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VisorBoy wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
VisorBoy wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
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Hokie5150 wrote:Fine. Let's have a conversation. Of the gun deaths in America, 60+ percent are suicides. Of the remaining gun deaths, the majority are drug and/or gang related. Any serious conversation about reducing gun deaths should start there...not with so-called "assault weapons" (which represent a minuscule portion of the problem) or phony gun show loopholes.
And the good news is that all three problems can be addressed at once.
care to expound on how?
Any effort to limit the proliferation of guns, especially those capable of maximizing damage in a short time, addresses all three. Not completely, and not at the same rate, mind you, but that isn't a complete argument to abandon said efforts.
fyi, if someone wants to off themselves, they don't need a gun so you are not going to save those lives unless the person does not want to die, committing suicide pretty much erases the possibility of them not dying
There are studies out there linking the availability of guns to suicide rates.

In short, people that survive a suicide attempt are highly likely to rebound and not commit suicide. Reducing the ways one can commit suicide (and the effectiveness of them) is a positive for those interested in protecting human life.
Can you link one? I can't find anything that correlates guns to suicide. I'm going to assume this is a made up point.
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It's probably time we provide a safe space for prayers. Amirite?
Jesus, you all are bigger babies than any of the people you bitch and moan about on a daily basis.
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HokieFanDC wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote: No, what I said is that there are probably people who have solutions in mind, that are not getting any airtime, because they don't fit the simpleton left/right agendas that do get airtime.

Here are 2 simple questions for you.

1) Do you think there is a solution to the mass shootings that we are having?
2) If you're answer to #1 is yes, what do you think that solution is?
To make another budget analogy, this is like arguing over pork barrel spending. In the end of the day, "Mass shootings" (like pork barrel spending) are statistically irrelevant. This need to find a "solution" is an irrational reaction to saturation by the media. So, I would reject the premise of your question (of course there's a solution: confiscate all weapons and anything pointy from every person, move every person in US to internment camps where they're guarded by armed guards to prevent any violence. How many "mass shootings" have occurred in prison?)
I don't think it's an irrational reaction. When you can't go to a holiday party without feeling 100% sure some maniac isn't going to kill half the people there, it's not irrational to have a strong reaction to it.
It's not like Chicago, where criminals are killing other criminals all the time. The solution for most people, is to avoid areas where criminals are.
When people are getting killed at schools, and office places, in large numbers, then something is very wrong.
You have a better chance of dying in a head-on collision on your way to work this morning than dying in a "mass shooting." Again, if you want 100% (really, more like 99%) assurance of not dying in a shooting, put yourself in a maximum security prison (of course, your chances of being shiv'd with a sharpened toothbrush will increase considerably :) )
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USN_Hokie wrote:You have a better chance of dying in a head-on collision on your way to work this morning than dying in a "mass shooting."
Also true for any type of terrorist attack, including radical Islamic type, yet, we see a lot of fear going on...even right here in this forum.
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Uprising wrote:It's probably time we provide a safe space for prayers. Amirite?
Jesus, you all are bigger babies than any of the people you bitch and moan about on a daily basis.
The left has really overplayed their hand with the attacks on religion here.
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Florida Hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:You have a better chance of dying in a head-on collision on your way to work this morning than dying in a "mass shooting."
Also true for any type of terrorist attack, including radical Islamic type, yet, we see a lot of fear going on...even right here in this forum.
And? I've been saying this for years. ETA: Making huge institutional changes to counter a black swan event (like 9/11) is insane.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
Florida Hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:You have a better chance of dying in a head-on collision on your way to work this morning than dying in a "mass shooting."
Also true for any type of terrorist attack, including radical Islamic type, yet, we see a lot of fear going on...even right here in this forum.
And? I've been saying this for years.
Not at you specifically. Just making the point.
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awesome guy wrote:
VisorBoy wrote: There are studies out there linking the availability of guns to suicide rates.

