to play devil's advocate , what if it were the number 13 or just something superstitious? Should the race accommodate that too or just the mark of the beast? What I'm getting at is letting the runners avoid numbers could open up other problems. I can see the rationale in being unaccommodating so as to not have people start pushing to get specific numbers, like people wanting no. 7 or 51 like I wore and all Dick Butkus fans should want .BigDave wrote:Even if you don't agree with her decision, the adults need to act like adults and provide a reasonable accommodation.chuckd4vt wrote:This whole incident is a ridiculous waste of time. On her part, and then on the parts of the peeps who wouldn't just change the number. Hardly anything God would desire us to spend much of our time on.
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Maybe that's not how God has called her to glorify Him.Valencia Hokie wrote:True. She should be concerned with clearer eternally damning matters, like women wearing pants.BG Hokie wrote:She is naive to think wearing 666 puts her relationship with God at risk.CFB Apologist wrote:Florida Hokie wrote:Brilliant administrators of race can't see fit to change the number for her. I don't think this is a war against Christianity issue. I think this is yet another example in about 1,000,000 of the spineless, brainless adults in charge of our education system. Seriously, just change the number - how hard is that?
That said, it is sad to me that this girl believes wearing the number would put her relationship with God at risk. God doesn't care what bib number you wear.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschoo ... 18529.html
Good for her...Good to see there is someone in America under 30 with values...
Her stand has led people across the country to talk about relationship with God today.
Had young Codie Thacker simply run the race, and come in 4th, would it have led more than a dozen or so such conversations?
I surprised by the condemnation the girl is facing here.
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FTR I was born on Friday June 13, '58 (5+8=13) at just after 1:00PM (13:00)...there are 13 letters in my name.awesome guy wrote:to play devil's advocate , what if it were the number 13 or just something superstitious? Should the race accommodate that too or just the mark of the beast? What I'm getting at is letting the runners avoid numbers could open up other problems. I can see the rationale in being unaccommodating so as to not have people start pushing to get specific numbers, like people wanting no. 7 or 51 like I wore and all Dick Butkus fans should want .
13 is a number which strikes absolutely no fear in me.
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To be clear, I believe the adults are acting like idiots and they easily could have made accommodations for the young lady. I just think it is sad that this young lady has been led to believe that her personal relationship with God would be impacted by a number for racing.
RiverguyVT wrote:I disagry.BG Hokie wrote:She is naive to think wearing 666 puts her relationship with God at risk.CFB Apologist wrote:Florida Hokie wrote:Brilliant administrators of race can't see fit to change the number for her. I don't think this is a war against Christianity issue. I think this is yet another example in about 1,000,000 of the spineless, brainless adults in charge of our education system. Seriously, just change the number - how hard is that?
That said, it is sad to me that this girl believes wearing the number would put her relationship with God at risk. God doesn't care what bib number you wear.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschoo ... 18529.html
Good for her...Good to see there is someone in America under 30 with values...
I don't think my wearing a 666 in a race would put my relationship with God at risk. But who am I to suggest knowing exactly what her relationship with God is comprised of? We're not talking about MY relationship with God (nor any of yours). We're talking about HER relationship with God. If deep down, she feels & knows this as her truth, with her God,...then, yeah, wearing 666 would indeed put her relationship at risk. That is totally her call, and not for anyone else to mock.
I wouldn't ever think to wave my hand around my chest to head & forehead as large-c Catholics do. NOT doing so, in their minds, affects their relationship with God. If they feel their relationship has been affected, then by God and by themselves, it has.
This is no different.
I'm surprised some here would judge it the way they are.
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at least it was not bib number 69
Florida Hokie wrote:Brilliant administrators of race can't see fit to change the number for her. I don't think this is a war against Christianity issue. I think this is yet another example in about 1,000,000 of the spineless, brainless adults in charge of our education system. Seriously, just change the number - how hard is that?
