Anyone familiar with #cut50?
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Re: Anyone familiar with #cut50?
Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
ETA: I would support reform of our criminal sentencing and I actually agree with everything BAH said, but that's only a small part. FIFTY-FOUR percent of those in prison are there for violent crimes. That means if we ignored every drug crime, every larceny, every white collar crime - we still wouldn't be at 50%.
ETA: I would support reform of our criminal sentencing and I actually agree with everything BAH said, but that's only a small part. FIFTY-FOUR percent of those in prison are there for violent crimes. That means if we ignored every drug crime, every larceny, every white collar crime - we still wouldn't be at 50%.
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I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
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except a speeding ticket is punished with a fine, now I guess drunk drivers should get as many chances a they want and only be fined. right?nolanvt wrote:The next time cwtcr gets a speeding ticket, he should be sentenced to two years in jail.
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the subject matter of the crime has to do with the crime..... again, its not hard to avoid going to prison..... not breaking the laws as they are written would be one, an awful lot of American society figured it out somehow. darn, wonder how?
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well if you steal a car that is not a violent crime so why send those folks that ignore that law to prison, right? punishments are a deterrent to some, for others that don't give a damn what the laws are they are a minor nuisance until they end up in prison, then it sucks for themFlorida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
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So you don't think there is any need for reform in the criminal justice system? If so, that's fine. Just say so.cwtcr hokie wrote:well if you steal a car that is not a violent crime so why send those folks that ignore that law to prison, right? punishments are a deterrent to some, for others that don't give a damn what the laws are they are a minor nuisance until they end up in prison, then it sucks for themFlorida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
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Not cwtcr, but I don't believe there's any need to reduce the prison population 50% so long as more than 50% of the prison population is violent criminals. Also, I think approaching it with a problem statement of "the prison population needs to be reduced 50%" is backwards.Florida Hokie wrote:So you don't think there is any need for reform in the criminal justice system? If so, that's fine. Just say so.cwtcr hokie wrote:well if you steal a car that is not a violent crime so why send those folks that ignore that law to prison, right? punishments are a deterrent to some, for others that don't give a damn what the laws are they are a minor nuisance until they end up in prison, then it sucks for themFlorida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
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OK - set aside the 50% target (which, let's face it, there's a marketing effort at play here). Do you feel some measures would be good?USN_Hokie wrote:Not cwtcr, but I don't believe there's any need to reduce the prison population 50% so long as more than 50% of the prison population is violent criminals. Also, I think approaching it with a problem statement of "the prison population needs to be reduced 50%" is backwards.Florida Hokie wrote:So you don't think there is any need for reform in the criminal justice system? If so, that's fine. Just say so.cwtcr hokie wrote:well if you steal a car that is not a violent crime so why send those folks that ignore that law to prison, right? punishments are a deterrent to some, for others that don't give a damn what the laws are they are a minor nuisance until they end up in prison, then it sucks for themFlorida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
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I do, but you're asking me to jump into the same trap that Republicans/conservatives fall for every time. Newt is a whore and Van Jones only wants to do this because he thinks the system is targeting blacks for incarceration - he'd probably release all of them if he could.
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Damn you're stupid. I think you're absolute as you're idiots that set ablaze ridiculous strawmen and proclaim victory. Yeah, pointing out the error in your argument means no prison reform at all. Go back with the crybullies at TSL.Florida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
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Who are you arguing with here? I don't think anyone is saying there shouldn't be punishment for actions. It's a question of whether or not the punishment fits the crime. The only non-violent offense that has specifically been named as far as I can tell is drug related.cwtcr hokie wrote:well if you steal a car that is not a violent crime so why send those folks that ignore that law to prison, right?Florida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
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Have you actually listened to Van Jones speak on the topic? That's not what he's saying. He DOES represent that it is unfair against black males and to that I'd agree.USN_Hokie wrote:I do, but you're asking me to jump into the same trap that Republicans/conservatives fall for every time. Newt is a whore and Van Jones only wants to do this because he thinks the system is targeting blacks for incarceration - he'd probably release all of them if he could.
