Restoring Law and Order

[ieatbacon]

Crime has been decreasing for approximately 25 years and is at similar levels now to the 1960s. There has been a recent uptick in crime in the last 12-18 months, but crime remains at historical lows.

Is the perception that this recent increase in crime is the start of a longer trend that will erode the decreases we've seen since ~1990? What is the cause of this increase and what are people basing that conclusion on? And what can the President realistically do to affect national crime levels “soon, and I mean very soon" as Trump claims he can do?

What does it mean to restore law and order in the context of current crime rates?

[cwtcr hokie]

Crime has been decreasing for approximately 25 years and is at similar levels now to the 1960s. There has been a recent uptick in crime in the last 12-18 months, but crime remains at historical lows.

Is the perception that this recent increase in crime is the start of a longer trend that will erode the decreases we've seen since ~1990? What is the cause of this increase and what are people basing that conclusion on? And what can the President realistically do to affect national crime levels “soon, and I mean very soon" as Trump claims he can do?

What does it mean to restore law and order in the context of current crime rates?

shoot the criminals, problem solved... why is it increasing, the criminals know there is very little punishment for anything they do

[awesome guy]

Crime has been decreasing for approximately 25 years and is at similar levels now to the 1960s. There has been a recent uptick in crime in the last 12-18 months, but crime remains at historical lows.

Is the perception that this recent increase in crime is the start of a longer trend that will erode the decreases we've seen since ~1990? What is the cause of this increase and what are people basing that conclusion on? And what can the President realistically do to affect national crime levels “soon, and I mean very soon" as Trump claims he can do?

What does it mean to restore law and order in the context of current crime rates?

Obviously at lot of what he was talking about is BLM killing cops. He won't stoke racial animosity like Obama does and will prosecute the agitators.

[HokieJoe]

Crime has been decreasing for approximately 25 years and is at similar levels now to the 1960s. There has been a recent uptick in crime in the last 12-18 months, but crime remains at historical lows.

Is the perception that this recent increase in crime is the start of a longer trend that will erode the decreases we've seen since ~1990? What is the cause of this increase and what are people basing that conclusion on? And what can the President realistically do to affect national crime levels “soon, and I mean very soon" as Trump claims he can do?

What does it mean to restore law and order in the context of current crime rates?

POTUS sets the tone. The chief law enforcement officer of the country is appointed by the POTUS. Obama has played politics with law enforcement from early on in his Presidency.

[awesome guy]

Crime has been decreasing for approximately 25 years and is at similar levels now to the 1960s. There has been a recent uptick in crime in the last 12-18 months, but crime remains at historical lows.

Is the perception that this recent increase in crime is the start of a longer trend that will erode the decreases we've seen since ~1990? What is the cause of this increase and what are people basing that conclusion on? And what can the President realistically do to affect national crime levels “soon, and I mean very soon" as Trump claims he can do?

What does it mean to restore law and order in the context of current crime rates?

Obviously at lot of what he was talking about is BLM killing cops. He won't stoke racial animosity like Obama does and will prosecute the agitators to end it. Another front is deporting illegal aliens that drive a lot of crime. He also called out helping the Democrat urban centers fight crime and end gang violence. Easy peasy to understand.

[ieatbacon]

Crime has been decreasing for approximately 25 years and is at similar levels now to the 1960s. There has been a recent uptick in crime in the last 12-18 months, but crime remains at historical lows.

Is the perception that this recent increase in crime is the start of a longer trend that will erode the decreases we've seen since ~1990? What is the cause of this increase and what are people basing that conclusion on? And what can the President realistically do to affect national crime levels “soon, and I mean very soon" as Trump claims he can do?

What does it mean to restore law and order in the context of current crime rates?

Obviously at lot of what he was talking about is BLM killing cops. He won't stoke racial animosity like Obama does and will prosecute the agitators to end it. Another front is deporting illegal aliens that drive a lot of crime. He also called out helping the Democrat urban centers fight crime and end gang violence. Easy peasy to understand.

Just to make sure I understand. We blame Obama for the recent shootings of cops and recent increases in violent crime. But the larger decrease in violent crime, over Obama's full presidency is due to a complex set of factors, which would be silly to attribute to a single person, even the POTUS, correct?

[awesome guy]

Crime has been decreasing for approximately 25 years and is at similar levels now to the 1960s. There has been a recent uptick in crime in the last 12-18 months, but crime remains at historical lows.

Is the perception that this recent increase in crime is the start of a longer trend that will erode the decreases we've seen since ~1990? What is the cause of this increase and what are people basing that conclusion on? And what can the President realistically do to affect national crime levels “soon, and I mean very soon" as Trump claims he can do?

