Trump voters are ready to risk everything. Why?

[Major Kong]

2a. Right, because they're not in Group A.
2b. IMO, the people watching Dancing with the Stars/Owe my balls instead of participating in the primary process are the dumbest.

That's Ow my balls Owe my balls is what you owe if you use payroll advance establishments.

[HokieFanDC]

I think it's almost certain he isn't what he appears to be on TV. But, if he's playing with the media, he's also playing with the voters. They are voting for the TV Trump, not a guy who is going to scale back on everything he says he'll do, or completely change his position. Which is what I think you'll get.

He's a businessman. The Primary is a boardroom of investors he's trying to convince to do business to him. When (if) he campaigns before the general election boardroom, he'll present a different portfolio to those investors. You watch - IF he wins the primary, he will tack left hard enough to make John McCain blush. I'm calling it again - he'll pick a democrat (Webb) for his running mate.

Not sure how that is any different than what I said, ie completely change his position.
This isn't a boardroom or investor pitch. If he presented his product to group A, and said it was one thing, and then presented his product to group B, and said it was something different, group A and group B would call him a fraud.

1. I was agreeing with you, dufus - and providing an anecdote.
2. The deal changes. Group A is now left to choose between the liar who said things they liked 4 months ago (and is maybe just lying to Group B?), and Hillary. Group B (the general electorate) are generally just imbeciles who weren't paying attention to the negotiations with Group A (and are maybe thinking he lied to Group A). All voters are stupid, but "moderates/undecideds" are the dumbest of the dumb.

1. Does not compute!
2. I'm pretty sure it's not moderates/undecideds who are supporting Trump...and it's the Trump supporters who are the dumbest of the dumb.

2a. Right, because they're not in Group A.
2b. IMO, the people watching Dancing with the Stars/Owe my balls instead of participating in the primary process are the dumbest.

I would think that Dancing With the Stars/Owe my balls (huh?) are probably Trump supporters.

[USN_Hokie]

2a. Right, because they're not in Group A.
2b. IMO, the people watching Dancing with the Stars/Owe my balls instead of participating in the primary process are the dumbest.

That's Ow my balls Owe my balls is what you owe if you use payroll advance establishments.

Ow my balls...

[USN_Hokie]

I would think that Dancing With the Stars/Owe my balls (huh?) are probably Trump supporters.

Documentary reference.

[HokieJoe]

I think it's almost certain he isn't what he appears to be on TV. But, if he's playing with the media, he's also playing with the voters. They are voting for the TV Trump, not a guy who is going to scale back on everything he says he'll do, or completely change his position. Which is what I think you'll get.

He's a businessman. The Primary is a boardroom of investors he's trying to convince to do business to him. When (if) he campaigns before the general election boardroom, he'll present a different portfolio to those investors. You watch - IF he wins the primary, he will tack left hard enough to make John McCain blush. I'm calling it again - he'll pick a democrat (Webb) for his running mate.

That's who I think Clinton will pick. Warner won't go near Trump with a 10ft pole imo.

[burgrugby]

Would it be unfair to say that your criteria was based on emotion?

Not really. My anger at the GOP establishment is of course emotional. But that emotion is based on their betrayal to the voters. They were voted into power to stop Obama's horrible policies and they caved at every chance.

As for my non-emotional reasons for supporting Trump, a few of them are:

1. I want illegal immigration stopped. I want our border protected. I believe he will do this. The media is making him out to be against all immigration and I don't believe he is anti immigrant at all. He is anti illegal immigrant. He also states that we need to slow down immigration of poor, uneducated, unskilled workers and open immigration up to educated, skilled workers. I strongly agree with him on all points here.
2. I am very pro 2nd amendment. I don't want any more gun laws passed and there are several I'd like to see rolled back. Trump says he will strongly support the 2nd amendment and not pass any more laws. I strongly support him there.
3. Trump said he doesn't want to take any muslim refugees and wants to stop muslim immigration until he can be assured our vetting process is effective. It may not be popular, but I agree with him here. I'm fine with American born muslims who have been raised here and just want to pursue the American dream. I realize that many immigrants want the same thing, but unfortunately there are also a lot of immigrants who hold radical Islamic beliefs and until we can find a way to distinguish the two, I believe stopping it all is the only responsible thing to do. It's our government's duty to protect its current citizens, not to put them in danger for political correctness.
4. Countries like China ARE manipulating their currency and not playing fair in the world financial market. Our current government is too afraid to do anything because China holds all our debt and they feel that gives China all the power. I think Trump will do something. For one, China's economy relies on us purchasing all their crap. Because of that, we too have power. We can put import taxes on their crap or stop buying it and their economy will collapse.
5. China, Russia, and Iran are constantly hacking us, stealing intellectual property, etc and we are doing nothing about it. I think Trump will pressure them into slowing down.

On the touchy feely side, Trump is a successful business man. He knows how to build a company. He understands market and how the government can help and hurt the economy. He hasn't gotten to where he is by being dumb and not surrounding himself with good people. I believe as President, he will surround himself with the best people (advisors), hold them accountable, and turn the Country around. Almost nothing can be worse than the last 8 years. Clinton will be an extension of the last 8 years or worse. I still think she may end up indicted before it's all over.

[HokieJoe]

As a generic voter, I think a more apt question is, why not? We're $20 trillion in debt, how much worse can it get? I differ, but most people don't follow politics like I do.

[Major Kong]

FTFY.

[HokieFanDC]

Would it be unfair to say that your criteria was based on emotion?

Not really. My anger at the GOP establishment is of course emotional. But that emotion is based on their betrayal to the voters. They were voted into power to stop Obama's horrible policies and they caved at every chance.

