28 pages of Saudi Arabia ties to 9/11 to be released

[HokieFanDC]

I read the rules. Congress decides to declassify information, and they have to tell the POTUS if any of it is about, or comes from, the Exec. Branch. The POTUS can then disagree with the declassification, and notifies Congress.
At this point, the info is classified, because the POTUS said it would stay that way.
If Congress has the votes to override the POTUS, they can do so. They didn't.
It's like every executive action. The POTUS can take the action, and if Congress doesn't have the votes to overturn, the executive action remains.

In everything written about it, the easiest solution is for the current POTUS to declassify the info, because the current POTUS can override any previous POTUS exec action. Obama specifically declined to declassify them, even though he had already promised to do so.

The reason Congress is writing bills is to attempt to override Bush's exec action.

Once Congress votes to release the info that's the end of the path, it's released. It's a safeguard from a president classifying everything they do. The president can disagree, but he can't stop it.

Regardless and through BDS, it's clear Saudi Arabia has tremendous control over both parties, including Bush, Obama, Pelosi, and Reid.

Except that Congress voted to release it, Bush disagreed, and stoppyed it from being released....

There are hundreds of articles about this, probably thousands, and all agree that Bush is the one who stopped the declassification.

Huh? Voted to release what? Congress is just now voting to declassify these pages.

Congress isn't voting to declassify the pages. The Obama administration is declassifying them, b/c the previous admin kept them classified, which will allow Congress to release them. If the Obama admin didn't declassify them, Congress would have to pass a bill to override the exec action which Bush took.

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Funny.

Here are the relevant parts of the CNN article for the reading impaired.

"The long-classified pages detailing alleged ties of the Saudi Arabian government to the 9/11 hijackers will be released by Congress as early as Friday, sources told CNN Thursday."

Note it says the long-classified pages will be RELEASED by Congress. Note the lack of the word DECLASSIFIED.

"Sources said there are still some procedural steps that need to be taken before the release, which members of both parties in Congress and family members of victims have been seeking for years."

Note, Congress has been seeking the release for years.

"Under pressure from the victims' families and lawmakers, President Barack Obama said in April his administration would declassify the pages."

President Obama is the one who has the power to declassify the pages, and Congress and victims' families have been asking for Obama to do so for years.

""The House Intelligence Committee will get the redacted report today or tomorrow," the California Democrat said. "The Senate and House intel committees should then give the formal go ahead to release the report since they originally produced it."

The Intelligence Committee is getting the pages in the form that the Obama admin is allowing them to release it. And since those committees are the ones who produced the report, they are responsible for releasing it. But, they are only doing so with the approval of the Obama admin, and with the content approved by the Obama admin.

[awesome guy]

Funny.

Here are the relevant parts of the CNN article for the reading impaired.

"The long-classified pages detailing alleged ties of the Saudi Arabian government to the 9/11 hijackers will be released by Congress as early as Friday, sources told CNN Thursday."

Note it says the long-classified pages will be RELEASED by Congress. Note the lack of the word DECLASSIFIED.

"Sources said there are still some procedural steps that need to be taken before the release, which members of both parties in Congress and family members of victims have been seeking for years."

Note, Congress has been seeking the release for years.

"Under pressure from the victims' families and lawmakers, President Barack Obama said in April his administration would declassify the pages."

President Obama is the one who has the power to declassify the pages, and Congress and victims' families have been asking for Obama to do so for years.

""The House Intelligence Committee will get the redacted report today or tomorrow," the California Democrat said. "The Senate and House intel committees should then give the formal go ahead to release the report since they originally produced it."

The Intelligence Committee is getting the pages in the form that the Obama admin is allowing them to release it. And since those committees are the ones who produced the report, they are responsible for releasing it. But, they are only doing so with the approval of the Obama admin, and with the content approved by the Obama admin.

That's FROM the reading impaired. Nevermind that you're contradicting your statements above, you still don't comprehend that the executive branch isn't the sole proprietor of classified documents. All 3 branches have the power to release classified information. The executive branch through the pen or normal procedures, the congress as I highlighted above and you continue to not understand, and the judiciary through judicial action. There isn't a single path to releasing classified information, which instantly becomes DECLASSIFIED as your uppercase and obnoxious note erroneously contradicts.

Obama's promising to release the pages soon because if he doesn't, congress is threatening to do so THEMSELVES using the power and process I've outlined a couple of times. Just like congress has the power of the purse and yields it to Obama, they've also yielded their power to release classified information. They don't need Obama to do so and they don't have to go to the veto process. They can do it all within their body. Just as the executive and judicial branches can.

[HokieFanDC]

Funny.

Here are the relevant parts of the CNN article for the reading impaired.

"The long-classified pages detailing alleged ties of the Saudi Arabian government to the 9/11 hijackers will be released by Congress as early as Friday, sources told CNN Thursday."

Note it says the long-classified pages will be RELEASED by Congress. Note the lack of the word DECLASSIFIED.

"Sources said there are still some procedural steps that need to be taken before the release, which members of both parties in Congress and family members of victims have been seeking for years."

Note, Congress has been seeking the release for years.

"Under pressure from the victims' families and lawmakers, President Barack Obama said in April his administration would declassify the pages."

President Obama is the one who has the power to declassify the pages, and Congress and victims' families have been asking for Obama to do so for years.

""The House Intelligence Committee will get the redacted report today or tomorrow," the California Democrat said. "The Senate and House intel committees should then give the formal go ahead to release the report since they originally produced it."

The Intelligence Committee is getting the pages in the form that the Obama admin is allowing them to release it. And since those committees are the ones who produced the report, they are responsible for releasing it. But, they are only doing so with the approval of the Obama admin, and with the content approved by the Obama admin.