What does it mean to restore law and order in the context of current crime rates?

Obviously at lot of what he was talking about is BLM killing cops. He won't stoke racial animosity like Obama does and will prosecute the agitators to end it. Another front is deporting illegal aliens that drive a lot of crime. He also called out helping the Democrat urban centers fight crime and end gang violence. Easy peasy to understand.

Just to make sure I understand. We blame Obama for the recent shootings of cops and recent increases in violent crime. But the larger decrease in violent crime, over Obama's full presidency is due to a complex set of factors, which would be silly to attribute to a single person, even the POTUS, correct?

Hmmm. Let's think this through a bit. Since crime is on a dramatic uptick over the last year, is it really down?

[CFB Apologist]

Crime has been decreasing for approximately 25 years and is at similar levels now to the 1960s. There has been a recent uptick in crime in the last 12-18 months, but crime remains at historical lows.

Is the perception that this recent increase in crime is the start of a longer trend that will erode the decreases we've seen since ~1990? What is the cause of this increase and what are people basing that conclusion on? And what can the President realistically do to affect national crime levels “soon, and I mean very soon" as Trump claims he can do?

What does it mean to restore law and order in the context of current crime rates?

Yeah.. this is like Obama's fake job stats "Obama added 300,000 jobs in July". Is "crime" going down in Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, LA? Are terror attacks "down" yep.. 1 million jobs a month added by Obama.. 10 million jobs lost by Bush his last month in office. honk honk honk

[ieatbacon]

Crime has been decreasing for approximately 25 years and is at similar levels now to the 1960s. There has been a recent uptick in crime in the last 12-18 months, but crime remains at historical lows.

Is the perception that this recent increase in crime is the start of a longer trend that will erode the decreases we've seen since ~1990? What is the cause of this increase and what are people basing that conclusion on? And what can the President realistically do to affect national crime levels “soon, and I mean very soon" as Trump claims he can do?

What does it mean to restore law and order in the context of current crime rates?

Obviously at lot of what he was talking about is BLM killing cops. He won't stoke racial animosity like Obama does and will prosecute the agitators to end it. Another front is deporting illegal aliens that drive a lot of crime. He also called out helping the Democrat urban centers fight crime and end gang violence. Easy peasy to understand.

Just to make sure I understand. We blame Obama for the recent shootings of cops and recent increases in violent crime. But the larger decrease in violent crime, over Obama's full presidency is due to a complex set of factors, which would be silly to attribute to a single person, even the POTUS, correct?

Hmmm. Let's think this through a bit. Since crime is on a dramatic uptick over the last year, is it really down?

Nationwide. Statistically. It appears so. FBI only has data for first half of 2015, do you have more recent nationwide data?

[awesome guy]

Crime has been decreasing for approximately 25 years and is at similar levels now to the 1960s. There has been a recent uptick in crime in the last 12-18 months, but crime remains at historical lows.

Is the perception that this recent increase in crime is the start of a longer trend that will erode the decreases we've seen since ~1990? What is the cause of this increase and what are people basing that conclusion on? And what can the President realistically do to affect national crime levels “soon, and I mean very soon" as Trump claims he can do?

What does it mean to restore law and order in the context of current crime rates?

Obviously at lot of what he was talking about is BLM killing cops. He won't stoke racial animosity like Obama does and will prosecute the agitators to end it. Another front is deporting illegal aliens that drive a lot of crime. He also called out helping the Democrat urban centers fight crime and end gang violence. Easy peasy to understand.

Just to make sure I understand. We blame Obama for the recent shootings of cops and recent increases in violent crime. But the larger decrease in violent crime, over Obama's full presidency is due to a complex set of factors, which would be silly to attribute to a single person, even the POTUS, correct?

Hmmm. Let's think this through a bit. Since crime is on a dramatic uptick over the last year, is it really down?

Nationwide. Statistically. It appears so. FBI only has data for first half of 2015, do you have more recent nationwide data?

The change from 2015 is what he referenced. What else should we consider?

[ieatbacon]

Crime has been decreasing for approximately 25 years and is at similar levels now to the 1960s. There has been a recent uptick in crime in the last 12-18 months, but crime remains at historical lows.

Is the perception that this recent increase in crime is the start of a longer trend that will erode the decreases we've seen since ~1990? What is the cause of this increase and what are people basing that conclusion on? And what can the President realistically do to affect national crime levels “soon, and I mean very soon" as Trump claims he can do?

What does it mean to restore law and order in the context of current crime rates?