As for my non-emotional reasons for supporting Trump, a few of them are:

1. I want illegal immigration stopped. I want our border protected. I believe he will do this. The media is making him out to be against all immigration and I don't believe he is anti immigrant at all. He is anti illegal immigrant. He also states that we need to slow down immigration of poor, uneducated, unskilled workers and open immigration up to educated, skilled workers. I strongly agree with him on all points here.
2. I am very pro 2nd amendment. I don't want any more gun laws passed and there are several I'd like to see rolled back. Trump says he will strongly support the 2nd amendment and not pass any more laws. I strongly support him there.
3. Trump said he doesn't want to take any muslim refugees and wants to stop muslim immigration until he can be assured our vetting process is effective. It may not be popular, but I agree with him here. I'm fine with American born muslims who have been raised here and just want to pursue the American dream. I realize that many immigrants want the same thing, but unfortunately there are also a lot of immigrants who hold radical Islamic beliefs and until we can find a way to distinguish the two, I believe stopping it all is the only responsible thing to do. It's our government's duty to protect its current citizens, not to put them in danger for political correctness.
4. Countries like China ARE manipulating their currency and not playing fair in the world financial market. Our current government is too afraid to do anything because China holds all our debt and they feel that gives China all the power. I think Trump will do something. For one, China's economy relies on us purchasing all their crap. Because of that, we too have power. We can put import taxes on their crap or stop buying it and their economy will collapse.
5. China, Russia, and Iran are constantly hacking us, stealing intellectual property, etc and we are doing nothing about it. I think Trump will pressure them into slowing down.

On the touchy feely side, Trump is a successful business man. He knows how to build a company. He understands market and how the government can help and hurt the economy. He hasn't gotten to where he is by being dumb and not surrounding himself with good people. I believe as President, he will surround himself with the best people (advisors), hold them accountable, and turn the Country around. Almost nothing can be worse than the last 8 years. Clinton will be an extension of the last 8 years or worse. I still think she may end up indicted before it's all over.

Trump's understanding of international trade is scary bad. You should read some of the pieces by economists about his trade proposals.

Here's one that contains a host of links to references.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/20/alm ... -is-wrong/

[Major Kong]

Trump's understanding of international trade is scary bad. You should read some of the pieces by economists about his trade proposals.

Here's one that contains a host of links to references.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/20/alm ... -is-wrong/

It's the border stupid

[miles]

Would it be unfair to say that your criteria was based on emotion?

Not really. My anger at the GOP establishment is of course emotional. But that emotion is based on their betrayal to the voters. They were voted into power to stop Obama's horrible policies and they caved at every chance.

As for my non-emotional reasons for supporting Trump, a few of them are:

1. I want illegal immigration stopped. I want our border protected. I believe he will do this. The media is making him out to be against all immigration and I don't believe he is anti immigrant at all. He is anti illegal immigrant. He also states that we need to slow down immigration of poor, uneducated, unskilled workers and open immigration up to educated, skilled workers. I strongly agree with him on all points here.
2. I am very pro 2nd amendment. I don't want any more gun laws passed and there are several I'd like to see rolled back. Trump says he will strongly support the 2nd amendment and not pass any more laws. I strongly support him there.
3. Trump said he doesn't want to take any muslim refugees and wants to stop muslim immigration until he can be assured our vetting process is effective. It may not be popular, but I agree with him here. I'm fine with American born muslims who have been raised here and just want to pursue the American dream. I realize that many immigrants want the same thing, but unfortunately there are also a lot of immigrants who hold radical Islamic beliefs and until we can find a way to distinguish the two, I believe stopping it all is the only responsible thing to do. It's our government's duty to protect its current citizens, not to put them in danger for political correctness.
4. Countries like China ARE manipulating their currency and not playing fair in the world financial market. Our current government is too afraid to do anything because China holds all our debt and they feel that gives China all the power. I think Trump will do something. For one, China's economy relies on us purchasing all their crap. Because of that, we too have power. We can put import taxes on their crap or stop buying it and their economy will collapse.
5. China, Russia, and Iran are constantly hacking us, stealing intellectual property, etc and we are doing nothing about it. I think Trump will pressure them into slowing down.

On the touchy feely side, Trump is a successful business man. He knows how to build a company. He understands market and how the government can help and hurt the economy. He hasn't gotten to where he is by being dumb and not surrounding himself with good people. I believe as President, he will surround himself with the best people (advisors), hold them accountable, and turn the Country around. Almost nothing can be worse than the last 8 years. Clinton will be an extension of the last 8 years or worse. I still think she may end up indicted before it's all over.

Trump's understanding of international trade is scary bad. You should read some of the pieces by economists about his trade proposals.

Here's one that contains a host of links to references.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/20/alm ... -is-wrong/

Scary Bad! Oh my!
The media opposition from both the left, right, and establishment, including the Republican Party is simply amazing. Scott Lincicome was simply performing a requested favor for the party leadership, big donors, and one or more candidates.
This media character and political assassination campaign is the ugliest in American political history.
Here's a conspiracy theory for you. The Chicago riots were planned, and the lack of police service, equipment and protection, was planned in advance. Blaming Trump for it was also planned.

[nolanvt]

Would it be unfair to say that your criteria was based on emotion?

Not really. My anger at the GOP establishment is of course emotional. But that emotion is based on their betrayal to the voters. They were voted into power to stop Obama's horrible policies and they caved at every chance.

As for my non-emotional reasons for supporting Trump, a few of them are:

1. I want illegal immigration stopped. I want our border protected. I believe he will do this. The media is making him out to be against all immigration and I don't believe he is anti immigrant at all. He is anti illegal immigrant. He also states that we need to slow down immigration of poor, uneducated, unskilled workers and open immigration up to educated, skilled workers. I strongly agree with him on all points here.
2. I am very pro 2nd amendment. I don't want any more gun laws passed and there are several I'd like to see rolled back. Trump says he will strongly support the 2nd amendment and not pass any more laws. I strongly support him there.
3. Trump said he doesn't want to take any muslim refugees and wants to stop muslim immigration until he can be assured our vetting process is effective. It may not be popular, but I agree with him here. I'm fine with American born muslims who have been raised here and just want to pursue the American dream. I realize that many immigrants want the same thing, but unfortunately there are also a lot of immigrants who hold radical Islamic beliefs and until we can find a way to distinguish the two, I believe stopping it all is the only responsible thing to do. It's our government's duty to protect its current citizens, not to put them in danger for political correctness.
4. Countries like China ARE manipulating their currency and not playing fair in the world financial market. Our current government is too afraid to do anything because China holds all our debt and they feel that gives China all the power. I think Trump will do something. For one, China's economy relies on us purchasing all their crap. Because of that, we too have power. We can put import taxes on their crap or stop buying it and their economy will collapse.
5. China, Russia, and Iran are constantly hacking us, stealing intellectual property, etc and we are doing nothing about it. I think Trump will pressure them into slowing down.

