Is there a true dem or liberal on this board?

[USN_Hokie]

Just curious. Have you guys run them all off? I thought guys like Nolan or IP were Democrats, but they are claiming to be moderate Republicans. I guess it WAS me and HT. You guys attacked every aspect of my being and career, so I left. And it seems HT's found it redeeming to come here and drop outrageous bombs and watch as the dust settles. Anyhow, are there any real liberals here?

I know we're out there. Compared to the recent brand of American conservatism, most of the world's population would be considered liberal.

To name a few: absolutevt03, TheH2, BG Hokie, Uprising, VoiceofReason, Visorboy, HvilleHokie.

As I've noted before, you are good at lecturing others, but not a good listener/observer.

Well there ya go. There's a few I guess. I obviously haven't been around as much lately. You're right. It was just quite shocking to see guys I perceived as pretty dang liberal out themselves as Republican voters 85% of the time. And is it just me, or have many of the UWS moderates here moved to the right? Just curious.

The nature of this board is topics are driven by the far right crowd and people generally post where they disagree with a post - you don't see long threads of "I agree", the mega threads are on topics or subtopics where there's an argument. So people that are actually moderate or moderate-conservatives in real life come off as more liberal (in the Democrat sense) here because their posts focus on areas they disagree with a far right position.

Out of USN's list, I'd guess only Uprising and VoiceofReason identify with the Democratic party or would call themselves left-of-center.

Uprising and VoR are to the left of mainstream democrats. BG, visorboy, and absolute are absolutely liberals. I forgot 'ol Elberto too....definitely a card-carrying liberal.

[ieatbacon]

Just curious. Have you guys run them all off? I thought guys like Nolan or IP were Democrats, but they are claiming to be moderate Republicans. I guess it WAS me and HT. You guys attacked every aspect of my being and career, so I left. And it seems HT's found it redeeming to come here and drop outrageous bombs and watch as the dust settles. Anyhow, are there any real liberals here?

I know we're out there. Compared to the recent brand of American conservatism, most of the world's population would be considered liberal.

To name a few: absolutevt03, TheH2, BG Hokie, Uprising, VoiceofReason, Visorboy, HvilleHokie.

As I've noted before, you are good at lecturing others, but not a good listener/observer.

Well there ya go. There's a few I guess. I obviously haven't been around as much lately. You're right. It was just quite shocking to see guys I perceived as pretty dang liberal out themselves as Republican voters 85% of the time. And is it just me, or have many of the UWS moderates here moved to the right? Just curious.

The nature of this board is topics are driven by the far right crowd and people generally post where they disagree with a post - you don't see long threads of "I agree", the mega threads are on topics or subtopics where there's an argument. So people that are actually moderate or moderate-conservatives in real life come off as more liberal (in the Democrat sense) here because their posts focus on areas they disagree with a far right position.

Out of USN's list, I'd guess only Uprising and VoiceofReason identify with the Democratic party or would call themselves left-of-center.

Uprising and VoR are to the left of mainstream democrats. BG, visorboy, and absolute are absolutely liberals. I forgot 'ol Elberto too....definitely a card-carrying liberal.

Then why does BG claim to vote for Republicans? Do you think he's lying about that for some sort of UWS debate tactical advantage or something? I'm curious how this logic plays out...

[USN_Hokie]

There's a lot of group think reinforcement here. This board is not representative of the USA and its political spectrum as a whole, I think that's pretty easy for anyone to see. The more someone of any party surrounds himself(or herself) with like minds, the more extreme their views will always shift due to that positive reinforcement. Crazy suddenly becomes less and less crazy until you've reached a new normal.

Very true - look at JFK. He'd be a Republican if he were running today. He'd certainly be to the right of John McCain, for example.

[ip_law-hokie]

Just curious. Have you guys run them all off? I thought guys like Nolan or IP were Democrats, but they are claiming to be moderate Republicans. I guess it WAS me and HT. You guys attacked every aspect of my being and career, so I left. And it seems HT's found it redeeming to come here and drop outrageous bombs and watch as the dust settles. Anyhow, are there any real liberals here?

I know we're out there. Compared to the recent brand of American conservatism, most of the world's population would be considered liberal.