Obviously at lot of what he was talking about is BLM killing cops. He won't stoke racial animosity like Obama does and will prosecute the agitators to end it. Another front is deporting illegal aliens that drive a lot of crime. He also called out helping the Democrat urban centers fight crime and end gang violence. Easy peasy to understand.

Just to make sure I understand. We blame Obama for the recent shootings of cops and recent increases in violent crime. But the larger decrease in violent crime, over Obama's full presidency is due to a complex set of factors, which would be silly to attribute to a single person, even the POTUS, correct?

Hmmm. Let's think this through a bit. Since crime is on a dramatic uptick over the last year, is it really down?

Nationwide. Statistically. It appears so. FBI only has data for first half of 2015, do you have more recent nationwide data?

The change from 2015 is what he referenced. What else should we consider?

Where's the data and how does it compare to the previous 8 or 25 years? Quantify "dramatic increase". Context matters.

[awesome guy]

Obviously at lot of what he was talking about is BLM killing cops. He won't stoke racial animosity like Obama does and will prosecute the agitators to end it. Another front is deporting illegal aliens that drive a lot of crime. He also called out helping the Democrat urban centers fight crime and end gang violence. Easy peasy to understand.

Just to make sure I understand. We blame Obama for the recent shootings of cops and recent increases in violent crime. But the larger decrease in violent crime, over Obama's full presidency is due to a complex set of factors, which would be silly to attribute to a single person, even the POTUS, correct?

Hmmm. Let's think this through a bit. Since crime is on a dramatic uptick over the last year, is it really down?

Nationwide. Statistically. It appears so. FBI only has data for first half of 2015, do you have more recent nationwide data?

The change from 2015 is what he referenced. What else should we consider?

Where's the data and how does it compare to the previous 8 or 25 years? Quantify "dramatic increase". Context matters.

The stats were in his speech.

[ieatbacon]

The stats were in his speech.

Why would anyone trust cherry-picked numbers by a politician? That's a good way to be a LIV.

[awesome guy]

The stats were in his speech.

Why would anyone trust cherry-picked numbers by a politician? That's a good way to be a LIV.

Uh huh. Can you refute his points or are you going to continue feigning ambiguity?

[USN_Hokie]

Crime has been decreasing for approximately 25 years and is at similar levels now to the 1960s. There has been a recent uptick in crime in the last 12-18 months, but crime remains at historical lows.

Is the perception that this recent increase in crime is the start of a longer trend that will erode the decreases we've seen since ~1990? What is the cause of this increase and what are people basing that conclusion on? And what can the President realistically do to affect national crime levels “soon, and I mean very soon" as Trump claims he can do?

What does it mean to restore law and order in the context of current crime rates?

To clarify: There has been an increase (with an unknown statistical significance) in violent crime in urban areas - IE, blacks. I think it's a combination of:

1. Everyone carries a video camera in their pocket + social media (Ferguson Effect, just as the FBI director stated).

2. Side effect of administration's attempt to create a wedge issue and get black voters to polls. We know how democrats do on the ballot when the name Obama isn't on it - see 2010. The administration needs a campaign to carrot to dangle in front of black voters to get them to the polls in November - particularly since democrats also are for importing low-skilled workers who will take jobs from blacks. While they're getting blacks fired up, they're also empowering them to resist/be confrontational with police, which is just exacerbating the problem.

Think about what you see on social media after each of these cop killings - hundreds of people PUBLICLY stating they support these acts. How many white people stormed (excuse the pun) twitter/facebook with rants supporting Dylan Roof? None, because know what would happen to them if they did. Blacks have been empowered to resist/disrespect the rule of law - hence, an increase in crime. Cops are being assassinated and the AG's response is to tell protesters to not be discouraged.

Note that this is completely independant of the decrease in crime over the last 25 years - that happened for larger and independent reasons.

[ieatbacon]

The stats were in his speech.

Why would anyone trust cherry-picked numbers by a politician? That's a good way to be a LIV.

Uh huh. Can you refute his points or are you going to continue feigning ambiguity?

His statistics were correct and not ambiguous, but they weren't nationwide statistics and they ignored the broader trend to paint a picture beneficial to him. They'd be important if he was running for mayor of DC, Baltimore, or Chicago, but those aren't the jobs he's running for. The President has very little impact on local crime rates, especially over the short term. To blame the current president for recent increases in some cities, and to believe Trump can change that trend is silly. That's not the Presidents job.

[awesome guy]

The stats were in his speech.

Why would anyone trust cherry-picked numbers by a politician? That's a good way to be a LIV.