On the touchy feely side, Trump is a successful business man. He knows how to build a company. He understands market and how the government can help and hurt the economy. He hasn't gotten to where he is by being dumb and not surrounding himself with good people. I believe as President, he will surround himself with the best people (advisors), hold them accountable, and turn the Country around. Almost nothing can be worse than the last 8 years. Clinton will be an extension of the last 8 years or worse. I still think she may end up indicted before it's all over.

Trump's understanding of international trade is scary bad. You should read some of the pieces by economists about his trade proposals.

Here's one that contains a host of links to references.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/20/alm ... -is-wrong/

This board and LIV Trump supporters ain't got no time for facts.

[awesome guy]

Would it be unfair to say that your criteria was based on emotion?

Not really. My anger at the GOP establishment is of course emotional. But that emotion is based on their betrayal to the voters. They were voted into power to stop Obama's horrible policies and they caved at every chance.

As for my non-emotional reasons for supporting Trump, a few of them are:

1. I want illegal immigration stopped. I want our border protected. I believe he will do this. The media is making him out to be against all immigration and I don't believe he is anti immigrant at all. He is anti illegal immigrant. He also states that we need to slow down immigration of poor, uneducated, unskilled workers and open immigration up to educated, skilled workers. I strongly agree with him on all points here.
2. I am very pro 2nd amendment. I don't want any more gun laws passed and there are several I'd like to see rolled back. Trump says he will strongly support the 2nd amendment and not pass any more laws. I strongly support him there.
3. Trump said he doesn't want to take any muslim refugees and wants to stop muslim immigration until he can be assured our vetting process is effective. It may not be popular, but I agree with him here. I'm fine with American born muslims who have been raised here and just want to pursue the American dream. I realize that many immigrants want the same thing, but unfortunately there are also a lot of immigrants who hold radical Islamic beliefs and until we can find a way to distinguish the two, I believe stopping it all is the only responsible thing to do. It's our government's duty to protect its current citizens, not to put them in danger for political correctness.
4. Countries like China ARE manipulating their currency and not playing fair in the world financial market. Our current government is too afraid to do anything because China holds all our debt and they feel that gives China all the power. I think Trump will do something. For one, China's economy relies on us purchasing all their crap. Because of that, we too have power. We can put import taxes on their crap or stop buying it and their economy will collapse.
5. China, Russia, and Iran are constantly hacking us, stealing intellectual property, etc and we are doing nothing about it. I think Trump will pressure them into slowing down.

On the touchy feely side, Trump is a successful business man. He knows how to build a company. He understands market and how the government can help and hurt the economy. He hasn't gotten to where he is by being dumb and not surrounding himself with good people. I believe as President, he will surround himself with the best people (advisors), hold them accountable, and turn the Country around. Almost nothing can be worse than the last 8 years. Clinton will be an extension of the last 8 years or worse. I still think she may end up indicted before it's all over.

Trump's understanding of international trade is scary bad. You should read some of the pieces by economists about his trade proposals.

Here's one that contains a host of links to references.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/20/alm ... -is-wrong/

Scary Bad! Oh my!
The media opposition from both the left, right, and establishment, including the Republican Party is simply amazing. Scott Lincicome was simply performing a requested favor for the party leadership, big donors, and one or more candidates.
This media character and political assassination campaign is the ugliest in American political history.
Here's a conspiracy theory for you. The Chicago riots were planned, and the lack of police service, equipment and protection, was planned in advance. Blaming Trump for it was also planned.

That's not in doubt. Emanuel told the police no arrests.

[HokieFanDC]

Would it be unfair to say that your criteria was based on emotion?

Not really. My anger at the GOP establishment is of course emotional. But that emotion is based on their betrayal to the voters. They were voted into power to stop Obama's horrible policies and they caved at every chance.

As for my non-emotional reasons for supporting Trump, a few of them are:

1. I want illegal immigration stopped. I want our border protected. I believe he will do this. The media is making him out to be against all immigration and I don't believe he is anti immigrant at all. He is anti illegal immigrant. He also states that we need to slow down immigration of poor, uneducated, unskilled workers and open immigration up to educated, skilled workers. I strongly agree with him on all points here.
2. I am very pro 2nd amendment. I don't want any more gun laws passed and there are several I'd like to see rolled back. Trump says he will strongly support the 2nd amendment and not pass any more laws. I strongly support him there.
3. Trump said he doesn't want to take any muslim refugees and wants to stop muslim immigration until he can be assured our vetting process is effective. It may not be popular, but I agree with him here. I'm fine with American born muslims who have been raised here and just want to pursue the American dream. I realize that many immigrants want the same thing, but unfortunately there are also a lot of immigrants who hold radical Islamic beliefs and until we can find a way to distinguish the two, I believe stopping it all is the only responsible thing to do. It's our government's duty to protect its current citizens, not to put them in danger for political correctness.
4. Countries like China ARE manipulating their currency and not playing fair in the world financial market. Our current government is too afraid to do anything because China holds all our debt and they feel that gives China all the power. I think Trump will do something. For one, China's economy relies on us purchasing all their crap. Because of that, we too have power. We can put import taxes on their crap or stop buying it and their economy will collapse.
5. China, Russia, and Iran are constantly hacking us, stealing intellectual property, etc and we are doing nothing about it. I think Trump will pressure them into slowing down.

On the touchy feely side, Trump is a successful business man. He knows how to build a company. He understands market and how the government can help and hurt the economy. He hasn't gotten to where he is by being dumb and not surrounding himself with good people. I believe as President, he will surround himself with the best people (advisors), hold them accountable, and turn the Country around. Almost nothing can be worse than the last 8 years. Clinton will be an extension of the last 8 years or worse. I still think she may end up indicted before it's all over.

Trump's understanding of international trade is scary bad. You should read some of the pieces by economists about his trade proposals.

Here's one that contains a host of links to references.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/20/alm ... -is-wrong/

Scary Bad! Oh my!
The media opposition from both the left, right, and establishment, including the Republican Party is simply amazing. Scott Lincicome was simply performing a requested favor for the party leadership, big donors, and one or more candidates.
This media character and political assassination campaign is the ugliest in American political history.
Here's a conspiracy theory for you. The Chicago riots were planned, and the lack of police service, equipment and protection, was planned in advance. Blaming Trump for it was also planned.