To name a few: absolutevt03, TheH2, BG Hokie, Uprising, VoiceofReason, Visorboy, HvilleHokie.

As I've noted before, you are good at lecturing others, but not a good listener/observer.

Well there ya go. There's a few I guess. I obviously haven't been around as much lately. You're right. It was just quite shocking to see guys I perceived as pretty dang liberal out themselves as Republican voters 85% of the time. And is it just me, or have many of the UWS moderates here moved to the right? Just curious.

The nature of this board is topics are driven by the far right crowd and people generally post where they disagree with a post - you don't see long threads of "I agree", the mega threads are on topics or subtopics where there's an argument. So people that are actually moderate or moderate-conservatives in real life come off as more liberal (in the Democrat sense) here because their posts focus on areas they disagree with a far right position.

Out of USN's list, I'd guess only Uprising and VoiceofReason identify with the Democratic party or would call themselves left-of-center.

Uprising and VoR are to the left of mainstream democrats. BG, visorboy, and absolute are absolutely liberals. I forgot 'ol Elberto too....definitely a card-carrying liberal.

Then why does BG claim to vote for Republicans? Do you think he's lying about that for some sort of UWS debate tactical advantage or something? I'm curious how this logic plays out...

USN is a gun luster. Also a MIC neo-con. If you don't subscribe to either, you are a lib.


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[ElbertoHokie]

There's a lot of group think reinforcement here. This board is not representative of the USA and its political spectrum as a whole, I think that's pretty easy for anyone to see. The more someone of any party surrounds himself(or herself) with like minds, the more extreme their views will always shift due to that positive reinforcement. Crazy suddenly becomes less and less crazy until you've reached a new normal.

Very true - look at JFK. He'd be a Republican if he were running today. He'd certainly be to the right of John McCain, for example.

I think both sides have gone more to crazy.

It's about time for a third party to jump in and try and grab the middle. That would force both the republicans and democrats to trot back to the middle. A large portion of the left leaning and right leaning people aren't voting for their respective party, they're voting against the other one. I think all of donald trump's fanbase is really just voting against everyone else. It's them raising their political middle finger.

[USN_Hokie]

Then why does BG claim to vote for Republicans? Do you think he's lying about that for some sort of UWS debate tactical advantage or something? I'm curious how this logic plays out...

So what? You probably would say the same, no? It might be a rouse, or he might actually believe it (maybe he voted for Bush in '92...or the republican treasurer for his township). Hell, a lot of voters are just unprincipled, straight-up idiots whose opinions only verify they're able to string together sentences on a keyboard.

[BG Hokie]

Then why does BG claim to vote for Republicans? Do you think he's lying about that for some sort of UWS debate tactical advantage or something? I'm curious how this logic plays out...

So what? You probably would say the same, no? It might be a rouse, or he might actually believe it (maybe he voted for Bush in '92...or the republican treasurer for his township). Hell, a lot of voters are just unprincipled, straight-up idiots whose opinions only verify they're able to string together sentences on a keyboard.

USN Hokie likes butt stuff and I think that's his prerogative. There, I'm liberal on the gaze!

[absolutvt03]

Then why does BG claim to vote for Republicans? Do you think he's lying about that for some sort of UWS debate tactical advantage or something? I'm curious how this logic plays out...

So what? You probably would say the same, no? It might be a rouse, or he might actually believe it (maybe he voted for Bush in '92...or the republican treasurer for his township). Hell, a lot of voters are just unprincipled, straight-up idiots whose opinions only verify they're able to string together sentences on a keyboard.

USN Hokie likes butt stuff and I think that's his prerogative. There, I'm liberal on the gaze!

By his own logic, he's remained silent on the matter in this thread and therefore supports it.

[Hokie5150]

I'm not the ignorant one Ace ...

Your posts on the matter of libertarianism and classic liberalism show quite plainly otherwise...

[awesome guy]

I'm not the ignorant one Ace ...

Your posts on the matter of libertarianism and classic liberalism show quite plainly otherwise...

Another swing and a miss. Classical liberalism isn't libertarianism. At best, you're conflating federalism with libertarianism. But I think ya'll like to say such ignorant things to take on a legacy that you don't have.

