what's the libertarian view on bathrooms?

[awesome guy]

I'm watching them duke it out now on facebook. Some are saying they can use whatever bathroom they want. These are more the angry anarchist types. Others are saying it's up to the property owner. These are the other anarchist type.

[USN_Hokie]

Are we talking about real libertarians or fake ones like Sarvis?

[BG Hokie]

I'm watching them duke it out now on facebook. Some are saying they can use whatever bathroom they want. These are more the angry anarchist types. Others are saying it's up to the property owner. These are the other anarchist type.

I think it's best left in the hands of the boots on the ground. Schools, businesses, etc. The vast, vast majority will never, EVER have to deal with it.

For a law to expressly permit or prohibit is simply going to muck things up. Let's keep government out of it, IMO.

[awesome guy]

Are we talking about real libertarians or fake ones like Sarvis?

The angry, contrarian type. Those who like whatever society doesn't.

[awesome guy]

I'm watching them duke it out now on facebook. Some are saying they can use whatever bathroom they want. These are more the angry anarchist types. Others are saying it's up to the property owner. These are the other anarchist type.

I think it's best left in the hands of the boots on the ground. Schools, businesses, etc. The vast, vast majority will never, EVER have to deal with it.

For a law to expressly permit or prohibit is simply going to muck things up. Let's keep government out of it, IMO.

huh? Do you realize that schools are government buildings? Bathrooms are government by building codes and the like. And this really started because the boots on the ground used common sense to keep men in the men's room and women in the woman's room. The LGBQWTF coalition fought that to remove the power to decide for themselves by forcing all bathrooms in the jurisdiction to be unisex. They changed established law, apparently a big no-no for liberals when it's Obamacare or entitlements. The NC laws removes forced unisex bathrooms.

[BG Hokie]

I'm watching them duke it out now on facebook. Some are saying they can use whatever bathroom they want. These are more the angry anarchist types. Others are saying it's up to the property owner. These are the other anarchist type.

I think it's best left in the hands of the boots on the ground. Schools, businesses, etc. The vast, vast majority will never, EVER have to deal with it.

For a law to expressly permit or prohibit is simply going to muck things up. Let's keep government out of it, IMO.

huh? Do you realize that schools are government buildings? Bathrooms are government by building codes and the like. And this really started because the boots on the ground used common sense to keep men in the men's room and women in the woman's room. The LGBQWTF coalition fought that to remove the power to decide for themselves by forcing all bathrooms in the jurisdiction to be unisex. They changed established law, apparently a big no-no for liberals when it's Obamacare or entitlements. The NC laws removes forced unisex bathrooms.

And give schools the autonomy to deal with one off situations as they see fit. The laws just muck things up. Government at the federal, state level certainly don't know how to better set rules better than the boots on the ground.

[awesome guy]

I'm watching them duke it out now on facebook. Some are saying they can use whatever bathroom they want. These are more the angry anarchist types. Others are saying it's up to the property owner. These are the other anarchist type.

I think it's best left in the hands of the boots on the ground. Schools, businesses, etc. The vast, vast majority will never, EVER have to deal with it.

For a law to expressly permit or prohibit is simply going to muck things up. Let's keep government out of it, IMO.

huh? Do you realize that schools are government buildings? Bathrooms are government by building codes and the like. And this really started because the boots on the ground used common sense to keep men in the men's room and women in the woman's room. The LGBQWTF coalition fought that to remove the power to decide for themselves by forcing all bathrooms in the jurisdiction to be unisex. They changed established law, apparently a big no-no for liberals when it's Obamacare or entitlements. The NC laws removes forced unisex bathrooms.

And give schools the autonomy to deal with one off situations as they see fit. The laws just muck things up. Government at the federal, state level certainly don't know how to better set rules better than the boots on the ground.

They same boots that stuck with common sense or the homomafia that changed the laws?

[houtexhokie]

Well, its "perfectly clear", as your Nixon used to say ..

This thread has gone in the toilet!

Burma Shave!

[133743Hokie]

I'm watching them duke it out now on facebook. Some are saying they can use whatever bathroom they want. These are more the angry anarchist types. Others are saying it's up to the property owner. These are the other anarchist type.