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The effort also targets three -strikes laws.TheH2 wrote:Who are you arguing with here? I don't think anyone is saying there shouldn't be punishment for actions. It's a question of whether or not the punishment fits the crime. The only non-violent offense that has specifically been named as far as I can tell is drug related.cwtcr hokie wrote:well if you steal a car that is not a violent crime so why send those folks that ignore that law to prison, right?Florida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
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reform it how, what specific laws are you getting rid of? then lets talk, what drugs are legal, all of them or just pot. I mean heroin is great (for the people hooked on it, not so great for society as a whole) So what drugs do you want legal? What crimes are you saying are worth going to prison for. I mean sex between two humans, why is that illegal, how do you know wether the 14 year old the 30 year old is banging is advanced for her age, no violence, consensual so no prison, right?Florida Hokie wrote:So you don't think there is any need for reform in the criminal justice system? If so, that's fine. Just say so.cwtcr hokie wrote:well if you steal a car that is not a violent crime so why send those folks that ignore that law to prison, right? punishments are a deterrent to some, for others that don't give a damn what the laws are they are a minor nuisance until they end up in prison, then it sucks for themFlorida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
Yes there are some dumb laws and any gov function can be reformed but the best best best way to lower the rapidly rising crime rates and prison population is for the dumb asses that commit crimes and ignore laws....TO STOP DOING THAT OR NEVER START TO BEGIN WITH!
Stat I saw the other day 96% of charges never get to trial, plea bargained or dismissed. So all those folks that decide laws do not apply to them usually never go to jail to start with and realize there is zero punishment for ignoring laws. Or what is your explanation for people that have 20 or more charges on their police record?
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So what drugs are you making legal? all of them?TheH2 wrote:Who are you arguing with here? I don't think anyone is saying there shouldn't be punishment for actions. It's a question of whether or not the punishment fits the crime. The only non-violent offense that has specifically been named as far as I can tell is drug related.cwtcr hokie wrote:well if you steal a car that is not a violent crime so why send those folks that ignore that law to prison, right?Florida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
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For black males that CHOOSE TO BREAK THE LAWS, yes it sucks for them, for those that CHOOSE to not break the laws, then they are fine.Florida Hokie wrote:Have you actually listened to Van Jones speak on the topic? That's not what he's saying. He DOES represent that it is unfair against black males and to that I'd agree.USN_Hokie wrote:I do, but you're asking me to jump into the same trap that Republicans/conservatives fall for every time. Newt is a whore and Van Jones only wants to do this because he thinks the system is targeting blacks for incarceration - he'd probably release all of them if he could.
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so how many crimes do you give them? 10, 15 or 200Florida Hokie wrote:The effort also targets three -strikes laws.TheH2 wrote:Who are you arguing with here? I don't think anyone is saying there shouldn't be punishment for actions. It's a question of whether or not the punishment fits the crime. The only non-violent offense that has specifically been named as far as I can tell is drug related.cwtcr hokie wrote:well if you steal a car that is not a violent crime so why send those folks that ignore that law to prison, right?Florida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
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cwtcr hokie wrote:For black males that CHOOSE TO BREAK THE LAWS, yes it sucks for them, for those that CHOOSE to not break the laws, then they are fine.Florida Hokie wrote:Have you actually listened to Van Jones speak on the topic? That's not what he's saying. He DOES represent that it is unfair against black males and to that I'd agree.USN_Hokie wrote:I do, but you're asking me to jump into the same trap that Republicans/conservatives fall for every time. Newt is a whore and Van Jones only wants to do this because he thinks the system is targeting blacks for incarceration - he'd probably release all of them if he could.
He just wants more democrat voters and so has this angle to prevent blacks from falling into felonies and thusly not being able to vote.