The reason I posted that specific article is because I knew that many LIVs would just attack the source or writer, and not the actual story. But, to anyone who cares, there are references in the article, to studies by actual economists and organizations (like that media whipping dog, the Cato Institute ), that disagree with Trump's plans. There are hundreds of other articles from economists, policy tanks, etc., that have been saying the same thing. It's not a favor to the media. They're doing it as a favor to the US public, so they can at least try to understand the silliness that Trump is spewing.
No biggie, keep grasping.

[HokieJoe]

Would it be unfair to say that your criteria was based on emotion?

Not really. My anger at the GOP establishment is of course emotional. But that emotion is based on their betrayal to the voters. They were voted into power to stop Obama's horrible policies and they caved at every chance.

As for my non-emotional reasons for supporting Trump, a few of them are:

1. I want illegal immigration stopped. I want our border protected. I believe he will do this. The media is making him out to be against all immigration and I don't believe he is anti immigrant at all. He is anti illegal immigrant. He also states that we need to slow down immigration of poor, uneducated, unskilled workers and open immigration up to educated, skilled workers. I strongly agree with him on all points here.
2. I am very pro 2nd amendment. I don't want any more gun laws passed and there are several I'd like to see rolled back. Trump says he will strongly support the 2nd amendment and not pass any more laws. I strongly support him there.
3. Trump said he doesn't want to take any muslim refugees and wants to stop muslim immigration until he can be assured our vetting process is effective. It may not be popular, but I agree with him here. I'm fine with American born muslims who have been raised here and just want to pursue the American dream. I realize that many immigrants want the same thing, but unfortunately there are also a lot of immigrants who hold radical Islamic beliefs and until we can find a way to distinguish the two, I believe stopping it all is the only responsible thing to do. It's our government's duty to protect its current citizens, not to put them in danger for political correctness.
4. Countries like China ARE manipulating their currency and not playing fair in the world financial market. Our current government is too afraid to do anything because China holds all our debt and they feel that gives China all the power. I think Trump will do something. For one, China's economy relies on us purchasing all their crap. Because of that, we too have power. We can put import taxes on their crap or stop buying it and their economy will collapse.
5. China, Russia, and Iran are constantly hacking us, stealing intellectual property, etc and we are doing nothing about it. I think Trump will pressure them into slowing down.

On the touchy feely side, Trump is a successful business man. He knows how to build a company. He understands market and how the government can help and hurt the economy. He hasn't gotten to where he is by being dumb and not surrounding himself with good people. I believe as President, he will surround himself with the best people (advisors), hold them accountable, and turn the Country around. Almost nothing can be worse than the last 8 years. Clinton will be an extension of the last 8 years or worse. I still think she may end up indicted before it's all over.

Trump's understanding of international trade is scary bad. You should read some of the pieces by economists about his trade proposals.

Here's one that contains a host of links to references.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/20/alm ... -is-wrong/

Reading a little bit, one problem I have, and it's the source of much the voting public's consternation, is this:

In this light, the U.S. trade deficit reflects little more than America’s longstanding comparative advantage as a global investment destination. Not so scary, huh?

Global investment destination means nothing to someone who lost a manufacturing job. Moreover, because they have no or a low paying job, they can't leverage investments to their advantage. Because of trade policies, we've substituted manufacturing for the benefit of the financial class. That's a poor trade off because it benefits far fewer people.

True, automation has killed jobs as well, but 3rd world slave labor amplified the problem. Slave labor benefits the financial class/multinationals-not J6P.

[ip_law-hokie]

Would it be unfair to say that your criteria was based on emotion?

Not really. My anger at the GOP establishment is of course emotional. But that emotion is based on their betrayal to the voters. They were voted into power to stop Obama's horrible policies and they caved at every chance.

As for my non-emotional reasons for supporting Trump, a few of them are:

1. I want illegal immigration stopped. I want our border protected. I believe he will do this. The media is making him out to be against all immigration and I don't believe he is anti immigrant at all. He is anti illegal immigrant. He also states that we need to slow down immigration of poor, uneducated, unskilled workers and open immigration up to educated, skilled workers. I strongly agree with him on all points here.
2. I am very pro 2nd amendment. I don't want any more gun laws passed and there are several I'd like to see rolled back. Trump says he will strongly support the 2nd amendment and not pass any more laws. I strongly support him there.
3. Trump said he doesn't want to take any muslim refugees and wants to stop muslim immigration until he can be assured our vetting process is effective. It may not be popular, but I agree with him here. I'm fine with American born muslims who have been raised here and just want to pursue the American dream. I realize that many immigrants want the same thing, but unfortunately there are also a lot of immigrants who hold radical Islamic beliefs and until we can find a way to distinguish the two, I believe stopping it all is the only responsible thing to do. It's our government's duty to protect its current citizens, not to put them in danger for political correctness.
4. Countries like China ARE manipulating their currency and not playing fair in the world financial market. Our current government is too afraid to do anything because China holds all our debt and they feel that gives China all the power. I think Trump will do something. For one, China's economy relies on us purchasing all their crap. Because of that, we too have power. We can put import taxes on their crap or stop buying it and their economy will collapse.
5. China, Russia, and Iran are constantly hacking us, stealing intellectual property, etc and we are doing nothing about it. I think Trump will pressure them into slowing down.

On the touchy feely side, Trump is a successful business man. He knows how to build a company. He understands market and how the government can help and hurt the economy. He hasn't gotten to where he is by being dumb and not surrounding himself with good people. I believe as President, he will surround himself with the best people (advisors), hold them accountable, and turn the Country around. Almost nothing can be worse than the last 8 years. Clinton will be an extension of the last 8 years or worse. I still think she may end up indicted before it's all over.

Trump's understanding of international trade is scary bad. You should read some of the pieces by economists about his trade proposals.

Here's one that contains a host of links to references.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/20/alm ... -is-wrong/

Reading a little bit, one problem I have, and it's the source of much the voting public's consternation, is this:

In this light, the U.S. trade deficit reflects little more than America’s longstanding comparative advantage as a global investment destination. Not so scary, huh?

Global investment destination means nothing to someone who lost a manufacturing job. Moreover, because they have no or a low paying job, they can't leverage investments to their advantage. Because of trade policies, we've substituted manufacturing for the benefit of the financial class. That's a poor trade off because it benefits far fewer people.