In short, people that survive a suicide attempt are highly likely to rebound and not commit suicide. Reducing the ways one can commit suicide (and the effectiveness of them) is a positive for those interested in protecting human life.
Can you link one? I can't find anything that correlates guns to suicide. I'm going to assume this is a made up point.
http://www.vox.com/cards/gun-violence-f ... pt-control
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8721267/gun ... un-control
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine-fe ... dden-toll/
http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1814426

From the last link: "Conclusion: Access to firearms is associated with risk for completed suicide and being the victim of homicide."
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USN_Hokie wrote:
Uprising wrote:It's probably time we provide a safe space for prayers. Amirite?
Jesus, you all are bigger babies than any of the people you bitch and moan about on a daily basis.
The left has really overplayed their hand with the attacks on religion here.
First, criticizing the continuous meaningless gestures on twitter in response to tragedy (many Ds do this too) is not an attack on anyone's religion.
Second, this is a sign of the times. More and more people are fed up politicians cloaking both their actions and inactions in religion. But everything they do it, I insider it another win for my side. Nothing turns people away from organized religion like politicians.
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VisorBoy wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
VisorBoy wrote: There are studies out there linking the availability of guns to suicide rates.

In short, people that survive a suicide attempt are highly likely to rebound and not commit suicide. Reducing the ways one can commit suicide (and the effectiveness of them) is a positive for those interested in protecting human life.
Can you link one? I can't find anything that correlates guns to suicide. I'm going to assume this is a made up point.
http://www.vox.com/cards/gun-violence-f ... pt-control
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8721267/gun ... un-control
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine-fe ... dden-toll/
http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1814426

From the last link: "Conclusion: Access to firearms is associated with risk for completed suicide and being the victim of homicide."
response.... duh

we should limit access to cars, knives, bats, rocks or any other object on the planet really.... the stuff is dangerous.

A firearm has never killed anyone, not a single human in recorded history..... the human operating the object has tho..... a firearm is an object, the human with the brain operating it is what makes it dangerous. The same as anything else on the planet
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VisorBoy wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
VisorBoy wrote: There are studies out there linking the availability of guns to suicide rates.

In short, people that survive a suicide attempt are highly likely to rebound and not commit suicide. Reducing the ways one can commit suicide (and the effectiveness of them) is a positive for those interested in protecting human life.
Can you link one? I can't find anything that correlates guns to suicide. I'm going to assume this is a made up point.
http://www.vox.com/cards/gun-violence-f ... pt-control
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8721267/gun ... un-control
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine-fe ... dden-toll/
http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1814426

From the last link: "Conclusion: Access to firearms is associated with risk for completed suicide and being the victim of homicide."
So it has nothing to do with the suicide rate. Thanks, just as I thought.
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Florida Hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:You have a better chance of dying in a head-on collision on your way to work this morning than dying in a "mass shooting."
Also true for any type of terrorist attack, including radical Islamic type, yet, we see a lot of fear going on...even right here in this forum.
that is what the terrorist want, or else not sure why they drove large planes into big building 14 years ago, unless they seriously hated boeing or big buildings
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Uprising wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
Uprising wrote:It's probably time we provide a safe space for prayers. Amirite?
Jesus, you all are bigger babies than any of the people you bitch and moan about on a daily basis.
The left has really overplayed their hand with the attacks on religion here.
First, criticizing the continuous meaningless gestures on twitter in response to tragedy (many Ds do this too) is not an attack on anyone's religion.
Second, this is a sign of the times. More and more people are fed up politicians cloaking both their actions and inactions in religion. But everything they do it, I insider it another win for my side. Nothing turns people away from organized religion like politicians.
It's really just liberal fascism showing its head again. Y'all see God as a competitor to the benevolence of government and so seek to destroy faith. He and his works are mightier.
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awesome guy wrote:
Uprising wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
Uprising wrote:It's probably time we provide a safe space for prayers. Amirite?
Jesus, you all are bigger babies than any of the people you bitch and moan about on a daily basis.
The left has really overplayed their hand with the attacks on religion here.
First, criticizing the continuous meaningless gestures on twitter in response to tragedy (many Ds do this too) is not an attack on anyone's religion.
Second, this is a sign of the times. More and more people are fed up politicians cloaking both their actions and inactions in religion. But everything they do it, I insider it another win for my side. Nothing turns people away from organized religion like politicians.
It's really just liberal fascism showing its head again. Y'all see God as a competitor to the benevolence of government and so seek to destroy faith. He and his works are mightier.
ISIS agrees.
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Uprising wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
Uprising wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
Uprising wrote:It's probably time we provide a safe space for prayers. Amirite?
Jesus, you all are bigger babies than any of the people you bitch and moan about on a daily basis.
The left has really overplayed their hand with the attacks on religion here.
First, criticizing the continuous meaningless gestures on twitter in response to tragedy (many Ds do this too) is not an attack on anyone's religion.
Second, this is a sign of the times. More and more people are fed up politicians cloaking both their actions and inactions in religion. But everything they do it, I insider it another win for my side. Nothing turns people away from organized religion like politicians.
It's really just liberal fascism showing its head again. Y'all see God as a competitor to the benevolence of government and so seek to destroy faith. He and his works are mightier.
ISIS agrees.
They hate Christians as much as your camp ...
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VisorBoy wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
VisorBoy wrote: There are studies out there linking the availability of guns to suicide rates.

