be paying for the weapons the military doesn't want. They need to be treated as a military force and not a social experiment.

Paul treats them as a condom in Rose O'Donnell's house. They just wont be used and history has proven isolationism a loser. His talks on the fed are certainly fear tactics. You can like him, but he's certainly not on that stage from his merit. He's riding Daddy's coattails.
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Finally got home....missed the whole thing...Mrs Bay_area recorded it though so maybe I will watch it tomorrow.

Visited Austin TX for work. First time I had ever been there. Looks exactly like Arlington Va. Not kidding. Expected it to be a lot more brown, but it is as green as Virginny, and hilly with a river....like I said, Arlington. Good night folks.


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Bay_area_Hokie wrote:Finally got home....missed the whole thing...Mrs Bay_area recorded it though so maybe I will watch it tomorrow.

Visited Austin TX for work. First time I had ever been there. Looks exactly like Arlington Va. Not kidding. Expected it to be a lot more brown, but it is as green as Virginny, and hilly with a river....like I said, Arlington. Good night folks.


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The terrain of Austin always reminded me more of California than the east coast. Maybe you were in an irrigated area - I find it to be kind of brown and hilly.

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I didn't watch it at all.
It would be nice to see them trim down the field yet again -dump Bush.
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Jebbush has too much money.

They can dump Kasich and paul. Maybe bring the fat guy from joisey back.


RiverguyVT wrote:I didn't watch it at all.
It would be nice to see them trim down the field yet again -dump Bush.
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I thought Paul had his best night when he totally body slammed trump. Trump sounded like a complete A-hole with his comment to Kasich. I'm still amazed this guy is in this.

I thought Rubio and Paul did the best. Next level down: Bush, Cruz, and Fiorina. I don't think any 3 of these did anything grand to distinguish themselves though.

I thought Kasich was too aggressive last night. Came off as a bit of an a-hole. Which is too bad because I think he's one of the three people up there that could actually win a general election. Those being Kasich, Bush, and Rubio. I think Christy could do well if he can just hold on and wait for people to drop out.

There are too many people that have 0 chance to win a general up there. I know the republican base is all excited and angry, but it doesn't help you if those people never see office.
oaktonhokie wrote:Jebbush has too much money.

They can dump Kasich and paul. Maybe bring the fat guy from joisey back.


RiverguyVT wrote:I didn't watch it at all.
It would be nice to see them trim down the field yet again -dump Bush.
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WestEndHokie39 wrote:No offense, but I am glad the extreme right wingers don't like Paul. He is a true financial conservative and doesn't use fear to manipulate voters into fiscal madness.

The military doesn't need another trillion dollars. They need to have their missions reduced and more focused. Taxpayers should not be paying for the weapons the military doesn't want. They need to be treated as a military force and not a social experiment.
I agree with all of this I think.
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Your sentiments when spoken by an R, are the reasons i am no longer in the party.

We have to appeal to moderates....do democrats appeal to moderates. Bernie sanders is an admitted socialist. Fat hillary is a lying socialist.

We can't risk offending the independents. Is that a big concern on the left?

Republicans have to reach across the aisle. Like obama has done?

Please...



ElbertoHokie wrote:I thought Paul had his best night when he totally body slammed trump. Trump sounded like a complete A-hole with his comment to Kasich. I'm still amazed this guy is in this.

I thought Rubio and Paul did the best. Next level down: Bush, Cruz, and Fiorina. I don't think any 3 of these did anything grand to distinguish themselves though.

I thought Kasich was too aggressive last night. Came off as a bit of an a-hole. Which is too bad because I think he's one of the three people up there that could actually win a general election. Those being Kasich, Bush, and Rubio. I think Christy could do well if he can just hold on and wait for people to drop out.

There are too many people that have 0 chance to win a general up there. I know the republican base is all excited and angry, but it doesn't help you if those people never see office.
oaktonhokie wrote:Jebbush has too much money.

They can dump Kasich and paul. Maybe bring the fat guy from joisey back.


RiverguyVT wrote:I didn't watch it at all.
It would be nice to see them trim down the field yet again -dump Bush.
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In his first election, Obama ran against George W essentially. It was a slamdunk when you combined Iraq and the financial crisis. It would have been extremely difficult for any R to win that race.

The second election, Republicans scuttled their chances with Mitt when they dragged him through the far right mud to get the nomination. That turns the people in the middle off.

There are so few challengers to Hilary that she can mostly stay above the fray. Bernie Sanders is not electable either. Hilary is. If the republicans throw a far right candidate out there, they're going to lose. This is their election to lose. They are following an 8 year democratic president and history says that typically, the presidency will go to the opposite party. I think it would be a big gamble and not smart for them to run somebody on the fringes because they're angry. Win the election, and if you have both houses of congress, you can bring in your one big sweeping reform. And then lose congress two years later ;) .
oaktonhokie wrote:Your sentiments when spoken by an R, are the reasons i am no longer in the party.

We have to appeal to moderates....do democrats appeal to moderates. Bernie sanders is an admitted socialist. Fat hillary is a lying socialist.

We can't risk offending the independents. Is that a big concern on the left?

