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Florida Hokie wrote:http://www.cut50.org/

This is a truly bi-partisan effort led by Newt Gingrich and Van Jones. I've learned quite a bit about it lately and fully support what they are doing. In short, they want to reform the criminal justice system and reduce our incarcerated population by 50 percent over the next 10 years.

I encourage you to check out the information provided. How does UWS feel about this effort?

Hokie CPA wrote:Our prisons have far too many non-violent offenders in them. Anyone who has served more than, I dunno... let's say, 18 months for a non-violent offense should probably be let go. Let's keep prisons for murderers and rapists... possession of a few grams of cocaine shouldn't get you a life sentence just because it's a 'third strike.'

CWHOKIECPA wrote:

Hokie CPA wrote:Our prisons have far too many non-violent offenders in them. Anyone who has served more than, I dunno... let's say, 18 months for a non-violent offense should probably be let go. Let's keep prisons for murderers and rapists... possession of a few grams of cocaine shouldn't get you a life sentence just because it's a 'third strike.'

And crack cocaine, a form of Coke that is less pure shouldn't get you more time than the pure cocaine.

Florida Hokie wrote:http://www.cut50.org/

This is a truly bi-partisan effort led by Newt Gingrich and Van Jones. I've learned quite a bit about it lately and fully support what they are doing. In short, they want to reform the criminal justice system and reduce our incarcerated population by 50 percent over the next 10 years.

I encourage you to check out the information provided. How does UWS feel about this effort?

cwtcr hokie wrote:

CWHOKIECPA wrote:

Hokie CPA wrote:Our prisons have far too many non-violent offenders in them. Anyone who has served more than, I dunno... let's say, 18 months for a non-violent offense should probably be let go. Let's keep prisons for murderers and rapists... possession of a few grams of cocaine shouldn't get you a life sentence just because it's a 'third strike.'

And crack cocaine, a form of Coke that is less pure shouldn't get you more time than the pure cocaine.

how about the idea of not breaking the laws as they are written??? anybody for more personal responsibility? anybody? bueller???

cwtcr hokie wrote:

CWHOKIECPA wrote:

Hokie CPA wrote:Our prisons have far too many non-violent offenders in them. Anyone who has served more than, I dunno... let's say, 18 months for a non-violent offense should probably be let go. Let's keep prisons for murderers and rapists... possession of a few grams of cocaine shouldn't get you a life sentence just because it's a 'third strike.'

And crack cocaine, a form of Coke that is less pure shouldn't get you more time than the pure cocaine.

how about the idea of not breaking the laws as they are written??? anybody for more personal responsibility? anybody? bueller???

cwtcr hokie wrote:

CWHOKIECPA wrote:

Hokie CPA wrote:Our prisons have far too many non-violent offenders in them. Anyone who has served more than, I dunno... let's say, 18 months for a non-violent offense should probably be let go. Let's keep prisons for murderers and rapists... possession of a few grams of cocaine shouldn't get you a life sentence just because it's a 'third strike.'

And crack cocaine, a form of Coke that is less pure shouldn't get you more time than the pure cocaine.

how about the idea of not breaking the laws as they are written??? anybody for more personal responsibility? anybody? bueller???

Attila T Hun wrote:LOL...Let the criminals run wild..What a liberal idea....And don't forget to give them a lot of free excrement.

CWHOKIECPA wrote:

Florida Hokie wrote:http://www.cut50.org/

This is a truly bi-partisan effort led by Newt Gingrich and Van Jones. I've learned quite a bit about it lately and fully support what they are doing. In short, they want to reform the criminal justice system and reduce our incarcerated population by 50 percent over the next 10 years.

I encourage you to check out the information provided. How does UWS feel about this effort?

I believe we have a higher prison population per capita than China. That is an abomination in a supposed free country. Some of our laws are skewed against poor and minority people. That needs to change.

cwtcr hokie wrote:

CWHOKIECPA wrote:

Hokie CPA wrote:Our prisons have far too many non-violent offenders in them. Anyone who has served more than, I dunno... let's say, 18 months for a non-violent offense should probably be let go. Let's keep prisons for murderers and rapists... possession of a few grams of cocaine shouldn't get you a life sentence just because it's a 'third strike.'

And crack cocaine, a form of Coke that is less pure shouldn't get you more time than the pure cocaine.

how about the idea of not breaking the laws as they are written??? anybody for more personal responsibility? anybody? bueller???

Florida Hokie wrote:http://www.cut50.org/

This is a truly bi-partisan effort led by Newt Gingrich and Van Jones. I've learned quite a bit about it lately and fully support what they are doing. In short, they want to reform the criminal justice system and reduce our incarcerated population by 50 percent over the next 10 years.

I encourage you to check out the information provided. How does UWS feel about this effort?

Bay_area_Hokie wrote:Everything in this country is about money. The reason we have a lot of prisons is because you make a lot of money building and managing prisons.

The best lobbyists are able to create a buzz phrase for the average moron to support, like "War on Drugs". Then, to prove your support you vote for someone who supports the cliche...this politician then writes a blank check for those profiting from it in exchange for donations. Rinse, repeat.

Any time someone in Washington declares war on a windmill, cover your wallet. It's all about taking your money and redistributing it to the people who give them money. It's good business if you're in the middle of the funds flow.