True, automation has killed jobs as well, but 3rd world slave labor amplified the problem. Slave labor benefits the financial class/multinationals-not J6P.

It's amusing seeing all those on the "right" now buying into what the far left has been selling for years. To be fair, there have been some on the right singing the same song (Buchanan), but free trade has generally be accepted by the center-left and right.

[HokieFanDC]

Would it be unfair to say that your criteria was based on emotion?

Not really. My anger at the GOP establishment is of course emotional. But that emotion is based on their betrayal to the voters. They were voted into power to stop Obama's horrible policies and they caved at every chance.

As for my non-emotional reasons for supporting Trump, a few of them are:

1. I want illegal immigration stopped. I want our border protected. I believe he will do this. The media is making him out to be against all immigration and I don't believe he is anti immigrant at all. He is anti illegal immigrant. He also states that we need to slow down immigration of poor, uneducated, unskilled workers and open immigration up to educated, skilled workers. I strongly agree with him on all points here.
2. I am very pro 2nd amendment. I don't want any more gun laws passed and there are several I'd like to see rolled back. Trump says he will strongly support the 2nd amendment and not pass any more laws. I strongly support him there.
3. Trump said he doesn't want to take any muslim refugees and wants to stop muslim immigration until he can be assured our vetting process is effective. It may not be popular, but I agree with him here. I'm fine with American born muslims who have been raised here and just want to pursue the American dream. I realize that many immigrants want the same thing, but unfortunately there are also a lot of immigrants who hold radical Islamic beliefs and until we can find a way to distinguish the two, I believe stopping it all is the only responsible thing to do. It's our government's duty to protect its current citizens, not to put them in danger for political correctness.
4. Countries like China ARE manipulating their currency and not playing fair in the world financial market. Our current government is too afraid to do anything because China holds all our debt and they feel that gives China all the power. I think Trump will do something. For one, China's economy relies on us purchasing all their crap. Because of that, we too have power. We can put import taxes on their crap or stop buying it and their economy will collapse.
5. China, Russia, and Iran are constantly hacking us, stealing intellectual property, etc and we are doing nothing about it. I think Trump will pressure them into slowing down.

On the touchy feely side, Trump is a successful business man. He knows how to build a company. He understands market and how the government can help and hurt the economy. He hasn't gotten to where he is by being dumb and not surrounding himself with good people. I believe as President, he will surround himself with the best people (advisors), hold them accountable, and turn the Country around. Almost nothing can be worse than the last 8 years. Clinton will be an extension of the last 8 years or worse. I still think she may end up indicted before it's all over.

Trump's understanding of international trade is scary bad. You should read some of the pieces by economists about his trade proposals.

Here's one that contains a host of links to references.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/20/alm ... -is-wrong/

Reading a little bit, one problem I have, and it's the source of much the voting public's consternation, is this:

In this light, the U.S. trade deficit reflects little more than America’s longstanding comparative advantage as a global investment destination. Not so scary, huh?

Global investment destination means nothing to someone who lost a manufacturing job. Moreover, because they have no or a low paying job, they can't leverage investments to their advantage. Because of trade policies, we've substituted manufacturing for the benefit of the financial class. That's a poor trade off because it benefits far fewer people.

True, automation has killed jobs as well, but 3rd world slave labor amplified the problem. Slave labor benefits the financial class/multinationals-not J6P.

Correct, but the answer to the problem isn't tariffs, that won't solve anything. We need to encourage companies to bring jobs back to the US, incent them to do so, make sure we have people trained to do those jobs, and make sure that we aren't taxing the crap out of them when they do.
In addition, the pendulum is already swinging the other way. The main disadvantage the US has had is labor rates, but we have advantages in cycle times, quality, and shipping costs, with domestic manufacturing. The overall cost of production between China and US, for China imports, has gotten much closer, and with a little boost, it will bring even more jobs back. Tariffs will not do that, it will just increase costs for the consumer.

[RiverguyVT]

Trumps (mis)understanding of global trade is funny scary. Odd, for such a well-heeled dude. But, I suspect we're seeing an act.

Now. If Trumps (mis)understanding of global trade is scary, what about the likely Dem nominee, Hillary!->?
Emails show she did not know how to charge her iPad.
Yes, she's stupid.
Yes, she acts completely on handlers' advices.

Not only is she a "wet finger to the wind" pol, she is out for her own gain.
I don't see Trump giving uranium resources away like Hillary did. I do not see him selling military secrets to red China like Bill & Hillary did.

Does Bernie have an understanding of economics? LOL

It is scary as hell, but Trump trumps Hill when it comes to understanding global trade. IIWII. She is clueless, but with the added disadvantage of being entirely on the take for personal financial gain.

[awesome guy]

Trumps (mis)understanding of global trade is funny scary. Odd, for such a well-heeled dude. But, I suspect we're seeing an act.

Now. If Trumps (mis)understanding of global trade is scary, what about the likely Dem nominee, Hillary!->?
Emails show she did not know how to charge her iPad.
Yes, she's stupid.
Yes, she acts completely on handlers' advices.

Not only is she a "wet finger to the wind" pol, she is out for her own gain.
I don't see Trump giving uranium resources away like Hillary did. I do not see him selling military secrets to red China like Bill & Hillary did.

Does Bernie have an understanding of economics? LOL

It is scary as hell, but Trump trumps Hill when it comes to understanding global trade. IIWII. She is clueless, but with the added disadvantage of being entirely on the take for personal financial gain.

Yep.

[HokieFanDC]

Trumps (mis)understanding of global trade is funny scary. Odd, for such a well-heeled dude. But, I suspect we're seeing an act.

Now. If Trumps (mis)understanding of global trade is scary, what about the likely Dem nominee, Hillary!->?
Emails show she did not know how to charge her iPad.
Yes, she's stupid.
Yes, she acts completely on handlers' advices.

Not only is she a "wet finger to the wind" pol, she is out for her own gain.
I don't see Trump giving uranium resources away like Hillary did. I do not see him selling military secrets to red China like Bill & Hillary did.

Does Bernie have an understanding of economics? LOL

It is scary as hell, but Trump trumps Hill when it comes to understanding global trade. IIWII. She is clueless, but with the added disadvantage of being entirely on the take for personal financial gain.

