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That was never the question, though. The question was how do YOU define consent. Bill's thoughts on the matter are of no consequence.cwtcr hokie wrote:his history suggests he is well acquainted with consent or lack thereofHokie5150 wrote:Why? How would Bill Clinton known how you define consent?cwtcr hokie wrote:We could check with Bill Clinton on that one
Not only that, they'll call you a bigot for your views while arguing we should allow basically unencumbered entrance of migrants from countries where they commit real crimes against women and minorities.awesome guy wrote:It's hilarious how the LIVs go ape sheet crazy over consent to touch while simultaneously are just as extreme defending the right to rip a baby's head off it's body. No concerns over consent there.cwtcr hokie wrote:the way things are these days, I would tell any male no matter the circumstance or age to get a notarized stamped affadavit of consent for any act involving the touching of any of his male body to another human being (including handshakes of course) as in an office setting that can be sexual harassment.nolanvt wrote:I'm curious for those with sons, how will you advise them when they get of age on how to handle girls and how you will educate them on what consent actually is?
They clearly base opinion based on favorite pets instead of a logical and cohesive view.USN_Hokie wrote:Not only that, they'll call you a bigot for your views while arguing we should allow basically unencumbered entrance of migrants from countries where they commit real crimes against women and minorities.awesome guy wrote:It's hilarious how the LIVs go ape sheet crazy over consent to touch while simultaneously are just as extreme defending the right to rip a baby's head off it's body. No concerns over consent there.cwtcr hokie wrote:the way things are these days, I would tell any male no matter the circumstance or age to get a notarized stamped affadavit of consent for any act involving the touching of any of his male body to another human being (including handshakes of course) as in an office setting that can be sexual harassment.nolanvt wrote:I'm curious for those with sons, how will you advise them when they get of age on how to handle girls and how you will educate them on what consent actually is?
Hell, according to Bill Clinton, the rapist here didn't even have sexual relations with that woman.Hokie5150 wrote:That was never the question, though. The question was how do YOU define consent. Bill's thoughts on the matter are of no consequence.cwtcr hokie wrote:his history suggests he is well acquainted with consent or lack thereofHokie5150 wrote:Why? How would Bill Clinton known how you define consent?cwtcr hokie wrote:We could check with Bill Clinton on that one
Haha, yep. Finger and cigar banging weren't sexual, according to him.USN_Hokie wrote:Hell, according to Bill Clinton, the rapist here didn't even have sexual relations with that woman.Hokie5150 wrote:That was never the question, though. The question was how do YOU define consent. Bill's thoughts on the matter are of no consequence.cwtcr hokie wrote:his history suggests he is well acquainted with consent or lack thereofHokie5150 wrote:Why? How would Bill Clinton known how you define consent?cwtcr hokie wrote:We could check with Bill Clinton on that one
This swimmer should have just married an old bag who promises people free stuff, then nolan would be supporting him.awesome guy wrote:Haha, yep. Finger and cigar banging weren't sexual, according to him.USN_Hokie wrote:Hell, according to Bill Clinton, the rapist here didn't even have sexual relations with that woman.Hokie5150 wrote:That was never the question, though. The question was how do YOU define consent. Bill's thoughts on the matter are of no consequence.cwtcr hokie wrote:his history suggests he is well acquainted with consent or lack thereofHokie5150 wrote:Why? How would Bill Clinton known how you define consent?cwtcr hokie wrote:We could check with Bill Clinton on that one
Nolan thinks he needs to administer a BAC test before she can agree to anything.USN_Hokie wrote:This swimmer should have just married an old bag who promises people free stuff, then nolan would be supporting him.awesome guy wrote:Haha, yep. Finger and cigar banging weren't sexual, according to him.USN_Hokie wrote:Hell, according to Bill Clinton, the rapist here didn't even have sexual relations with that woman.Hokie5150 wrote:That was never the question, though. The question was how do YOU define consent. Bill's thoughts on the matter are of no consequence.cwtcr hokie wrote:his history suggests he is well acquainted with consent or lack thereofHokie5150 wrote:Why? How would Bill Clinton known how you define consent?
How about, if a woman is passed out, don't finger her? That's a good start.USN_Hokie wrote:What would you tell your sons?nolanvt wrote:I'm curious for those with sons, how will you advise them when they get of age on how to handle girls and how you will educate them on what consent actually is?
Never have sex with a woman who's been drinking alcohol? Have you ever had sex with a woman (or man, for the PC bros) who was under the influence of alcohol? I assume not.
That's the part in question, if she was passed out then. And using Nolan's BAC standard, he wasn't able to give consent either.HokieFanDC wrote:How about, if a woman is passed out, don't finger her? That's a good start.USN_Hokie wrote:What would you tell your sons?nolanvt wrote:I'm curious for those with sons, how will you advise them when they get of age on how to handle girls and how you will educate them on what consent actually is?