That said, it is sad to me that this girl believes wearing the number would put her relationship with God at risk. God doesn't care what bib number you wear.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschoo ... 18529.html
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Dick Butkus is not, despite what some on the interwebs may believe, a religious icon. You reasonably accommodate people's sincerely held religious beliefs - you don't accommodate whims. If someone's religion took issue with using the number 13, then the same accommodation should be applied.awesome guy wrote:to play devil's advocate , what if it were the number 13 or just something superstitious? Should the race accommodate that too or just the mark of the beast? What I'm getting at is letting the runners avoid numbers could open up other problems. I can see the rationale in being unaccommodating so as to not have people start pushing to get specific numbers, like people wanting no. 7 or 51 like I wore and all Dick Butkus fans should want .BigDave wrote:Even if you don't agree with her decision, the adults need to act like adults and provide a reasonable accommodation.chuckd4vt wrote:This whole incident is a ridiculous waste of time. On her part, and then on the parts of the peeps who wouldn't just change the number. Hardly anything God would desire us to spend much of our time on.
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Who's condemning her?RiverguyVT wrote:I surprised by the condemnation the girl is facing here.
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You don't know that it wouldn't be.Florida Hokie wrote:To be clear, I believe the adults are acting like idiots and they easily could have made accommodations for the young lady. I just think it is sad that this young lady has been led to believe that her personal relationship with God would be impacted by a number for racing.
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I disagry.
I don't think my wearing a 666 in a race would put my relationship with God at risk. But who am I to suggest knowing exactly what her relationship with God is comprised of? We're not talking about MY relationship with God (nor any of yours). We're talking about HER relationship with God. If deep down, she feels & knows this as her truth, with her God,...then, yeah, wearing 666 would indeed put her relationship at risk. That is totally her call, and not for anyone else to mock.
I wouldn't ever think to wave my hand around my chest to head & forehead as large-c Catholics do. NOT doing so, in their minds, affects their relationship with God. If they feel their relationship has been affected, then by God and by themselves, it has.
This is no different.
I'm surprised some here would judge it the way they are.
What is a "relationship" if not a 2-way street?
If she sees something deep down, that she believes affects her relationship, then it does. That's my whole point.
It wouldn't affect yours. It would not affect mine.
It does indeed affect hers, if she says that it does.
Is she supposed to have the exact same relationship with God as you? as me? Do you really find that "sad", that she might not?
Based upon what I read about her, she seems like an normal & intelligent young lady.
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You want names?Florida Hokie wrote:Who's condemning her?RiverguyVT wrote:I surprised by the condemnation the girl is facing here.
You, Val, BG, chuck.
It is "sad" (she thinks this way).
A bit of mockery.
She's "naive".
"Ridiculous"
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Yes, I find it sad. I don't want any part of a deity that would cast judgment upon me for wearing an arbitrarily assigned number in a race. It's the epitome of insecurity. That's why it is sad. That doesn't mean I think she's stupid or a rube. It means I wish she'd be comfortable enough in her faith to feel that God would see that she made no conscious decision to glorify Satan with the number of the Beast. AGAIN, let me point out I'm fully against the adults in this story.RiverguyVT wrote: You don't know that it wouldn't be.
What is a "relationship" if not a 2-way street?
If she sees something deep down, that she believes affects her relationship, then it does. That's my whole point.
It wouldn't affect yours. It would not affect mine.
It does indeed affect hers, if she says that it does.
Is she supposed to have the exact same relationship with God as you? as me? Do you really find that "sad", that she might not?
Based upon what I read about her, she seems like an normal & intelligent young lady.
For the record, i also think it is stupid not to label the 13th floor of a building, they 13th floor. It's the THIRTEENTH FLOOR!
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I'm not condemning her, however you want to interpret what I'm saying.
Val is a preacher, he CLEARLY is being sarcastic.
I didn't see the responses of the other two.
Val is a preacher, he CLEARLY is being sarcastic.
I didn't see the responses of the other two.
RiverguyVT wrote:You want names?Florida Hokie wrote:Who's condemning her?RiverguyVT wrote:I surprised by the condemnation the girl is facing here.
You, Val, BG, chuck.
It is "sad" (she thinks this way).
A bit of mockery.
She's "naive".
"Ridiculous"
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Don't know where I came across as condemning HER. I was just egging BG on with other misguided theological convictions. I love it when he waxes theological.Florida Hokie wrote:I'm not condemning her, however you want to interpret what I'm saying.