Hillary? Bernie? So what? I'm not voting for either of them.
I'm pretty sure Hillary isn't stupid, and she may know something about intl trade. Don't really know. I don't get ur point, though, sounds like you're comparing turds.

[miles]

Would it be unfair to say that your criteria was based on emotion?

Not really. My anger at the GOP establishment is of course emotional. But that emotion is based on their betrayal to the voters. They were voted into power to stop Obama's horrible policies and they caved at every chance.

As for my non-emotional reasons for supporting Trump, a few of them are:

1. I want illegal immigration stopped. I want our border protected. I believe he will do this. The media is making him out to be against all immigration and I don't believe he is anti immigrant at all. He is anti illegal immigrant. He also states that we need to slow down immigration of poor, uneducated, unskilled workers and open immigration up to educated, skilled workers. I strongly agree with him on all points here.
2. I am very pro 2nd amendment. I don't want any more gun laws passed and there are several I'd like to see rolled back. Trump says he will strongly support the 2nd amendment and not pass any more laws. I strongly support him there.
3. Trump said he doesn't want to take any muslim refugees and wants to stop muslim immigration until he can be assured our vetting process is effective. It may not be popular, but I agree with him here. I'm fine with American born muslims who have been raised here and just want to pursue the American dream. I realize that many immigrants want the same thing, but unfortunately there are also a lot of immigrants who hold radical Islamic beliefs and until we can find a way to distinguish the two, I believe stopping it all is the only responsible thing to do. It's our government's duty to protect its current citizens, not to put them in danger for political correctness.
4. Countries like China ARE manipulating their currency and not playing fair in the world financial market. Our current government is too afraid to do anything because China holds all our debt and they feel that gives China all the power. I think Trump will do something. For one, China's economy relies on us purchasing all their crap. Because of that, we too have power. We can put import taxes on their crap or stop buying it and their economy will collapse.
5. China, Russia, and Iran are constantly hacking us, stealing intellectual property, etc and we are doing nothing about it. I think Trump will pressure them into slowing down.

On the touchy feely side, Trump is a successful business man. He knows how to build a company. He understands market and how the government can help and hurt the economy. He hasn't gotten to where he is by being dumb and not surrounding himself with good people. I believe as President, he will surround himself with the best people (advisors), hold them accountable, and turn the Country around. Almost nothing can be worse than the last 8 years. Clinton will be an extension of the last 8 years or worse. I still think she may end up indicted before it's all over.

Trump's understanding of international trade is scary bad. You should read some of the pieces by economists about his trade proposals.

Here's one that contains a host of links to references.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/20/alm ... -is-wrong/

Reading a little bit, one problem I have, and it's the source of much the voting public's consternation, is this:

In this light, the U.S. trade deficit reflects little more than America’s longstanding comparative advantage as a global investment destination. Not so scary, huh?

Global investment destination means nothing to someone who lost a manufacturing job. Moreover, because they have no or a low paying job, they can't leverage investments to their advantage. Because of trade policies, we've substituted manufacturing for the benefit of the financial class. That's a poor trade off because it benefits far fewer people.

True, automation has killed jobs as well, but 3rd world slave labor amplified the problem. Slave labor benefits the financial class/multinationals-not J6P.

Correct, but the answer to the problem isn't tariffs, that won't solve anything. We need to encourage companies to bring jobs back to the US, incent them to do so, make sure we have people trained to do those jobs, and make sure that we aren't taxing the crap out of them when they do.
In addition, the pendulum is already swinging the other way. The main disadvantage the US has had is labor rates, but we have advantages in cycle times, quality, and shipping costs, with domestic manufacturing. The overall cost of production between China and US, for China imports, has gotten much closer, and with a little boost, it will bring even more jobs back. Tariffs will not do that, it will just increase costs for the consumer.

So tariffs won't cut it. We need to incentivize. Wow, that's scary good!
Let's see, Trump has supported Planned Parenthood. You worship Planned Parenthood.
The Kochs and their minions are throwing $and in the the Trump gears. You hate the evil Kochs.
I could go on, but the point is your cognitive dissonance must be wearing you out by now.

[HokieFanDC]

Would it be unfair to say that your criteria was based on emotion?

Not really. My anger at the GOP establishment is of course emotional. But that emotion is based on their betrayal to the voters. They were voted into power to stop Obama's horrible policies and they caved at every chance.

As for my non-emotional reasons for supporting Trump, a few of them are:

1. I want illegal immigration stopped. I want our border protected. I believe he will do this. The media is making him out to be against all immigration and I don't believe he is anti immigrant at all. He is anti illegal immigrant. He also states that we need to slow down immigration of poor, uneducated, unskilled workers and open immigration up to educated, skilled workers. I strongly agree with him on all points here.
2. I am very pro 2nd amendment. I don't want any more gun laws passed and there are several I'd like to see rolled back. Trump says he will strongly support the 2nd amendment and not pass any more laws. I strongly support him there.
3. Trump said he doesn't want to take any muslim refugees and wants to stop muslim immigration until he can be assured our vetting process is effective. It may not be popular, but I agree with him here. I'm fine with American born muslims who have been raised here and just want to pursue the American dream. I realize that many immigrants want the same thing, but unfortunately there are also a lot of immigrants who hold radical Islamic beliefs and until we can find a way to distinguish the two, I believe stopping it all is the only responsible thing to do. It's our government's duty to protect its current citizens, not to put them in danger for political correctness.
4. Countries like China ARE manipulating their currency and not playing fair in the world financial market. Our current government is too afraid to do anything because China holds all our debt and they feel that gives China all the power. I think Trump will do something. For one, China's economy relies on us purchasing all their crap. Because of that, we too have power. We can put import taxes on their crap or stop buying it and their economy will collapse.
5. China, Russia, and Iran are constantly hacking us, stealing intellectual property, etc and we are doing nothing about it. I think Trump will pressure them into slowing down.

On the touchy feely side, Trump is a successful business man. He knows how to build a company. He understands market and how the government can help and hurt the economy. He hasn't gotten to where he is by being dumb and not surrounding himself with good people. I believe as President, he will surround himself with the best people (advisors), hold them accountable, and turn the Country around. Almost nothing can be worse than the last 8 years. Clinton will be an extension of the last 8 years or worse. I still think she may end up indicted before it's all over.

