Virginia to end concealed carry reciprocity

[awesome guy]

thanks NOVA idiots.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vi ... ?tid=sm_fb

[ip_law-hokie]

thanks NOVA idiots.

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[awesome guy]

thanks NOVA idiots.

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I hope you're more intelligent in your personal life than you are here.

[CWHOKIECPA]

thanks NOVA idiots.

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Finally, laws are being passed that will save countless lives.

[awesome guy]

thanks NOVA idiots.

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Finally, laws are being passed that will save countless lives.

We can count them, 0. That's number of people fitting into this bracket the anti-constitution democrats are after.

[Homebrew]

Where's the data justifying this action? Th Governor needs to quantify the number of recip CCW holders in VA that would be legally barred from obtaining a Va CCW permit.

[HokieJoe]

thanks NOVA idiots.

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Finally, laws are being passed that will save countless lives.

It's by executive/judicial fiat- like many other progressive douchebag initiatives. McAulliffe didn't have the balls to try to get this dogsqueeze passed thru the legislature. All I can say is, wait until the shoe is on the other foot proggies. You won't like.

Ordinarily, I wouldn't either, but I'm long past giving a shiite. I'm sick of this end-around BS. If you want a GD banana republic, then get ready for the party.

[HokieJoe]

[BigDave]

Finally, laws are being passed that will save countless lives.

Which laws are those?

[USN_Hokie]

Finally, laws are being passed that will save countless lives.

Which laws are those?

If you want to be technical, the AG provided an interpretation of the law.

[HokieDan95]

it a "thank you" move to Bloomberg for all the money he gave Va Democrats in the last election

[ip_law-hokie]

it a "thank you" move to Bloomberg for all the money he gave Va Democrats in the last election

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[awesome guy]

Where's the data justifying this action? Th Governor needs to quantify the number of recip CCW holders in VA that would be legally barred from obtaining a Va CCW permit.

I haven't seen a single case where someone getting a CCW out of state caused a shooting. This is just silly and harasses people traveling through VA. I have some friends up north that travel through to NC and are perplexed by this. This move the by the governor is just chum for the low info types and makes life more challenging for people following the law. Does nothing to deter criminal activity.

[ElbertoHokie]

Where's the data justifying this action? Th Governor needs to quantify the number of recip CCW holders in VA that would be legally barred from obtaining a Va CCW permit.

I haven't seen a single case where someone getting a CCW out of state caused a shooting. This is just silly and harasses people traveling through VA. I have some friends up north that travel through to NC and are perplexed by this. This move the by the governor is just chum for the low info types and makes life more challenging for people following the law. Does nothing to deter criminal activity.

I don't have any data but i but I don't imagine the fact whether they had a CCW would be publicized. I'm sure it's known by police. I can't imagine the number is 0 but I also can't imagine the number is very high.

[awesome guy]

Where's the data justifying this action? Th Governor needs to quantify the number of recip CCW holders in VA that would be legally barred from obtaining a Va CCW permit.

I haven't seen a single case where someone getting a CCW out of state caused a shooting. This is just silly and harasses people traveling through VA. I have some friends up north that travel through to NC and are perplexed by this. This move the by the governor is just chum for the low info types and makes life more challenging for people following the law. Does nothing to deter criminal activity.

I don't have any data but i but I don't imagine the fact whether they had a CCW would be publicized. I'm sure it's known by police. I can't imagine the number is 0 but I also can't imagine the number is very high.

I'm sure it would be publicized. It's nonsense to associate CCW reciprocality with an increase crime. They're for defensive purposes. The people getting them have them to protect themselves, not as a permission slip to commit other crimes. If anything, it would put people at risk, like the lady in NJ who was being stalked by an ex and couldn't get a CCW permit within months. She was killed by her ex and could have legally defended herself if she had her CCW permit. People like that are affected by this, not criminals.

[Hokie5150]

thanks NOVA idiots.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vi ... ?tid=sm_fb

They should do the same with marriage licenses...oh, that's right, they can't. More liberal hypocrisy...

[Uprising]

thanks NOVA idiots.

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They should do the same with marriage licenses...oh, that's right, they can't. More liberal hypocrisy...

Yes they can. What they can't do is do it based on discriminatory reasons, i.e. they can't deny only marriage between same sex couples from one state but allow other marriages from that state. Not to mention the public backlash would be overwhelming and thus politically prohibitive.