Val is a preacher, he CLEARLY is being sarcastic.
I didn't see the responses of the other two.
RiverguyVT wrote:You want names?Florida Hokie wrote:Who's condemning her?RiverguyVT wrote:I surprised by the condemnation the girl is facing here.
You, Val, BG, chuck.
It is "sad" (she thinks this way).
A bit of mockery.
She's "naive".
"Ridiculous"
That being said, I think it's a great opportunity for her parents and/or pastor to explain the significance of said number and "hopefully" help her understand that even in the strictest of literal interpretations of Revelation, a racing bib number is not "the sign of the beast." I think she is free to race without even a hint of wronging her relationship with God. But she needs to be convinced of that herself.
THAT being said, as naive is she is being called, she is giving up something she's worked really hard for on principle. As misguided as I think her understanding is, I do respect her resolve. She's not just turning down a free slurpee, she's setting aside a season of work and apparently accomplishment. That's a principled person and I have to respect that.
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Florida Hokie wrote:Yes, I find it sad. I don't want any part of a deity that would cast judgment upon me for wearing an arbitrarily assigned number in a race. It's the epitome of insecurity. That's why it is sad. That doesn't mean I think she's stupid or a rube. It means I wish she'd be comfortable enough in her faith to feel that God would see that she made no conscious decision to glorify Satan with the number of the Beast. AGAIN, let me point out I'm fully against the adults in this story.RiverguyVT wrote: You don't know that it wouldn't be.
What is a "relationship" if not a 2-way street?
If she sees something deep down, that she believes affects her relationship, then it does. That's my whole point.
It wouldn't affect yours. It would not affect mine.
It does indeed affect hers, if she says that it does.
Is she supposed to have the exact same relationship with God as you? as me? Do you really find that "sad", that she might not?
Based upon what I read about her, she seems like an normal & intelligent young lady.
For the record, i also think it is stupid not to label the 13th floor of a building, they 13th floor. It's the THIRTEENTH FLOOR!
I don't want any part of a deity that would cast judgment upon me for wearing an arbitrarily assigned number in a race
then you surely don't have a part of any such deity. Neither do I. But the girl DOES. Not sure why this is getting by you. You usually grasp this stuff. (I mean that nice, not as a jackarse).
Let's use a movie reference. Running. Chariots of Fire. The main character had a relationship with God whereby God called him to not run on Sunday. Period. So he didn't. God didn't call the other runners to not run on Sunday. God may not be calling me to abide by such a prohibition. God may call me to grow a crazy long beard. He called Noah to do some stuff that looked crazy to Noah's neighbors. God called on this girl to not wear 666. I'm not sad about that. Actually, I'm tickled to death that God is in relationship with the young lady; even if (especially if) that relationship is different than the one He has with me.
It's the epitome of insecurity.
I suggest it is the epitome of teen bravery. Do you know how much crap a teen girl is likely to take over something like that? Did you read how much that meet meant to her, and she gave it up? Insecurity nothing. That kid is inspirational.
I wish she'd be comfortable enough in her faith to feel that God would see that she made no conscious decision to glorify Satan with the number of the Beast.
She's comfortable enough in her faith to do something she feels God directed her upon, even if God didn't direct me and you the same way. She's comfortable in her faith enough to now face all the fallout, the scrutiny, the mockery, and the giving up of a goal that was important to her (the meet). You're suggesting that you know how God sees this situation. Do you? I don't know that I could do that. You know how God talks to & moves you; you really don't know how He'd move and talk to her.
Same one God. But we're multitudes. He speaks to us the same on some things, and individually, differently on others.
So I put (the dead dog) on her doorstep!
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Well said.Valencia Hokie wrote:Don't know where I came across as condemning HER. I was just egging BG on with other misguided theological convictions. I love it when he waxes theological.Florida Hokie wrote:I'm not condemning her, however you want to interpret what I'm saying.
Val is a preacher, he CLEARLY is being sarcastic.
I didn't see the responses of the other two.