Never have sex with a woman who's been drinking alcohol? Have you ever had sex with a woman (or man, for the PC bros) who was under the influence of alcohol? I assume not.
We're talking about nolan's position, facts have nothing to do with this.HokieFanDC wrote:How about, if a woman is passed out, don't finger her? That's a good start.USN_Hokie wrote:What would you tell your sons?nolanvt wrote:I'm curious for those with sons, how will you advise them when they get of age on how to handle girls and how you will educate them on what consent actually is?
Never have sex with a woman who's been drinking alcohol? Have you ever had sex with a woman (or man, for the PC bros) who was under the influence of alcohol? I assume not.
It's actually not in question. The witnesses who stopped the attack saw that she was blacked out. That means she lost the capacity to consent before that since blacking out is not the threshold to being incapacitated.awesome guy wrote:That's the part in question, if she was passed out then. And using Nolan's BAC standard, he wasn't able to give consent either.HokieFanDC wrote:How about, if a woman is passed out, don't finger her? That's a good start.USN_Hokie wrote:What would you tell your sons?nolanvt wrote:I'm curious for those with sons, how will you advise them when they get of age on how to handle girls and how you will educate them on what consent actually is?
Never have sex with a woman who's been drinking alcohol? Have you ever had sex with a woman (or man, for the PC bros) who was under the influence of alcohol? I assume not.
Rape prevention tip #11 for guys: if you see a woman is drunk out of her mind and has no clue what she's doing, don't rape them.HokieFanDC wrote:How about, if a woman is passed out, don't finger her? That's a good start.USN_Hokie wrote:What would you tell your sons?nolanvt wrote:I'm curious for those with sons, how will you advise them when they get of age on how to handle girls and how you will educate them on what consent actually is?
Never have sex with a woman who's been drinking alcohol? Have you ever had sex with a woman (or man, for the PC bros) who was under the influence of alcohol? I assume not.
Incapacitated is the standard. Hilarious that you think it's the same standard as a DUI. But hey, keep on juggling clown.nolanvt wrote:It's actually not in question. The witnesses who stopped the attack saw that she was blacked out. That means she lost the capacity to consent before that since blacking out is not the threshold to being incapacitated.awesome guy wrote:That's the part in question, if she was passed out then. And using Nolan's BAC standard, he wasn't able to give consent either.HokieFanDC wrote:How about, if a woman is passed out, don't finger her? That's a good start.USN_Hokie wrote:What would you tell your sons?nolanvt wrote:I'm curious for those with sons, how will you advise them when they get of age on how to handle girls and how you will educate them on what consent actually is?
Never have sex with a woman who's been drinking alcohol? Have you ever had sex with a woman (or man, for the PC bros) who was under the influence of alcohol? I assume not.
I don't know what this BAC standard you're talking about is.
Right, incapacitated is the standard, which this girl clearly was even before the witnesses stopped the attack. What you're confusing is that I have previously stated once you get past the legally drunk state, you risk being incapacitated sooner depending on how the person handles alcohol. I've never said that BAC is or should be the strict standard.awesome guy wrote: Incapacitated is the standard. Hilarious that you think it's the same standard as a DUI. But hey, keep on juggling clown.
That's not clear, it's not clear at all when she passed out.nolanvt wrote:Right, incapacitated is the standard, which this girl clearly was even before the witnesses stopped the attack. What you're confusing is that I have previously stated once you get past the legally drunk state, you risk being incapacitated sooner depending on how the person handles alcohol. I've never said that BAC is or should be the strict standard.awesome guy wrote: Incapacitated is the standard. Hilarious that you think it's the same standard as a DUI. But hey, keep on juggling clown.
If you believed that, you would agree the black guy was raped.nolanvt wrote:Rape prevention tip #11 for guys: if you see a woman is drunk out of her mind and has no clue what she's doing, don't rape them.HokieFanDC wrote:How about, if a woman is passed out, don't finger her? That's a good start.USN_Hokie wrote:What would you tell your sons?nolanvt wrote:I'm curious for those with sons, how will you advise them when they get of age on how to handle girls and how you will educate them on what consent actually is?
Never have sex with a woman who's been drinking alcohol? Have you ever had sex with a woman (or man, for the PC bros) who was under the influence of alcohol? I assume not.
You don't have to pass out to be incapacitated.awesome guy wrote:That's not clear, it's not clear at all when she passed out.nolanvt wrote:Right, incapacitated is the standard, which this girl clearly was even before the witnesses stopped the attack. What you're confusing is that I have previously stated once you get past the legally drunk state, you risk being incapacitated sooner depending on how the person handles alcohol. I've never said that BAC is or should be the strict standard.awesome guy wrote: Incapacitated is the standard. Hilarious that you think it's the same standard as a DUI. But hey, keep on juggling clown.
Maybe your red nose is in the way, but you said someone legally drunk isn't able to provide sexual consent. That's hilariously wrong.