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Why so angry?awesome guy wrote:Damn you're stupid. I think you're absolute as you're idiots that set ablaze ridiculous strawmen and proclaim victory. Yeah, pointing out the error in your argument means no prison reform at all. Go back with the crybullies at TSL.Florida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
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ip_law-hokie wrote:Why so angry?awesome guy wrote:Damn you're stupid. I think you're absolute as you're idiots that set ablaze ridiculous strawmen and proclaim victory. Yeah, pointing out the error in your argument means no prison reform at all. Go back with the crybullies at TSL.Florida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
I'm not. I guess everything sounds angry to a hater.
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That must be it. Carry on.awesome guy wrote:ip_law-hokie wrote:Why so angry?awesome guy wrote:Damn you're stupid. I think you're absolute as you're idiots that set ablaze ridiculous strawmen and proclaim victory. Yeah, pointing out the error in your argument means no prison reform at all. Go back with the crybullies at TSL.Florida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
I'm not. I guess everything sounds angry to a hater.
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sure thing jerk.ip_law-hokie wrote:That must be it. Carry on.awesome guy wrote:ip_law-hokie wrote:Why so angry?awesome guy wrote:Damn you're stupid. I think you're absolute as you're idiots that set ablaze ridiculous strawmen and proclaim victory. Yeah, pointing out the error in your argument means no prison reform at all. Go back with the crybullies at TSL.Florida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
I'm not. I guess everything sounds angry to a hater.
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I'm just going to let you keep assuming all sorts of unreasonable positions for me to take.cwtcr hokie wrote:so how many crimes do you give them? 10, 15 or 200Florida Hokie wrote:The effort also targets three -strikes laws.TheH2 wrote:Who are you arguing with here? I don't think anyone is saying there shouldn't be punishment for actions. It's a question of whether or not the punishment fits the crime. The only non-violent offense that has specifically been named as far as I can tell is drug related.cwtcr hokie wrote:well if you steal a car that is not a violent crime so why send those folks that ignore that law to prison, right?Florida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
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awesome, like peas in a pod then.Florida Hokie wrote:I'm just going to let you keep assuming all sorts of unreasonable positions for me to take.
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It's not about making drugs legal, it's about different versions of the same drug having different sentences. Or, three strikes and life sentences for "routine" offenses. Just because drugs are illegal doesn't mean you should go to jail for possession, or get significant jail time for possession. That's the debate and candidates on both the left and the right seem to be picking up on this.cwtcr hokie wrote:So what drugs are you making legal? all of them?TheH2 wrote:Who are you arguing with here? I don't think anyone is saying there shouldn't be punishment for actions. It's a question of whether or not the punishment fits the crime. The only non-violent offense that has specifically been named as far as I can tell is drug related.cwtcr hokie wrote:well if you steal a car that is not a violent crime so why send those folks that ignore that law to prison, right?Florida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
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that's a canard though. Crack and cocaine aren't equivalents from a risk and impact standpoint. That's like saying whiskey and beer are the same because they both have alcohol.TheH2 wrote:It's not about making drugs legal, it's about different versions of the same drug having different sentences. Or, three strikes and life sentences for "routine" offenses. Just because drugs are illegal doesn't mean you should go to jail for possession, or get significant jail time for possession. That's the debate and candidates on both the left and the right seem to be picking up on this.cwtcr hokie wrote:So what drugs are you making legal? all of them?TheH2 wrote:Who are you arguing with here? I don't think anyone is saying there shouldn't be punishment for actions. It's a question of whether or not the punishment fits the crime. The only non-violent offense that has specifically been named as far as I can tell is drug related.cwtcr hokie wrote:well if you steal a car that is not a violent crime so why send those folks that ignore that law to prison, right?Florida Hokie wrote:I'm wrong about what? You don't think there is any need for prison reform at all? Are you a throw the baby out with the bathwater kinda guy?USN_Hokie wrote:Until they rename it #cut16, you're still wrong.
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