RiverguyVT wrote:You want names?Florida Hokie wrote:Who's condemning her?RiverguyVT wrote:I surprised by the condemnation the girl is facing here.
You, Val, BG, chuck.
It is "sad" (she thinks this way).
A bit of mockery.
She's "naive".
"Ridiculous"
That being said, I think it's a great opportunity for her parents and/or pastor to explain the significance of said number and "hopefully" help her understand that even in the strictest of literal interpretations of Revelation, a racing bib number is not "the sign of the beast." I think she is free to race without even a hint of wronging her relationship with God. But she needs to be convinced of that herself.
THAT being said, as naive is she is being called, she is giving up something she's worked really hard for on principle. As misguided as I think her understanding is, I do respect her resolve. She's not just turning down a free slurpee, she's setting aside a season of work and apparently accomplishment. That's a principled person and I have to respect that.
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You're making the assumption that she's been called by God to not wear the bib. That is not an assumption that the others in this thread are taking.RiverguyVT wrote:Florida Hokie wrote:Yes, I find it sad. I don't want any part of a deity that would cast judgment upon me for wearing an arbitrarily assigned number in a race. It's the epitome of insecurity. That's why it is sad. That doesn't mean I think she's stupid or a rube. It means I wish she'd be comfortable enough in her faith to feel that God would see that she made no conscious decision to glorify Satan with the number of the Beast. AGAIN, let me point out I'm fully against the adults in this story.RiverguyVT wrote: You don't know that it wouldn't be.
What is a "relationship" if not a 2-way street?
If she sees something deep down, that she believes affects her relationship, then it does. That's my whole point.
It wouldn't affect yours. It would not affect mine.
It does indeed affect hers, if she says that it does.
Is she supposed to have the exact same relationship with God as you? as me? Do you really find that "sad", that she might not?
Based upon what I read about her, she seems like an normal & intelligent young lady.
For the record, i also think it is stupid not to label the 13th floor of a building, they 13th floor. It's the THIRTEENTH FLOOR!
I don't want any part of a deity that would cast judgment upon me for wearing an arbitrarily assigned number in a race
then you surely don't have a part of any such deity. Neither do I. But the girl DOES. Not sure why this is getting by you. You usually grasp this stuff. (I mean that nice, not as a jackarse).
Let's use a movie reference. Running. Chariots of Fire. The main character had a relationship with God whereby God called him to not run on Sunday. Period. So he didn't. God didn't call the other runners to not run on Sunday. God may not be calling me to abide by such a prohibition. God may call me to grow a crazy long beard. He called Noah to do some stuff that looked crazy to Noah's neighbors. God called on this girl to not wear 666. I'm not sad about that. Actually, I'm tickled to death that God is in relationship with the young lady; even if (especially if) that relationship is different than the one He has with me.
It's the epitome of insecurity.
I suggest it is the epitome of teen bravery. Do you know how much crap a teen girl is likely to take over something like that? Did you read how much that meet meant to her, and she gave it up? Insecurity nothing. That kid is inspirational.
I wish she'd be comfortable enough in her faith to feel that God would see that she made no conscious decision to glorify Satan with the number of the Beast.
She's comfortable enough in her faith to do something she feels God directed her upon, even if God didn't direct me and you the same way. She's comfortable in her faith enough to now face all the fallout, the scrutiny, the mockery, and the giving up of a goal that was important to her (the meet). You're suggesting that you know how God sees this situation. Do you? I don't know that I could do that. You know how God talks to & moves you; you really don't know how He'd move and talk to her.
Same one God. But we're multitudes. He speaks to us the same on some things, and individually, differently on others.
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Maybe it was how I read it; it clearly came off to me that you were mocking her stance (by comparison w/ the "pants" thing). The belittlement was implied, the way I read it.Valencia Hokie wrote:Don't know where I came across as condemning HER. I was just egging BG on with other misguided theological convictions. I love it when he waxes theological.Florida Hokie wrote:I'm not condemning her, however you want to interpret what I'm saying.
Val is a preacher, he CLEARLY is being sarcastic.
I didn't see the responses of the other two.