I think it's best left in the hands of the boots on the ground. Schools, businesses, etc. The vast, vast majority will never, EVER have to deal with it.

For a law to expressly permit or prohibit is simply going to muck things up. Let's keep government out of it, IMO.

agree

[absolutvt03]

Are we talking about real libertarians or fake ones like Sarvis?

The angry, contrarian type. Those who like whatever society doesn't.

So like you with Uber?

[WestEndHokie39]

All private property owners decide who gets to use their bathrooms.

The federal government decides who gets to use their bathrooms. Schools should decide based on an individual basis who gets to use the bathrooms without federal interference.

The point would be moot if the federal government restricted itself to its proper constitutional powers.

By the way, you wonder why libertarians like me won't support your candidates when you act like an asshole towards us? Big mystery...

[awesome guy]

All private property owners decide who gets to use their bathrooms.

The federal government decides who gets to use their bathrooms. Schools should decide based on an individual basis who gets to use the bathrooms without federal interference.

The point would be moot if the federal government restricted itself to its proper constitutional powers.

By the way, you wonder why libertarians like me won't support your candidates when you act like an asshole towards us? Big mystery...

I don't care that assholes are treated like assholes.

[USN_Hokie]

All private property owners decide who gets to use their bathrooms.

The federal government decides who gets to use their bathrooms. Schools should decide based on an individual basis who gets to use the bathrooms without federal interference.

The point would be moot if the federal government restricted itself to its proper constitutional powers.

By the way, you wonder why libertarians like me won't support your candidates when you act like an asshole towards us? Big mystery...

Do any of you seriously think this is a realistic solution? For example - in today's day and age a school district is a huuuuge bureaucracy.

Leaving stuff like this up to individual administrators will never happen so long as government is the size it is - but libertarians will never reduce the size of government or become relevant because they are too idealistic.

[133743Hokie]

All private property owners decide who gets to use their bathrooms.

The federal government decides who gets to use their bathrooms. Schools should decide based on an individual basis who gets to use the bathrooms without federal interference.

The point would be moot if the federal government restricted itself to its proper constitutional powers.

By the way, you wonder why libertarians like me won't support your candidates when you act like an asshole towards us? Big mystery...

Do any of you seriously think this is a realistic solution? For example - in today's day and age a school district is a huuuuge bureaucracy.

Leaving stuff like this up to individual administrators will never happen so long as government is the size it is - but libertarians will never reduce the size of government or become relevant because they are too idealistic.

the local school district decides; that's not that unwieldy of an entity.

[awesome guy]

All private property owners decide who gets to use their bathrooms.

The federal government decides who gets to use their bathrooms. Schools should decide based on an individual basis who gets to use the bathrooms without federal interference.

The point would be moot if the federal government restricted itself to its proper constitutional powers.

By the way, you wonder why libertarians like me won't support your candidates when you act like an asshole towards us? Big mystery...

Do any of you seriously think this is a realistic solution? For example - in today's day and age a school district is a huuuuge bureaucracy.

Leaving stuff like this up to individual administrators will never happen so long as government is the size it is - but libertarians will never reduce the size of government or become relevant because they are too idealistic.

the local school district decides; that's not that unwieldy of an entity.

They already did, so the SJWs changed the ordinance.

[USN_Hokie]

All private property owners decide who gets to use their bathrooms.

The federal government decides who gets to use their bathrooms. Schools should decide based on an individual basis who gets to use the bathrooms without federal interference.

The point would be moot if the federal government restricted itself to its proper constitutional powers.

By the way, you wonder why libertarians like me won't support your candidates when you act like an asshole towards us? Big mystery...

Do any of you seriously think this is a realistic solution? For example - in today's day and age a school district is a huuuuge bureaucracy.

Leaving stuff like this up to individual administrators will never happen so long as government is the size it is - but libertarians will never reduce the size of government or become relevant because they are too idealistic.

the local school district decides; that's not that unwieldy of an entity.

Sure it is.

[133743Hokie]

All private property owners decide who gets to use their bathrooms.