LOL. You need more than a beer per hour to be incapacitated.nolanvt wrote:You don't have to pass out to be incapacitated.awesome guy wrote:That's not clear, it's not clear at all when she passed out.nolanvt wrote:Right, incapacitated is the standard, which this girl clearly was even before the witnesses stopped the attack. What you're confusing is that I have previously stated once you get past the legally drunk state, you risk being incapacitated sooner depending on how the person handles alcohol. I've never said that BAC is or should be the strict standard.awesome guy wrote: Incapacitated is the standard. Hilarious that you think it's the same standard as a DUI. But hey, keep on juggling clown.
Maybe your red nose is in the way, but you said someone legally drunk isn't able to provide sexual consent. That's hilariously wrong.
At what BAC level does consent disappear?nolanvt wrote:Learn what consent is under the eyes of the law. One does not have to pass out in order to be incapacitated to give consent.cwtcr hokie wrote:it is rather relevant when she passed out but it brings up a good point. When did the alkeehawl hit her, was she taking lots of shots and it hit her hard or was she drunker than hell the whole time. It appears the guy was also very drunk so how can he comprehend wether she is giving consent or not? His capacity is also limited due to the alkeehawl so maybe she gave clear consent and he would not even know it. I agree both participants were dumb and the guy should have left her passed out next to the dumpster and then get blamed if something happened to her after that. I agree the guy screwed up, is he a rapist, no. Did two college kids screw up, yeppernolanvt wrote:I'm not a low info, so I know that a person doesn't necessarily have to pass out in order to lose the capacity to legally consent. This kid ruined his own life when he committed multiple felonies.awesome guy wrote: False. It's highly relevant. It's pathetic how eager you are to ruin a life forever over finger banging a girl at a frat party. I'm sure you'd sing another tune if it were two queers involved.
According to Legal Beagle Nolan, it's the same as a DUI. He's smart and attended a Twitter thread on the subject.HokieJoe wrote:At what BAC level does consent disappear?nolanvt wrote:Learn what consent is under the eyes of the law. One does not have to pass out in order to be incapacitated to give consent.cwtcr hokie wrote:it is rather relevant when she passed out but it brings up a good point. When did the alkeehawl hit her, was she taking lots of shots and it hit her hard or was she drunker than hell the whole time. It appears the guy was also very drunk so how can he comprehend wether she is giving consent or not? His capacity is also limited due to the alkeehawl so maybe she gave clear consent and he would not even know it. I agree both participants were dumb and the guy should have left her passed out next to the dumpster and then get blamed if something happened to her after that. I agree the guy screwed up, is he a rapist, no. Did two college kids screw up, yeppernolanvt wrote:I'm not a low info, so I know that a person doesn't necessarily have to pass out in order to lose the capacity to legally consent. This kid ruined his own life when he committed multiple felonies.awesome guy wrote: False. It's highly relevant. It's pathetic how eager you are to ruin a life forever over finger banging a girl at a frat party. I'm sure you'd sing another tune if it were two queers involved.
Sorry. I haven't said there's a strict BAC standard.awesome guy wrote: According to Nolan, it's the same as a DUI. He's smart and attended a Twitter thread on the subject.
It's when you're incapacitated. Different people handle certain BAC levels differently.HokieJoe wrote:At what BAC level does consent disappear?nolanvt wrote:Learn what consent is under the eyes of the law. One does not have to pass out in order to be incapacitated to give consent.cwtcr hokie wrote:it is rather relevant when she passed out but it brings up a good point. When did the alkeehawl hit her, was she taking lots of shots and it hit her hard or was she drunker than hell the whole time. It appears the guy was also very drunk so how can he comprehend wether she is giving consent or not? His capacity is also limited due to the alkeehawl so maybe she gave clear consent and he would not even know it. I agree both participants were dumb and the guy should have left her passed out next to the dumpster and then get blamed if something happened to her after that. I agree the guy screwed up, is he a rapist, no. Did two college kids screw up, yeppernolanvt wrote:I'm not a low info, so I know that a person doesn't necessarily have to pass out in order to lose the capacity to legally consent. This kid ruined his own life when he committed multiple felonies.awesome guy wrote: False. It's highly relevant. It's pathetic how eager you are to ruin a life forever over finger banging a girl at a frat party. I'm sure you'd sing another tune if it were two queers involved.
Uh huh. You said intoxicated and then dug in with your blunt skull.nolanvt wrote:Sorry. I haven't said there's a strict BAC standard.awesome guy wrote: According to Nolan, it's the same as a DUI. He's smart and attended a Twitter thread on the subject.
Uh huh. You said intoxicated and then dug in with your blunt skull.nolanvt wrote:Sorry. I haven't said there's a strict BAC standard.awesome guy wrote: According to Nolan, it's the same as a DUI. He's smart and attended a Twitter thread on the subject.