[USN_Hokie]

Then why does BG claim to vote for Republicans? Do you think he's lying about that for some sort of UWS debate tactical advantage or something? I'm curious how this logic plays out...

So what? You probably would say the same, no? It might be a rouse, or he might actually believe it (maybe he voted for Bush in '92...or the republican treasurer for his township). Hell, a lot of voters are just unprincipled, straight-up idiots whose opinions only verify they're able to string together sentences on a keyboard.

USN Hokie likes butt stuff and I think that's his prerogative. There, I'm liberal on the gaze!

Ahh, so you are the same BG from the lounge. Makes sense. Chive on, retard.

[USN_Hokie]

Then why does BG claim to vote for Republicans? Do you think he's lying about that for some sort of UWS debate tactical advantage or something? I'm curious how this logic plays out...

So what? You probably would say the same, no? It might be a rouse, or he might actually believe it (maybe he voted for Bush in '92...or the republican treasurer for his township). Hell, a lot of voters are just unprincipled, straight-up idiots whose opinions only verify they're able to string together sentences on a keyboard.

USN Hokie likes butt stuff and I think that's his prerogative. There, I'm liberal on the gaze!

By his own logic, he's remained silent on the matter in this thread and therefore supports it.

Who are you a retread of? Shortstumphokie? He always used to make incoherent arguments and then run away, sort of like you.

[ip_law-hokie]

Then why does BG claim to vote for Republicans? Do you think he's lying about that for some sort of UWS debate tactical advantage or something? I'm curious how this logic plays out...

So what? You probably would say the same, no? It might be a rouse, or he might actually believe it (maybe he voted for Bush in '92...or the republican treasurer for his township). Hell, a lot of voters are just unprincipled, straight-up idiots whose opinions only verify they're able to string together sentences on a keyboard.

USN Hokie likes butt stuff and I think that's his prerogative. There, I'm liberal on the gaze!

Ahh, so you are the same BG from the lounge. Makes sense. Chive on, retard.

Hey Chief. If you have a problem with BG, then you have a problem with me. Where are you physically located right now?

[awesome guy]

Then why does BG claim to vote for Republicans? Do you think he's lying about that for some sort of UWS debate tactical advantage or something? I'm curious how this logic plays out...

So what? You probably would say the same, no? It might be a rouse, or he might actually believe it (maybe he voted for Bush in '92...or the republican treasurer for his township). Hell, a lot of voters are just unprincipled, straight-up idiots whose opinions only verify they're able to string together sentences on a keyboard.

USN Hokie likes butt stuff and I think that's his prerogative. There, I'm liberal on the gaze!

By his own logic, he's remained silent on the matter in this thread and therefore supports it.

Who are you a retread of? Shortstumphokie? He always used to make incoherent arguments and then run away, sort of like you.

Shortpump was way more angry in my opinion. Absolute has the same mental capabilities of Diggety, though is more verbose in his ramblings.

[RiverguyVT]

Hey Chief. If you have a problem with BG, then you have a problem with me. Where are you physically located right now?

I can recommend a Starbuck's at the intersection of Three Chopt and Patterson, near U of R.

[nolanvt]

I like it. This will be like the time that AG and Pancaker were supposed to meet at that bar, but neither of them (probably, and wisely) showed up.

[BG Hokie]

Then why does BG claim to vote for Republicans? Do you think he's lying about that for some sort of UWS debate tactical advantage or something? I'm curious how this logic plays out...

So what? You probably would say the same, no? It might be a rouse, or he might actually believe it (maybe he voted for Bush in '92...or the republican treasurer for his township). Hell, a lot of voters are just unprincipled, straight-up idiots whose opinions only verify they're able to string together sentences on a keyboard.

USN Hokie likes butt stuff and I think that's his prerogative. There, I'm liberal on the gaze!

Ahh, so you are the same BG from the lounge. Makes sense. Chive on, retard.

Hey Chief. If you have a problem with BG, then you have a problem with me. Where are you physically located right now?

Really strong post, ip. USN Hokie is the type of neck that wears a Cooter brimmed hat with a fishing hook on it. He's a really cool feller.