RiverguyVT wrote:You want names?Florida Hokie wrote:Who's condemning her?RiverguyVT wrote:I surprised by the condemnation the girl is facing here.
You, Val, BG, chuck.
It is "sad" (she thinks this way).
A bit of mockery.
She's "naive".
"Ridiculous"
That being said, I think it's a great opportunity for her parents and/or pastor to explain the significance of said number and "hopefully" help her understand that even in the strictest of literal interpretations of Revelation, a racing bib number is not "the sign of the beast." I think she is free to race without even a hint of wronging her relationship with God. But she needs to be convinced of that herself.
THAT being said, as naive is she is being called, she is giving up something she's worked really hard for on principle. As misguided as I think her understanding is, I do respect her resolve. She's not just turning down a free slurpee, she's setting aside a season of work and apparently accomplishment. That's a principled person and I have to respect that.
I think she is free to race without even a hint of wronging her relationship with God. But she needs to be convinced of that herself. No/yes. You might be free, and I might be free, to race w/ that number. The girl was not. You & I aren't go-betweens in that relationship she has with God. And yes, she needs to be convinced herself. She wasn't.
We're all called individually. Sometimes that can result in differences. Like this one. I don't see where what she claims is in conflict/contrast with biblical dictates. At least, not to my understanding (feeble as it may be). As such, it passes any snuff test I'd give it. We are in agreement about her resolve, and her being principled.
So I put (the dead dog) on her doorstep!
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If that's an assumption on my part... I'll stand with it.VisorBoy wrote: You're making the assumption that she's been called by God to not wear the bib. That is not an assumption that the others in this thread are taking.
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You keep asserting reasons for her decision. None of us are arguing with those points. We are simply saying we would interpret it differently. That's not condemnation. You are also equating what I called an insecurity in faith with a social insecurity. I recognize that she's brave for exposing herself to ACTUAL ridicule (not what is in this forum), but that's not what I'm addressing here.
My stance - AGAIN - is that 1) the adults are jackasses and 2) I don't think she's applying the "rules" around the Number of the Beast in a way that is commanded by any kind off Christian doctrine (and YES I RECOGNIZE SHE DOES.)
My stance - AGAIN - is that 1) the adults are jackasses and 2) I don't think she's applying the "rules" around the Number of the Beast in a way that is commanded by any kind off Christian doctrine (and YES I RECOGNIZE SHE DOES.)
RiverguyVT wrote:Maybe it was how I read it; it clearly came off to me that you were mocking her stance (by comparison w/ the "pants" thing). The belittlement was implied, the way I read it.
I think she is free to race without even a hint of wronging her relationship with God. But she needs to be convinced of that herself. No/yes. You might be free, and I might be free, to race w/ that number. The girl was not. You & I aren't go-betweens in that relationship she has with God. And yes, she needs to be convinced herself. She wasn't.
We're all called individually. Sometimes that can result in differences. Like this one. I don't see where what she claims is in conflict/contrast with biblical dictates. At least, not to my understanding (feeble as it may be). As such, it passes any snuff test I'd give it. We are in agreement about her resolve, and her being principled.
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I was born May 13 at 4:36 AM, (4+3+6=13) 2 of my daughters were born August 13 and Dec 13. The third (the dislexic one) was born on July 31. I too have 13 leters in my name and the place I live has 13 letters also.
[quote="Major Kong FTR I was born on Friday June 13, '58 (5+8=13) at just after 1:00PM (13:00)...there are 13 letters in my name. 13 is a number which strikes absolutely no fear in me. [/quote]
[quote="Major Kong FTR I was born on Friday June 13, '58 (5+8=13) at just after 1:00PM (13:00)...there are 13 letters in my name. 13 is a number which strikes absolutely no fear in me. [/quote]
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You do see the box you're opening, right? Step away from the cliff...very slowly.
I think she is free to race without even a hint of wronging her relationship with God. But she needs to be convinced of that herself. No/yes. You might be free, and I might be free, to race w/ that number. The girl was not. You & I aren't go-betweens in that relationship she has with God. And yes, she needs to be convinced herself. She wasn't.