Trump's understanding of international trade is scary bad. You should read some of the pieces by economists about his trade proposals.

Here's one that contains a host of links to references.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/20/alm ... -is-wrong/

Reading a little bit, one problem I have, and it's the source of much the voting public's consternation, is this:

In this light, the U.S. trade deficit reflects little more than America’s longstanding comparative advantage as a global investment destination. Not so scary, huh?

Global investment destination means nothing to someone who lost a manufacturing job. Moreover, because they have no or a low paying job, they can't leverage investments to their advantage. Because of trade policies, we've substituted manufacturing for the benefit of the financial class. That's a poor trade off because it benefits far fewer people.

True, automation has killed jobs as well, but 3rd world slave labor amplified the problem. Slave labor benefits the financial class/multinationals-not J6P.

Correct, but the answer to the problem isn't tariffs, that won't solve anything. We need to encourage companies to bring jobs back to the US, incent them to do so, make sure we have people trained to do those jobs, and make sure that we aren't taxing the crap out of them when they do.
In addition, the pendulum is already swinging the other way. The main disadvantage the US has had is labor rates, but we have advantages in cycle times, quality, and shipping costs, with domestic manufacturing. The overall cost of production between China and US, for China imports, has gotten much closer, and with a little boost, it will bring even more jobs back. Tariffs will not do that, it will just increase costs for the consumer.

So tariffs won't cut it. We need to incentivize. Wow, that's scary good!
Let's see, Trump has supported Planned Parenthood. You worship Planned Parenthood.
The Kochs and their minions are throwing $and in the the Trump gears. You hate the evil Kochs.
I could go on, but the point is your cognitive dissonance must be wearing you out by now.

You could go on? Please do! I agree with Trump on PP. I don't hate the Kochs, or think they're evil. I disagree with him on trade. None of that gives me any cognitive dissonance. Why would disagreeing with Trump on issues, while also agreeing with him on some issues, give me cognitive dissonance? You're not making sense, and of course, you're just attacking me personally, without having any actual input on the topic. Good job, junior.

[HokieJoe]

Would it be unfair to say that your criteria was based on emotion?

Not really. My anger at the GOP establishment is of course emotional. But that emotion is based on their betrayal to the voters. They were voted into power to stop Obama's horrible policies and they caved at every chance.

As for my non-emotional reasons for supporting Trump, a few of them are:

1. I want illegal immigration stopped. I want our border protected. I believe he will do this. The media is making him out to be against all immigration and I don't believe he is anti immigrant at all. He is anti illegal immigrant. He also states that we need to slow down immigration of poor, uneducated, unskilled workers and open immigration up to educated, skilled workers. I strongly agree with him on all points here.
2. I am very pro 2nd amendment. I don't want any more gun laws passed and there are several I'd like to see rolled back. Trump says he will strongly support the 2nd amendment and not pass any more laws. I strongly support him there.
3. Trump said he doesn't want to take any muslim refugees and wants to stop muslim immigration until he can be assured our vetting process is effective. It may not be popular, but I agree with him here. I'm fine with American born muslims who have been raised here and just want to pursue the American dream. I realize that many immigrants want the same thing, but unfortunately there are also a lot of immigrants who hold radical Islamic beliefs and until we can find a way to distinguish the two, I believe stopping it all is the only responsible thing to do. It's our government's duty to protect its current citizens, not to put them in danger for political correctness.
4. Countries like China ARE manipulating their currency and not playing fair in the world financial market. Our current government is too afraid to do anything because China holds all our debt and they feel that gives China all the power. I think Trump will do something. For one, China's economy relies on us purchasing all their crap. Because of that, we too have power. We can put import taxes on their crap or stop buying it and their economy will collapse.
5. China, Russia, and Iran are constantly hacking us, stealing intellectual property, etc and we are doing nothing about it. I think Trump will pressure them into slowing down.

On the touchy feely side, Trump is a successful business man. He knows how to build a company. He understands market and how the government can help and hurt the economy. He hasn't gotten to where he is by being dumb and not surrounding himself with good people. I believe as President, he will surround himself with the best people (advisors), hold them accountable, and turn the Country around. Almost nothing can be worse than the last 8 years. Clinton will be an extension of the last 8 years or worse. I still think she may end up indicted before it's all over.

Trump's understanding of international trade is scary bad. You should read some of the pieces by economists about his trade proposals.

Here's one that contains a host of links to references.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/20/alm ... -is-wrong/

Reading a little bit, one problem I have, and it's the source of much the voting public's consternation, is this:

In this light, the U.S. trade deficit reflects little more than America’s longstanding comparative advantage as a global investment destination. Not so scary, huh?

Global investment destination means nothing to someone who lost a manufacturing job. Moreover, because they have no or a low paying job, they can't leverage investments to their advantage. Because of trade policies, we've substituted manufacturing for the benefit of the financial class. That's a poor trade off because it benefits far fewer people.

True, automation has killed jobs as well, but 3rd world slave labor amplified the problem. Slave labor benefits the financial class/multinationals-not J6P.

It's amusing seeing all those on the "right" now buying into what the far left has been selling for years. To be fair, there have been some on the right singing the same song (Buchanan), but free trade has generally be accepted by the center-left and right.

I supported Perot because of this issue. Now, if DC will abolish corporate taxes and go with the Fair Tax, I'll shut my mouth about immigration and 'free trade' deals.

[ip_law-hokie]

Would it be unfair to say that your criteria was based on emotion?

Not really. My anger at the GOP establishment is of course emotional. But that emotion is based on their betrayal to the voters. They were voted into power to stop Obama's horrible policies and they caved at every chance.