The federal government decides who gets to use their bathrooms. Schools should decide based on an individual basis who gets to use the bathrooms without federal interference.

The point would be moot if the federal government restricted itself to its proper constitutional powers.

By the way, you wonder why libertarians like me won't support your candidates when you act like an asshole towards us? Big mystery...

Do any of you seriously think this is a realistic solution? For example - in today's day and age a school district is a huuuuge bureaucracy.

Leaving stuff like this up to individual administrators will never happen so long as government is the size it is - but libertarians will never reduce the size of government or become relevant because they are too idealistic.

the local school district decides; that's not that unwieldy of an entity.

Sure it is.

you think a school board/school district is unwieldy government? Who should decide?

[USN_Hokie]

All private property owners decide who gets to use their bathrooms.

The federal government decides who gets to use their bathrooms. Schools should decide based on an individual basis who gets to use the bathrooms without federal interference.

The point would be moot if the federal government restricted itself to its proper constitutional powers.

By the way, you wonder why libertarians like me won't support your candidates when you act like an asshole towards us? Big mystery...

Do any of you seriously think this is a realistic solution? For example - in today's day and age a school district is a huuuuge bureaucracy.

Leaving stuff like this up to individual administrators will never happen so long as government is the size it is - but libertarians will never reduce the size of government or become relevant because they are too idealistic.

the local school district decides; that's not that unwieldy of an entity.

Sure it is.

you think a school board/school district is unwieldy government? Who should decide?

It shouldn't be, but it is. I thought I laid it all out pretty clearly.

[cwtcr hokie]

All private property owners decide who gets to use their bathrooms.

The federal government decides who gets to use their bathrooms. Schools should decide based on an individual basis who gets to use the bathrooms without federal interference.

The point would be moot if the federal government restricted itself to its proper constitutional powers.

By the way, you wonder why libertarians like me won't support your candidates when you act like an asshole towards us? Big mystery...

Do any of you seriously think this is a realistic solution? For example - in today's day and age a school district is a huuuuge bureaucracy.

Leaving stuff like this up to individual administrators will never happen so long as government is the size it is - but libertarians will never reduce the size of government or become relevant because they are too idealistic.

the local school district decides; that's not that unwieldy of an entity.

Sure it is.

you think a school board/school district is unwieldy government? Who should decide?

Part of the point of the State of NC striking down the Charlotte ordinance was that it is really dumb to have individual localities deciding laws like this as then you have 52 different laws in the state. It needs to be a state law. The stupidity of this is the folks that are truly confused and dress as the opposite sex they can use the bathroom as they are dressed and nobody is going to be any wiser most times. So this is all a big debate over nothing.

[BG Hokie]

All private property owners decide who gets to use their bathrooms.

The federal government decides who gets to use their bathrooms. Schools should decide based on an individual basis who gets to use the bathrooms without federal interference.

The point would be moot if the federal government restricted itself to its proper constitutional powers.

By the way, you wonder why libertarians like me won't support your candidates when you act like an asshole towards us? Big mystery...

Do any of you seriously think this is a realistic solution? For example - in today's day and age a school district is a huuuuge bureaucracy.

Leaving stuff like this up to individual administrators will never happen so long as government is the size it is - but libertarians will never reduce the size of government or become relevant because they are too idealistic.

the local school district decides; that's not that unwieldy of an entity.

Sure it is.

you think a school board/school district is unwieldy government? Who should decide?

Part of the point of the State of NC striking down the Charlotte ordinance was that it is really dumb to have individual localities deciding laws like this as then you have 52 different laws in the state. It needs to be a state law. The stupidity of this is the folks that are truly confused and dress as the opposite sex they can use the bathroom as they are dressed and nobody is going to be any wiser most times. So this is all a big debate over nothing.

So you want these things in the hands of big state government rather than private business and local governments? There really shouldn't be 52 different laws, simply have private businesses and community level governments and schools deciding on the policies and procedures they want to have in place. The good news is that it's a very rare situation where this will become an issue, so it's really much ado about nothing IMO.