We're all called individually. Sometimes that can result in differences. Like this one. I don't see where what she claims is in conflict/contrast with biblical dictates. At least, not to my understanding (feeble as it may be). As such, it passes any snuff test I'd give it. We are in agreement about her resolve, and her being principled.[/quote]
Maybe it was how I read it; it clearly came off to me that you were mocking her stance (by comparison w/ the "pants" thing). The belittlement was implied, the way I read it.Don't know where I came across as condemning HER. I was just egging BG on with other misguided theological convictions. I love it when he waxes theological.
That being said, I think it's a great opportunity for her parents and/or pastor to explain the significance of said number and "hopefully" help her understand that even in the strictest of literal interpretations of Revelation, a racing bib number is not "the sign of the beast." I think she is free to race without even a hint of wronging her relationship with God. But she needs to be convinced of that herself.
THAT being said, as naive is she is being called, she is giving up something she's worked really hard for on principle. As misguided as I think her understanding is, I do respect her resolve. She's not just turning down a free slurpee, she's setting aside a season of work and apparently accomplishment. That's a principled person and I have to respect that.
I think she is free to race without even a hint of wronging her relationship with God. But she needs to be convinced of that herself. No/yes. You might be free, and I might be free, to race w/ that number. The girl was not. You & I aren't go-betweens in that relationship she has with God. And yes, she needs to be convinced herself. She wasn't.
We're all called individually. Sometimes that can result in differences. Like this one. I don't see where what she claims is in conflict/contrast with biblical dictates. At least, not to my understanding (feeble as it may be). As such, it passes any snuff test I'd give it. We are in agreement about her resolve, and her being principled.[/quote]
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Re: Girl refuses to wear 666 bib for race
.....women's right to choose.
Excellent.
Excellent.
RiverguyVT wrote:One of the article's commenters noted something I did.
The Yahoo! writers used "purported" in describing the girl's faith.
She said this is something she believes. Why bring her integrity into question? The only way the word "purported" would make sense is if the writer is saying that 'the girl said this is her belief, but there's room to think she doesn't really believe it'
I also chuckle at the athiests & apparent left-leaners who mock her.
?What ever happened to a woman's right to choose?
If you bend over backwards long enough,
eventually you'll fall down.
eventually you'll fall down.
Re: Girl refuses to wear 666 bib for race
I just want to know whether Noah put two kinds of every dinosaur on the Ark!
http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... -the-bible
Or did he leave them behind and that's how they died out?
http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-ark1.html
Nope definitely included dinosaurs.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... -the-bible
Or did he leave them behind and that's how they died out?
http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-ark1.html
Nope definitely included dinosaurs.
Valencia Hokie wrote:Don't know where I came across as condemning HER. I was just egging BG on with other misguided theological convictions. I love it when he waxes theological.Florida Hokie wrote:I'm not condemning her, however you want to interpret what I'm saying.
Val is a preacher, he CLEARLY is being sarcastic.
I didn't see the responses of the other two.
RiverguyVT wrote:You want names?Florida Hokie wrote:Who's condemning her?RiverguyVT wrote:I surprised by the condemnation the girl is facing here.
You, Val, BG, chuck.
It is "sad" (she thinks this way).
A bit of mockery.
She's "naive".
"Ridiculous"
That being said, I think it's a great opportunity for her parents and/or pastor to explain the significance of said number and "hopefully" help her understand that even in the strictest of literal interpretations of Revelation, a racing bib number is not "the sign of the beast." I think she is free to race without even a hint of wronging her relationship with God. But she needs to be convinced of that herself.
THAT being said, as naive is she is being called, she is giving up something she's worked really hard for on principle. As misguided as I think her understanding is, I do respect her resolve. She's not just turning down a free slurpee, she's setting aside a season of work and apparently accomplishment. That's a principled person and I have to respect that.
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Re: Girl refuses to wear 666 bib for race
Dinosaur bones are "planted" by atheists attempting to throw us off the trail. I thought you were informed.
BG Hokie wrote:I just want to know whether Noah put two kinds of every dinosaur on the Ark!
http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... -the-bible
Or did he leave them behind and that's how they died out?
http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-ark1.html
Nope definitely included dinosaurs.