As for my non-emotional reasons for supporting Trump, a few of them are:

1. I want illegal immigration stopped. I want our border protected. I believe he will do this. The media is making him out to be against all immigration and I don't believe he is anti immigrant at all. He is anti illegal immigrant. He also states that we need to slow down immigration of poor, uneducated, unskilled workers and open immigration up to educated, skilled workers. I strongly agree with him on all points here.
2. I am very pro 2nd amendment. I don't want any more gun laws passed and there are several I'd like to see rolled back. Trump says he will strongly support the 2nd amendment and not pass any more laws. I strongly support him there.
3. Trump said he doesn't want to take any muslim refugees and wants to stop muslim immigration until he can be assured our vetting process is effective. It may not be popular, but I agree with him here. I'm fine with American born muslims who have been raised here and just want to pursue the American dream. I realize that many immigrants want the same thing, but unfortunately there are also a lot of immigrants who hold radical Islamic beliefs and until we can find a way to distinguish the two, I believe stopping it all is the only responsible thing to do. It's our government's duty to protect its current citizens, not to put them in danger for political correctness.
4. Countries like China ARE manipulating their currency and not playing fair in the world financial market. Our current government is too afraid to do anything because China holds all our debt and they feel that gives China all the power. I think Trump will do something. For one, China's economy relies on us purchasing all their crap. Because of that, we too have power. We can put import taxes on their crap or stop buying it and their economy will collapse.
5. China, Russia, and Iran are constantly hacking us, stealing intellectual property, etc and we are doing nothing about it. I think Trump will pressure them into slowing down.

On the touchy feely side, Trump is a successful business man. He knows how to build a company. He understands market and how the government can help and hurt the economy. He hasn't gotten to where he is by being dumb and not surrounding himself with good people. I believe as President, he will surround himself with the best people (advisors), hold them accountable, and turn the Country around. Almost nothing can be worse than the last 8 years. Clinton will be an extension of the last 8 years or worse. I still think she may end up indicted before it's all over.

Trump's understanding of international trade is scary bad. You should read some of the pieces by economists about his trade proposals.

Here's one that contains a host of links to references.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/20/alm ... -is-wrong/

Reading a little bit, one problem I have, and it's the source of much the voting public's consternation, is this:

In this light, the U.S. trade deficit reflects little more than America’s longstanding comparative advantage as a global investment destination. Not so scary, huh?

Global investment destination means nothing to someone who lost a manufacturing job. Moreover, because they have no or a low paying job, they can't leverage investments to their advantage. Because of trade policies, we've substituted manufacturing for the benefit of the financial class. That's a poor trade off because it benefits far fewer people.

True, automation has killed jobs as well, but 3rd world slave labor amplified the problem. Slave labor benefits the financial class/multinationals-not J6P.

It's amusing seeing all those on the "right" now buying into what the far left has been selling for years. To be fair, there have been some on the right singing the same song (Buchanan), but free trade has generally be accepted by the center-left and right.

I supported Perot because of this issue. Now, if DC will abolish corporate taxes and go with the Fair Tax, I'll shut my mouth about immigration and 'free trade' deals.

I expect abolishing corporate income taxes and a progressive tax rate would be just as helpful to the blue collar worker as free trade.


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[HokieJoe]

Would it be unfair to say that your criteria was based on emotion?

Not really. My anger at the GOP establishment is of course emotional. But that emotion is based on their betrayal to the voters. They were voted into power to stop Obama's horrible policies and they caved at every chance.

As for my non-emotional reasons for supporting Trump, a few of them are:

1. I want illegal immigration stopped. I want our border protected. I believe he will do this. The media is making him out to be against all immigration and I don't believe he is anti immigrant at all. He is anti illegal immigrant. He also states that we need to slow down immigration of poor, uneducated, unskilled workers and open immigration up to educated, skilled workers. I strongly agree with him on all points here.
2. I am very pro 2nd amendment. I don't want any more gun laws passed and there are several I'd like to see rolled back. Trump says he will strongly support the 2nd amendment and not pass any more laws. I strongly support him there.
3. Trump said he doesn't want to take any muslim refugees and wants to stop muslim immigration until he can be assured our vetting process is effective. It may not be popular, but I agree with him here. I'm fine with American born muslims who have been raised here and just want to pursue the American dream. I realize that many immigrants want the same thing, but unfortunately there are also a lot of immigrants who hold radical Islamic beliefs and until we can find a way to distinguish the two, I believe stopping it all is the only responsible thing to do. It's our government's duty to protect its current citizens, not to put them in danger for political correctness.
4. Countries like China ARE manipulating their currency and not playing fair in the world financial market. Our current government is too afraid to do anything because China holds all our debt and they feel that gives China all the power. I think Trump will do something. For one, China's economy relies on us purchasing all their crap. Because of that, we too have power. We can put import taxes on their crap or stop buying it and their economy will collapse.
5. China, Russia, and Iran are constantly hacking us, stealing intellectual property, etc and we are doing nothing about it. I think Trump will pressure them into slowing down.

On the touchy feely side, Trump is a successful business man. He knows how to build a company. He understands market and how the government can help and hurt the economy. He hasn't gotten to where he is by being dumb and not surrounding himself with good people. I believe as President, he will surround himself with the best people (advisors), hold them accountable, and turn the Country around. Almost nothing can be worse than the last 8 years. Clinton will be an extension of the last 8 years or worse. I still think she may end up indicted before it's all over.

Trump's understanding of international trade is scary bad. You should read some of the pieces by economists about his trade proposals.

Here's one that contains a host of links to references.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/20/alm ... -is-wrong/

Reading a little bit, one problem I have, and it's the source of much the voting public's consternation, is this:

In this light, the U.S. trade deficit reflects little more than America’s longstanding comparative advantage as a global investment destination. Not so scary, huh?

Global investment destination means nothing to someone who lost a manufacturing job. Moreover, because they have no or a low paying job, they can't leverage investments to their advantage. Because of trade policies, we've substituted manufacturing for the benefit of the financial class. That's a poor trade off because it benefits far fewer people.

True, automation has killed jobs as well, but 3rd world slave labor amplified the problem. Slave labor benefits the financial class/multinationals-not J6P.

Correct, but the answer to the problem isn't tariffs, that won't solve anything. We need to encourage companies to bring jobs back to the US, incent them to do so, make sure we have people trained to do those jobs, and make sure that we aren't taxing the crap out of them when they do.
In addition, the pendulum is already swinging the other way. The main disadvantage the US has had is labor rates, but we have advantages in cycle times, quality, and shipping costs, with domestic manufacturing. The overall cost of production between China and US, for China imports, has gotten much closer, and with a little boost, it will bring even more jobs back. Tariffs will not do that, it will just increase costs for the consumer.

See my reply to ip above. If they'd incentivize job creation, real job creation, not fast food jobs, I'd amend my position.