[cwtcr hokie]

The federal government decides who gets to use their bathrooms. Schools should decide based on an individual basis who gets to use the bathrooms without federal interference.

The point would be moot if the federal government restricted itself to its proper constitutional powers.

By the way, you wonder why libertarians like me won't support your candidates when you act like an asshole towards us? Big mystery...[/quote]

Do any of you seriously think this is a realistic solution? For example - in today's day and age a school district is a huuuuge bureaucracy.

Leaving stuff like this up to individual administrators will never happen so long as government is the size it is - but libertarians will never reduce the size of government or become relevant because they are too idealistic.[/quote]the local school district decides; that's not that unwieldy of an entity.[/quote]

Sure it is.[/quote]you think a school board/school district is unwieldy government? Who should decide?[/quote]

Part of the point of the State of NC striking down the Charlotte ordinance was that it is really dumb to have individual localities deciding laws like this as then you have 52 different laws in the state. It needs to be a state law. The stupidity of this is the folks that are truly confused and dress as the opposite sex they can use the bathroom as they are dressed and nobody is going to be any wiser most times. So this is all a big debate over nothing.[/quote]

So you want these things in the hands of big state government rather than private business and local governments? There really shouldn't be 52 different laws, simply have private businesses and community level governments and schools deciding on the policies and procedures they want to have in place. The good news is that it's a very rare situation where this will become an issue, so it's really much ado about nothing IMO.[/quote]

except you saw what happened, Charlotte forces thru a very flawed ordinance, so the state had no choice but to step in. The hilarity of the situation is all the folks that have no idea what either the ordinance was or what the state law is..... but facts don't matter

[BG Hokie]

except you saw what happened, Charlotte forces thru a very flawed ordinance, so the state had no choice but to step in. The hilarity of the situation is all the folks that have no idea what either the ordinance was or what the state law is..... but facts don't matter

The city law were unnecessary but that doesn't mean the state should have stepped in. Both sets of laws seem like a bad idea to me. It's really not an issue that needs legislation in my opinion. Governments trying to fix stuff that's not broken. By and large, transgenders have been successfully using the bathroom for the sex in which they identify with people rarely being the wiser.

[awesome guy]

except you saw what happened, Charlotte forces thru a very flawed ordinance, so the state had no choice but to step in. The hilarity of the situation is all the folks that have no idea what either the ordinance was or what the state law is..... but facts don't matter

The city law were unnecessary but that doesn't mean the state should have stepped in. Both sets of laws seem like a bad idea to me. It's really not an issue that needs legislation in my opinion. Governments trying to fix stuff that's not broken. By and large, transgenders have been successfully using the bathroom for the sex in which they identify with people rarely being the wiser.

You guys can't understand that these laws keep perverts and sickos out of the ladies room. Understandably, you seem to think the gender confused person is the sicko. While there's a lot of overlap in populations, the sickos in question are the ones looking to sexually assault women, video their privates, etc. When you change the law so that anyone can go in, anyone does. Gender specific laws give women the ability to remove such people at site.

[cwtcr hokie]

except you saw what happened, Charlotte forces thru a very flawed ordinance, so the state had no choice but to step in. The hilarity of the situation is all the folks that have no idea what either the ordinance was or what the state law is..... but facts don't matter

The city law were unnecessary but that doesn't mean the state should have stepped in. Both sets of laws seem like a bad idea to me. It's really not an issue that needs legislation in my opinion. Governments trying to fix stuff that's not broken. By and large, transgenders have been successfully using the bathroom for the sex in which they identify with people rarely being the wiser.

I agree with the whole statement, you are correct.

[cwtcr hokie]

except you saw what happened, Charlotte forces thru a very flawed ordinance, so the state had no choice but to step in. The hilarity of the situation is all the folks that have no idea what either the ordinance was or what the state law is..... but facts don't matter

The city law were unnecessary but that doesn't mean the state should have stepped in. Both sets of laws seem like a bad idea to me. It's really not an issue that needs legislation in my opinion. Governments trying to fix stuff that's not broken. By and large, transgenders have been successfully using the bathroom for the sex in which they identify with people rarely being the wiser.

I agree with the whole statement, you are correct.