In short, people that survive a suicide attempt are highly likely to rebound and not commit suicide. Reducing the ways one can commit suicide (and the effectiveness of them) is a positive for those interested in protecting human life.
Can you link one? I can't find anything that correlates guns to suicide. I'm going to assume this is a made up point.
http://www.vox.com/cards/gun-violence-f ... pt-control
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8721267/gun ... un-control
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine-fe ... dden-toll/
http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1814426

From the last link: "Conclusion: Access to firearms is associated with risk for completed suicide and being the victim of homicide."
This is a hilarious angle of attack coming from the party which endorses assisted suicide. Better yet, Vox has been leading the charge to tell us how great assisted suicide is:

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/7/9470537/as ... here-legal
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/11/9313693/ca ... egislature
http://www.vox.com/2015/2/6/7993315/can ... ed-suicide

You guys need to decide whether suicide is good or not.
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awesome guy wrote:
Uprising wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
Uprising wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
Uprising wrote:It's probably time we provide a safe space for prayers. Amirite?
Jesus, you all are bigger babies than any of the people you bitch and moan about on a daily basis.
The left has really overplayed their hand with the attacks on religion here.
First, criticizing the continuous meaningless gestures on twitter in response to tragedy (many Ds do this too) is not an attack on anyone's religion.
Second, this is a sign of the times. More and more people are fed up politicians cloaking both their actions and inactions in religion. But everything they do it, I insider it another win for my side. Nothing turns people away from organized religion like politicians.
It's really just liberal fascism showing its head again. Y'all see God as a competitor to the benevolence of government and so seek to destroy faith. He and his works are mightier.
ISIS agrees.
They hate Christians as much as your camp ...
I don't hate Christians. I love very many of them. I don't know very many more. But remember the motto:
Love the believer, hate the belief.

Anyways, after an event like the one in San Bernardino or Paris, do you ever stop to think that if there were a god answering prayers, maybe, just maybe, he answered the prayers of the two apparently religiously motivated murderers? The ones that killed 14 others. Or was the god you offer prayers to indifferent to the deaths of those 14 people? How about the 100+ in Paris? Or was your god seeking to punish these people, probably for the sins of the leftists?

Why must politicians offer their prayers for the victims by tweet? Surely their god doesn't need to follow them on twitter in order to know they are praying. And I don't think someone bleeding out at a triage unit is likely to be checking their twitter either. So who is it that they are speaking to? It's all theater.
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Uprising wrote: I don't hate Christians. I love very many of them. I don't know very many more. But remember the motto:
Love the believer, hate the belief.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
VisorBoy wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
VisorBoy wrote: There are studies out there linking the availability of guns to suicide rates.