That's FROM the reading impaired. Nevermind that you're contradicting your statements above, you still don't comprehend that the executive branch isn't the sole proprietor of classified documents. All 3 branches have the power to release classified information. The executive branch through the pen or normal procedures, the congress as I highlighted above and you continue to not understand, and the judiciary through judicial action. There isn't a single path to releasing classified information, which instantly becomes DECLASSIFIED as your uppercase and obnoxious note erroneously contradicts.

Obama's promising to release the pages soon because if he doesn't, congress is threatening to do so THEMSELVES using the power and process I've outlined a couple of times. Just like congress has the power of the purse and yields it to Obama, they've also yielded their power to release classified information. They don't need Obama to do so and they don't have to go to the veto process. They can do it all within their body. Just as the executive and judicial branches can.

While most of that is true, none of it refutes what I said. I never said that any branch doesn't have the power to classify and declassify information.

And none of it contradicts the fact that the branch of the government that redacted the 28 pages in question, was the Executive branch, not Congress. That fact is still true, and that fact is why it is Obama, as the Exec branch, is the one to declassify that info. When the Exec branch is the authority who classifies info, it is the Exec branch who can declassify it.

That is why the resolutions concerning 28pages have been to urge the POTUS to declassify them, or the current one, which urges the Intelligence Committee to release the 28pages. The recent one doesn't urge or ask to compel Congress to declassify the documents, because they can't. It is urging them to release classified docs under the speech and debate clause.


After all this, do you still think Congress is the body that redacted the pages, not the Exec branch?

[awesome guy]

Funny.

Here are the relevant parts of the CNN article for the reading impaired.

"The long-classified pages detailing alleged ties of the Saudi Arabian government to the 9/11 hijackers will be released by Congress as early as Friday, sources told CNN Thursday."

Note it says the long-classified pages will be RELEASED by Congress. Note the lack of the word DECLASSIFIED.

"Sources said there are still some procedural steps that need to be taken before the release, which members of both parties in Congress and family members of victims have been seeking for years."

Note, Congress has been seeking the release for years.

"Under pressure from the victims' families and lawmakers, President Barack Obama said in April his administration would declassify the pages."

President Obama is the one who has the power to declassify the pages, and Congress and victims' families have been asking for Obama to do so for years.

""The House Intelligence Committee will get the redacted report today or tomorrow," the California Democrat said. "The Senate and House intel committees should then give the formal go ahead to release the report since they originally produced it."

The Intelligence Committee is getting the pages in the form that the Obama admin is allowing them to release it. And since those committees are the ones who produced the report, they are responsible for releasing it. But, they are only doing so with the approval of the Obama admin, and with the content approved by the Obama admin.

That's FROM the reading impaired. Nevermind that you're contradicting your statements above, you still don't comprehend that the executive branch isn't the sole proprietor of classified documents. All 3 branches have the power to release classified information. The executive branch through the pen or normal procedures, the congress as I highlighted above and you continue to not understand, and the judiciary through judicial action. There isn't a single path to releasing classified information, which instantly becomes DECLASSIFIED as your uppercase and obnoxious note erroneously contradicts.

Obama's promising to release the pages soon because if he doesn't, congress is threatening to do so THEMSELVES using the power and process I've outlined a couple of times. Just like congress has the power of the purse and yields it to Obama, they've also yielded their power to release classified information. They don't need Obama to do so and they don't have to go to the veto process. They can do it all within their body. Just as the executive and judicial branches can.

While most of that is true, none of it refutes what I said. I never said that any branch doesn't have the power to classify and declassify information.

And none of it contradicts the fact that the branch of the government that redacted the 28 pages in question, was the Executive branch, not Congress. That fact is still true, and that fact is why it is Obama, as the Exec branch, is the one to declassify that info. When the Exec branch is the authority who classifies info, it is the Exec branch who can declassify it.

That is why the resolutions concerning 28pages have been to urge the POTUS to declassify them, or the current one, which urges the Intelligence Committee to release the 28pages. The recent one doesn't urge or ask to compel Congress to declassify the documents, because they can't. It is urging them to release classified docs under the speech and debate clause.


After all this, do you still think Congress is the body that redacted the pages, not the Exec branch?

Obama hasn't declassified the 28 pages. He has declassified the supporting docs used to build the report. Congress can declassify on it's own, threatened to do so, and now we're waiting on the 28 pages to be redacted from Obama. Then Congress will release the 28 pages of their report, but they have the power to do so on their own and haven't. Too many didn't want to tick off Saudi Arabia and so did things in a way to share blame.

[HokieHam]

They've paid good money to Bill & Hill's hooker fund specifically so they'd NOT be called out

I'm with hoof on this one(I really can't believe I'm saying this and am looking forward to the coming end). You cannot deny the close ties of the Bush family to the Saudi's. Not only that, but why in the hell would w come out after 9/11 saying "Islam is a religion of peace".....I mean, he's the one who promoted that bs. Now, no doubt 0blahblah has taken it to heights of assness.....

[awesome guy]

They've paid good money to Bill & Hill's hooker fund specifically so they'd NOT be called out

I'm with hoof on this one(I really can't believe I'm saying this and am looking forward to the coming end). You cannot deny the close ties of the Bush family to the Saudi's. Not only that, but why in the hell would w come out after 9/11 saying "Islam is a religion of peace".....I mean, he's the one who promoted that bs. Now, no doubt 0blahblah has taken it to heights of assness.....

He's saying it's only Bush. They have power over most all of the government and Obama too. They're a corrupting influence that needs to be broken.