[awesome guy]

I like it. This will be like the time that AG and Pancaker were supposed to meet at that bar, but neither of them (probably, and wisely) showed up.

dur de dur.

[USN_Hokie]

Really strong post, ip. USN Hokie is the type of neck that wears a Cooter brimmed hat with a fishing hook on it. He's a really cool feller.

I like how you chivers put the stickers on the back of your car. Makes it easier to identify the low self-esteem, underachieving, alcoholic white trash on the road.

[awesome guy]

Then why does BG claim to vote for Republicans? Do you think he's lying about that for some sort of UWS debate tactical advantage or something? I'm curious how this logic plays out...

So what? You probably would say the same, no? It might be a rouse, or he might actually believe it (maybe he voted for Bush in '92...or the republican treasurer for his township). Hell, a lot of voters are just unprincipled, straight-up idiots whose opinions only verify they're able to string together sentences on a keyboard.

USN Hokie likes butt stuff and I think that's his prerogative. There, I'm liberal on the gaze!

Ahh, so you are the same BG from the lounge. Makes sense. Chive on, retard.

Hey Chief. If you have a problem with BG, then you have a problem with me. Where are you physically located right now?

Really strong post, ip. USN Hokie is the type of neck that wears a Cooter brimmed hat with a fishing hook on it. He's a really cool feller.

Are you mad at him burning you on the lounge?

[HokieHam]

Now all we need is for FloHo to show up and cry for another Pledge.....

[BG Hokie]

Just curious. Have you guys run them all off? I thought guys like Nolan or IP were Democrats, but they are claiming to be moderate Republicans. I guess it WAS me and HT. You guys attacked every aspect of my being and career, so I left. And it seems HT's found it redeeming to come here and drop outrageous bombs and watch as the dust settles. Anyhow, are there any real liberals here?

I know we're out there. Compared to the recent brand of American conservatism, most of the world's population would be considered liberal.

To name a few: absolutevt03, TheH2, BG Hokie, Uprising, VoiceofReason, Visorboy, HvilleHokie.

As I've noted before, you are good at lecturing others, but not a good listener/observer.

Well there ya go. There's a few I guess. I obviously haven't been around as much lately. You're right. It was just quite shocking to see guys I perceived as pretty dang liberal out themselves as Republican voters 85% of the time. And is it just me, or have many of the UWS moderates here moved to the right? Just curious.

The nature of this board is topics are driven by the far right crowd and people generally post where they disagree with a post - you don't see long threads of "I agree", the mega threads are on topics or subtopics where there's an argument. So people that are actually moderate or moderate-conservatives in real life come off as more liberal (in the Democrat sense) here because their posts focus on areas they disagree with a far right position.

Out of USN's list, I'd guess only Uprising and VoiceofReason identify with the Democratic party or would call themselves left-of-center.

Uprising and VoR are to the left of mainstream democrats. BG, visorboy, and absolute are absolutely liberals. I forgot 'ol Elberto too....definitely a card-carrying liberal.

Maybe regretfully so, but I think I'm willing to actually engage you and understand why it is you think I am a liberal? What particular positions have I taken in which that is the case?

[BG Hokie]

Are you mad at him burning you on the lounge?

What, specifically, are you talking about? I'm not familiar.

[awesome guy]

Are you mad at him burning you on the lounge?

What, specifically, are you talking about? I'm not familiar.

Your dumb Cooter dig.

[USN_Hokie]

I'm not the ignorant one Ace ...

Your posts on the matter of libertarianism and classic liberalism show quite plainly otherwise...

Another swing and a miss. Classical liberalism isn't libertarianism. At best, you're conflating federalism with libertarianism. But I think ya'll like to say such ignorant things to take on a legacy that you don't have.

Actually, in The Road the Serfdom, Hayek refers to himself and his political theory as "liberalism." The modern forward in recent editions has a good discussion on the etymology of the word, which was commonly used to describe what would be called libertarianism today in the pre-WW2 period, but mostly in Britain.

ETA: With that said, Hayek would roll in his grave if he knew TheH2 was calling himself a classical liberal.