Bay_area_Hokie wrote:Everything in this country is about money. The reason we have a lot of prisons is because you make a lot of money building and managing prisons.

The best lobbyists are able to create a buzz phrase for the average moron to support, like "War on Drugs". Then, to prove your support you vote for someone who supports the cliche...this politician then writes a blank check for those profiting from it in exchange for donations. Rinse, repeat.

Any time someone in Washington declares war on a windmill, cover your wallet. It's all about taking your money and redistributing it to the people who give them money. It's good business if you're in the middle of the funds flow.

USN_Hokie wrote:

Bay_area_Hokie wrote:Everything in this country is about money. The reason we have a lot of prisons is because you make a lot of money building and managing prisons.

The best lobbyists are able to create a buzz phrase for the average moron to support, like "War on Drugs". Then, to prove your support you vote for someone who supports the cliche...this politician then writes a blank check for those profiting from it in exchange for donations. Rinse, repeat.

Any time someone in Washington declares war on a windmill, cover your wallet. It's all about taking your money and redistributing it to the people who give them money. It's good business if you're in the middle of the funds flow.

I think it's a mistake to imply prison overpopulation = war on drugs. Van Jones doesn't want to just release non-violent pot heads caught with an ounce of weed - we're talking about releasing repeat, violent criminals in any conversation about reducing the prison population by 50%.

Florida Hokie wrote:

USN_Hokie wrote:

Bay_area_Hokie wrote:Everything in this country is about money. The reason we have a lot of prisons is because you make a lot of money building and managing prisons.

The best lobbyists are able to create a buzz phrase for the average moron to support, like "War on Drugs". Then, to prove your support you vote for someone who supports the cliche...this politician then writes a blank check for those profiting from it in exchange for donations. Rinse, repeat.

Any time someone in Washington declares war on a windmill, cover your wallet. It's all about taking your money and redistributing it to the people who give them money. It's good business if you're in the middle of the funds flow.

I think it's a mistake to imply prison overpopulation = war on drugs. Van Jones doesn't want to just release non-violent pot heads caught with an ounce of weed - we're talking about releasing repeat, violent criminals in any conversation about reducing the prison population by 50%.

That's not a true statement. That's not what is being said at all.

Left mostly unsaid is that achieving the goal of this “Cut50” movement would entail touching what has long been a third-rail in criminal justice reform. To halve the prison population, sentencing would have to change not only for the so-called “non, non, nons” — non-violent, non-serious, and non-sex offender criminals — but also for some offenders convicted of violent crimes.

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Simple math shows why violent offenders would have to be part of any serious attempt to halve the number of prisoners. Consider the nation’s largest incarcerated population, the 1,315,000 held in state prisons. Only 4 percent are there for drug possession. An additional 12 percent are incarcerated for drug sales, manufacturing, or trafficking. Eleven percent are there for public order offenses such as prostitution or drunk driving, and 19 percent for property crimes such as fraud and car theft, including some property crimes that many consider serious or violent, such as home invasion.

That leaves a full 54 percent of state prisoners who are incarcerated for violent crimes, including murder, kidnapping, manslaughter, rape, sexual assault, and armed robbery.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015 ... .1fJVPzF2i

USN_Hokie wrote:

Florida Hokie wrote:

USN_Hokie wrote:

Bay_area_Hokie wrote:Everything in this country is about money. The reason we have a lot of prisons is because you make a lot of money building and managing prisons.

The best lobbyists are able to create a buzz phrase for the average moron to support, like "War on Drugs". Then, to prove your support you vote for someone who supports the cliche...this politician then writes a blank check for those profiting from it in exchange for donations. Rinse, repeat.

Any time someone in Washington declares war on a windmill, cover your wallet. It's all about taking your money and redistributing it to the people who give them money. It's good business if you're in the middle of the funds flow.

I think it's a mistake to imply prison overpopulation = war on drugs. Van Jones doesn't want to just release non-violent pot heads caught with an ounce of weed - we're talking about releasing repeat, violent criminals in any conversation about reducing the prison population by 50%.

That's not a true statement. That's not what is being said at all.

Bullshirt. Show how I'm wrong.

ETA: Yep, you're wrong:

Left mostly unsaid is that achieving the goal of this “Cut50” movement would entail touching what has long been a third-rail in criminal justice reform. To halve the prison population, sentencing would have to change not only for the so-called “non, non, nons” — non-violent, non-serious, and non-sex offender criminals — but also for some offenders convicted of violent crimes.

...

Simple math shows why violent offenders would have to be part of any serious attempt to halve the number of prisoners. Consider the nation’s largest incarcerated population, the 1,315,000 held in state prisons. Only 4 percent are there for drug possession. An additional 12 percent are incarcerated for drug sales, manufacturing, or trafficking. Eleven percent are there for public order offenses such as prostitution or drunk driving, and 19 percent for property crimes such as fraud and car theft, including some property crimes that many consider serious or violent, such as home invasion.

That leaves a full 54 percent of state prisoners who are incarcerated for violent crimes, including murder, kidnapping, manslaughter, rape, sexual assault, and armed robbery.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015 ... .1fJVPzF2i

This isn't about releasing hippies caught with an ounce of weed from prison.