Uh huh. Can you refute his points or are you going to continue feigning ambiguity?

His statistics were correct and not ambiguous, but they weren't nationwide statistics and they ignored the broader trend to paint a picture beneficial to him. They'd be important if he was running for mayor of DC, Baltimore, or Chicago, but those aren't the jobs he's running for. The President has very little impact on local crime rates, especially over the short term. To blame the current president for recent increases in some cities, and to believe Trump can change that trend is silly. That's not the Presidents job.

I've already refuted that above.

[cwtcr hokie]

The stats were in his speech.

Why would anyone trust cherry-picked numbers by a politician? That's a good way to be a LIV.

Uh huh. Can you refute his points or are you going to continue feigning ambiguity?

His statistics were correct and not ambiguous, but they weren't nationwide statistics and they ignored the broader trend to paint a picture beneficial to him. They'd be important if he was running for mayor of DC, Baltimore, or Chicago, but those aren't the jobs he's running for. The President has very little impact on local crime rates, especially over the short term. To blame the current president for recent increases in some cities, and to believe Trump can change that trend is silly. That's not the Presidents job.

ask any law enforcement folks if they support our current prez..... the answer is very very very few. Why? because he has been supporting the criminals that have run ins with cops, the tone is set from the top. The problem is not the folks that think laws do not apply to them, but the mean ol po po. The sad thing is he is a black person, and the biggest danger to a black person is another black person.... why does he not plead with his own race to stop killing each other? Like the 20 black folks killed in Chicago this weekend. Maybe it will save some of them but blame the mean ol po po.

[ieatbacon]

The stats were in his speech.

Why would anyone trust cherry-picked numbers by a politician? That's a good way to be a LIV.

Uh huh. Can you refute his points or are you going to continue feigning ambiguity?

His statistics were correct and not ambiguous, but they weren't nationwide statistics and they ignored the broader trend to paint a picture beneficial to him. They'd be important if he was running for mayor of DC, Baltimore, or Chicago, but those aren't the jobs he's running for. The President has very little impact on local crime rates, especially over the short term. To blame the current president for recent increases in some cities, and to believe Trump can change that trend is silly. That's not the Presidents job.

ask any law enforcement folks if they support our current prez..... the answer is very very very few. Why? because he has been supporting the criminals that have run ins with cops, the tone is set from the top. The problem is not the folks that think laws do not apply to them, but the mean ol po po. The sad thing is he is a black person, and the biggest danger to a black person is another black person.... why does he not plead with his own race to stop killing each other? Like the 20 black folks killed in Chicago this weekend. Maybe it will save some of them but blame the mean ol po po.

Forming your opinion based on asking law enforcement folks you know/interact with would be an example of an availability bias. Thinking crime is skyrocketing based on the most recent data is an example of recency bias. It's important to avoid these cognitive biases.

[awesome guy]

The stats were in his speech.

Why would anyone trust cherry-picked numbers by a politician? That's a good way to be a LIV.

Uh huh. Can you refute his points or are you going to continue feigning ambiguity?

His statistics were correct and not ambiguous, but they weren't nationwide statistics and they ignored the broader trend to paint a picture beneficial to him. They'd be important if he was running for mayor of DC, Baltimore, or Chicago, but those aren't the jobs he's running for. The President has very little impact on local crime rates, especially over the short term. To blame the current president for recent increases in some cities, and to believe Trump can change that trend is silly. That's not the Presidents job.

ask any law enforcement folks if they support our current prez..... the answer is very very very few. Why? because he has been supporting the criminals that have run ins with cops, the tone is set from the top. The problem is not the folks that think laws do not apply to them, but the mean ol po po. The sad thing is he is a black person, and the biggest danger to a black person is another black person.... why does he not plead with his own race to stop killing each other? Like the 20 black folks killed in Chicago this weekend. Maybe it will save some of them but blame the mean ol po po.

Forming your opinion based on asking law enforcement folks you know/interact with would be an example of an availability bias. Thinking crime is skyrocketing based on the most recent data is an example of recency bias. It's important to avoid these cognitive biases.

It's common sense to address issues as they arise. This one is easy to identify root cause.

[HokieFanDC]

The stats were in his speech.

Why would anyone trust cherry-picked numbers by a politician? That's a good way to be a LIV.

Uh huh. Can you refute his points or are you going to continue feigning ambiguity?