Republicans have to reach across the aisle. Like obama has done?

Please...
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I don't know folks...I truly don't.

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Again, your thinking pervades the R party. We can't send a CONSERVATIVE out there. My goodness, the independents won't like it.

All the while, the democrats are running socialists, maarxists crooks and idiots. People who are corrupt, dishonest, and anti american.

But don't run a conservative, the indies won't like it.

The Rs just took the governor's house in kentucky. First time in a million years (i was surprised) he is allegedly a tea party guy. Anathema to all the media, indies and intellectuals out there. And no, kentucky is not nyc or chicago. But kentucky is not that different from upstate new york and down state illinois. And colorado, and NC and virginia and pennsylvania and ohio ....

Thinking like you just expressed brought us bob dole, john mccain and mitt romney. I like romney but he obviously got advise from his establishment republican geniuses NOT TO push obama on bengazhi. Candy crowley may have been one of his advisors. He had an ace and refused to play it. Don't offend the indies.

How about CONVINCE the indies?
How about tell the precious independents what you stand for and why you are better than fat hillary?
How about tell the truth and nothing but the truth about fat hillary? That's not nice. In columbia, missouri, call 9-1-1.
How about explain why generations of democrat rule in chicago, baltimore, oakland, detroit, newark, ...... has given us, chicago, baltimore, oakland, detroit and newark?

Republicans need to grow a pair, purchase a spine, and borrow courage from the lion in the wizard of oz. THAT is their problem. They don't have the courage of their convictions. It's easier to get re elected to the house or senate if you are a moderate like john mccain who is beloved by the media for reaching across the aisle and doing the work of the american people.

Has the maarxist reached across the aisle? Nancy pelosi? The loathsome harry reid? I know obama has said he has. He lied. Duh. Has he ever, really made an attempt to work with the Rs? The open debates on obamacare on cspan. Remember those?

All compromises must be made by the republicans. To win, they must be more like the democrats. Ask president dole and president mccain.

You should work for rinse pubis.


ElbertoHokie wrote:In his first election, Obama ran against George W essentially. It was a slamdunk when you combined Iraq and the financial crisis. It would have been extremely difficult for any R to win that race.

The second election, Republicans scuttled their chances with Mitt when they dragged him through the far right mud to get the nomination. That turns the people in the middle off.

There are so few challengers to Hilary that she can mostly stay above the fray. Bernie Sanders is not electable either. Hilary is. If the republicans throw a far right candidate out there, they're going to lose. This is their election to lose. They are following an 8 year democratic president and history says that typically, the presidency will go to the opposite party. I think it would be a big gamble and not smart for them to run somebody on the fringes because they're angry. Win the election, and if you have both houses of congress, you can bring in your one big sweeping reform. And then lose congress two years later ;) .
oaktonhokie wrote:Your sentiments when spoken by an R, are the reasons i am no longer in the party.

We have to appeal to moderates....do democrats appeal to moderates. Bernie sanders is an admitted socialist. Fat hillary is a lying socialist.

We can't risk offending the independents. Is that a big concern on the left?

Republicans have to reach across the aisle. Like obama has done?

Please...
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Quite the diatribe.

If the dems ran Bernie Sanders they'd lose too. It goes both ways. You may hate it, but Obama also appealed to the moderates. Bernie Sanders is the democratic mirror for Ted Cruz. I think true bleeding heart people from Vermont want that. But I think they're smart enough to realize that he can't get elected in a general. That's compromise for them.

Your version and vision of events and how they should unfold is the Conservative version of Bernie Sanders. He won't get elected and neither will Ted Cruz. The swing states won't go for the crazies.
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ElbertoHokie wrote:Quite the diatribe.

If the dems ran Bernie Sanders they'd lose too. It goes both ways. You may hate it, but Obama also appealed to the moderates. Bernie Sanders is the democratic mirror for Ted Cruz. I think true bleeding heart people from Vermont want that. But I think they're smart enough to realize that he can't get elected in a general. That's compromise for them.

Your version and vision of events and how they should unfold is the Conservative version of Bernie Sanders. He won't get elected and neither will Ted Cruz. The swing states won't go for the crazies.
Romney won the "moderates". Obama turned out his base of blacks and communists.
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ElbertoHokie wrote:The second election, Republicans scuttled their chances with Mitt when they dragged him through the far right mud to get the nomination. That turns the people in the middle off.
I hear this stupid explanation all the time. Do the democrats ever move to the left in their primaries? I seem to recall Hillary trying to position herself to the left of Bernie Sanders before the debate. Did that turn off the precious moderates or does she get a pass because she's a D?
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I think she does. But because she only has Bernie to run against, she really doesn't need to. She's the only viable candidate they have right now. If Biden had entered the race, that would have shaken that up.
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ElbertoHokie wrote:The second election, Republicans scuttled their chances with Mitt when they dragged him through the far right mud to get the nomination. That turns the people in the middle off.
I hear this stupid explanation all the time. Do the democrats ever move to the left in their primaries? I seem to recall Hillary trying to position herself to the left of Bernie Sanders before the debate. Did that turn off the precious moderates or does she get a pass because she's a D?
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