[133743Hokie]

thanks NOVA idiots.

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Good stuff.


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Finally, laws are being passed that will save countless lives.

It's by executive/judicial fiat- like many other progressive douchebag initiatives. McAulliffe didn't have the balls to try to get this dogsqueeze passed thru the legislature. All I can say is, wait until the shoe is on the other foot proggies. You won't like.

Ordinarily, I wouldn't either, but I'm long past giving a shiite. I'm sick of this end-around BS. If you want a GD banana republic, then get ready for the party.

Not a fan but not something to go thru the legislature either. The GA passed a CC law with a certain framework. What the Gov/AG has done is eliminate reciprocity with those states that have CC regs/processes that are more lax or lenient than VAs. In fact VA still has reciprocity with some states as their laws are equivalent or more stringent.

[awesome guy]

thanks NOVA idiots.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vi ... ?tid=sm_fb

Good stuff.


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Finally, laws are being passed that will save countless lives.

It's by executive/judicial fiat- like many other progressive douchebag initiatives. McAulliffe didn't have the balls to try to get this dogsqueeze passed thru the legislature. All I can say is, wait until the shoe is on the other foot proggies. You won't like.

Ordinarily, I wouldn't either, but I'm long past giving a shiite. I'm sick of this end-around BS. If you want a GD banana republic, then get ready for the party.

Not a fan but not something to go thru the legislature either. The GA passed a CC law with a certain framework. What the Gov/AG has done is eliminate reciprocity with those states that have CC regs/processes that are more lax or lenient than VAs. In fact VA still has reciprocity with some states as their laws are equivalent or more stringent.

why not? And do we trust this AG and governor to honestly assess equivalency? I think it's mostly payback to Bloomberg for the anti-gun money.

[USN_Hokie]

Where's the data justifying this action? Th Governor needs to quantify the number of recip CCW holders in VA that would be legally barred from obtaining a Va CCW permit.

I haven't seen a single case where someone getting a CCW out of state caused a shooting. This is just silly and harasses people traveling through VA. I have some friends up north that travel through to NC and are perplexed by this. This move the by the governor is just chum for the low info types and makes life more challenging for people following the law. Does nothing to deter criminal activity.

I don't have any data but i but I don't imagine the fact whether they had a CCW would be publicized.

Actually, it is. When someone is arrested, they'll list the charges. When was the last time you read about someone from another state being charged with carrying a concealed handgun without a permit?

[USN_Hokie]

What the Gov/AG has done is eliminate reciprocity with those states that have CC regs/processes that are more lax or lenient than VAs.

That's a gross oversimplification at best. There are plenty of states with far more stringent concealed carry laws which are not on that list. The AG is nit-picking with the sole purpose of suppressing people's right to bear arms.

I have a Florida permit. I have a Virginia permit. The conditions to get a permit are exactly the same. Both states take fingerprints - they even use the same card and have the same notary requirement. Both use a NICS check before issuing a permit.

My guess is that the AG looked at what crimes the states report to the NICS system as prohibitive. There will be nuances between the States as each state writes its own laws. He used this to nit pick technicalities. Here's the rub though: a NICS check doesn't change depending on where its initiated. So, if someone in Fl was convicted of a crime which would prohibit them in VA, a VA NICS check wouldn't pop. So that same person could get a VA issued permit no problem.

Now, on the other hand, MD's permit system is so strict that I can't even get a permit. But somehow, a MD permit isn't good in VA anyways.

This is going to end up hurting Virginians more than out of state people as the dropped states start responding in kind.

ETA: the other stupid nuance he's probably using is the difference between a concealed handgun permit (what VA issues) and a concealed weapon permit (what some other States issue). CWP's usually include archaic weapons like "blackjacks" (Google that one to see how stupid this is) and ninja throwing stars which were banned after west side story came out.

[USN_Hokie]

thanks NOVA idiots.

Don't forget all the Sarvis voters. At least they can go to sleep at night confident that women aren't being raped with ultrasounds....

[ip_law-hokie]

thanks NOVA idiots.

Don't forget all the Sarvis voters. At least they can go to sleep at night confident that women aren't being raped with ultrasounds....

I don't think most people care as much as you do.

[Hokie5150]

thanks NOVA idiots.

Don't forget all the Sarvis voters. At least they can go to sleep at night confident that women aren't being raped with ultrasounds....

Why do people persist with this false argument?