His statistics were correct and not ambiguous, but they weren't nationwide statistics and they ignored the broader trend to paint a picture beneficial to him. They'd be important if he was running for mayor of DC, Baltimore, or Chicago, but those aren't the jobs he's running for. The President has very little impact on local crime rates, especially over the short term. To blame the current president for recent increases in some cities, and to believe Trump can change that trend is silly. That's not the Presidents job.

ask any law enforcement folks if they support our current prez..... the answer is very very very few. Why? because he has been supporting the criminals that have run ins with cops, the tone is set from the top. The problem is not the folks that think laws do not apply to them, but the mean ol po po. The sad thing is he is a black person, and the biggest danger to a black person is another black person.... why does he not plead with his own race to stop killing each other? Like the 20 black folks killed in Chicago this weekend. Maybe it will save some of them but blame the mean ol po po.

Forming your opinion based on asking law enforcement folks you know/interact with would be an example of an availability bias. Thinking crime is skyrocketing based on the most recent data is an example of recency bias. It's important to avoid these cognitive biases.[/quote

Trump was basing it on reactions from police officers from many places who feel like they are being attacked by the WH. And it's not just his words. In addition to Obama suggesting that the police have a huge issue to solve (which is factually incorrect), he also commuted the sentences of more criminals than the last 7 presidents combined. It's a slap in the face opposite officers doing their jobs. And when the POTUS only tells one side of the police violence issue, it's saying he's not on their side. There is no doubt that he has belittled law enforcement and emboldened the groups like BLM, who despite their claims, have members who have called for violence, and who's stated goals are anti-police.

[RiverguyVT]

Crime has been decreasing for approximately 25 years and is at similar levels now to the 1960s. There has been a recent uptick in crime in the last 12-18 months, but crime remains at historical lows.

Is the perception that this recent increase in crime is the start of a longer trend that will erode the decreases we've seen since ~1990? What is the cause of this increase and what are people basing that conclusion on? And what can the President realistically do to affect national crime levels “soon, and I mean very soon" as Trump claims he can do?

What does it mean to restore law and order in the context of current crime rates?

Old fashioned populism. It is meaningless on a literal level. Appeal to emotion.

Symbolically, it is a shot at O for stoking BLM nonsense, and a shot at Hillary!-> for being lawless. It is a good card to play when ones opponent can absolutely not play it.

[ieatbacon]

Trump was basing it on reactions from police officers from many places who feel like they are being attacked by the WH. And it's not just his words. In addition to Obama suggesting that the police have a huge issue to solve (which is factually incorrect), he also commuted the sentences of more criminals than the last 7 presidents combined. It's a slap in the face opposite officers doing their jobs. And when the POTUS only tells one side of the police violence issue, it's saying he's not on their side. There is no doubt that he has belittled law enforcement and emboldened the groups like BLM, who despite their claims, have members who have called for violence, and who's stated goals are anti-police.

Do you believe Obama's actions/words have had a material effect on crime rates? Do you believe Trump can reverse recent increases in crime in major cities "soon, and I mean very soon"? If Obama's action was a major factor, why did he only start having an impact on crime in 2015, and not 2009?

[ieatbacon]

Crime has been decreasing for approximately 25 years and is at similar levels now to the 1960s. There has been a recent uptick in crime in the last 12-18 months, but crime remains at historical lows.

Is the perception that this recent increase in crime is the start of a longer trend that will erode the decreases we've seen since ~1990? What is the cause of this increase and what are people basing that conclusion on? And what can the President realistically do to affect national crime levels “soon, and I mean very soon" as Trump claims he can do?

What does it mean to restore law and order in the context of current crime rates?

Old fashioned populism. It is meaningless on a literal level. Appeal to emotion.

Symbolically, it is a shot at O for stoking BLM nonsense, and a shot at Hillary!-> for being lawless. It is a good card to play when ones opponent can absolutely not play it.

Agree completely, that's what I was getting at. Good politics (probably). It's 95% a local or state issue.

[awesome guy]

Trump was basing it on reactions from police officers from many places who feel like they are being attacked by the WH. And it's not just his words. In addition to Obama suggesting that the police have a huge issue to solve (which is factually incorrect), he also commuted the sentences of more criminals than the last 7 presidents combined. It's a slap in the face opposite officers doing their jobs. And when the POTUS only tells one side of the police violence issue, it's saying he's not on their side. There is no doubt that he has belittled law enforcement and emboldened the groups like BLM, who despite their claims, have members who have called for violence, and who's stated goals are anti-police.

Do you believe Obama's actions/words have had a material effect on crime rates? Do you believe Trump can reverse recent increases in crime in major cities "soon, and I mean very soon"? If Obama's action was a major factor, why did he only start having an impact on crime in 2015, and not 2009?

His BLM warm kiss is certainly driving cop killings. Just ask the cops.