In short, people that survive a suicide attempt are highly likely to rebound and not commit suicide. Reducing the ways one can commit suicide (and the effectiveness of them) is a positive for those interested in protecting human life.
Can you link one? I can't find anything that correlates guns to suicide. I'm going to assume this is a made up point.
http://www.vox.com/cards/gun-violence-f ... pt-control
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8721267/gun ... un-control
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine-fe ... dden-toll/
http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1814426

From the last link: "Conclusion: Access to firearms is associated with risk for completed suicide and being the victim of homicide."
This is a hilarious angle of attack coming from the party which endorses assisted suicide. Better yet, Vox has been leading the charge to tell us how great assisted suicide is:

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/7/9470537/as ... here-legal
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/11/9313693/ca ... egislature
http://www.vox.com/2015/2/6/7993315/can ... ed-suicide

You guys need to decide whether suicide is good or not.
Is this another one of your attempts at an adult conversation? By clearly misrepresenting the views of others? As if any person that is taken seriously is advocating assisted suicide for those suffering from depression.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
Uprising wrote: I don't hate Christians. I love very many of them. I don't know very many more. But remember the motto:
Love the believer, hate the belief.
Can a pig love?
Well can you?
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Uprising wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
VisorBoy wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
VisorBoy wrote: There are studies out there linking the availability of guns to suicide rates.

In short, people that survive a suicide attempt are highly likely to rebound and not commit suicide. Reducing the ways one can commit suicide (and the effectiveness of them) is a positive for those interested in protecting human life.
Can you link one? I can't find anything that correlates guns to suicide. I'm going to assume this is a made up point.
http://www.vox.com/cards/gun-violence-f ... pt-control
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8721267/gun ... un-control
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine-fe ... dden-toll/
http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1814426

From the last link: "Conclusion: Access to firearms is associated with risk for completed suicide and being the victim of homicide."
This is a hilarious angle of attack coming from the party which endorses assisted suicide. Better yet, Vox has been leading the charge to tell us how great assisted suicide is:

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/7/9470537/as ... here-legal
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/11/9313693/ca ... egislature
http://www.vox.com/2015/2/6/7993315/can ... ed-suicide

You guys need to decide whether suicide is good or not.
Is this another one of your attempts at an adult conversation? By clearly misrepresenting the views of others? As if any person that is taken seriously is advocating assisted suicide for those suffering from depression.
LOL, read what you wrote one more time and just let the stupid sink in for a moment. Do you think there is anyone who wants to commit suicide who is happy?
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Liberalism: Supports suicide - unless you want to do it with a gun.
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Uprising wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
Uprising wrote: I don't hate Christians. I love very many of them. I don't know very many more. But remember the motto:
Love the believer, hate the belief.
Can a pig love?
Well can you?
Quit stalling. I know this is very important to your belief system. What is "love" and why can't a pig do it?
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RiverguyVT wrote:
VoiceOfReason wrote: The NRA exists for one purpose - to protect the interests of gun and ammunition manufacturers.
...and.....
VoiceOfReason wrote: WADR River... if you think the NRA's lobbying influence into gun policy in this country is not a HUGE part of why there is so much polarization on this issue... I think that's a very naive viewpoint.
WADR VOR, one is not the other. Yes, they influence gun policy. I made no comment on their effectiveness nor influence. No, the NRA's existence is not solely for the purpose of gun manufacturer interests. Your "one purpose" comment, I say again, is nonsensical and a complete nonstarter.
LOL... okay... replace "one purpose" with "primary purpose". Yes, I am quite aware of their other services they offer... but when it comes down to it, the NRA sides with gun/ammo manufacturers over citizens and even gun owners every time.

Would you like to continue nitpicking? Or address the main point of my messages? :mrgreen:
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Uprising wrote:It's probably time we provide a safe space for prayers. Amirite?
Jesus, you all are bigger babies than any of the people you bitch and moan about on a daily basis.
Religious conservatives can be just as politically correct/sensitive as the liberals they accuse of the same behavior.


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