How Obamacare will ruin your health care and life

[Techmomof2]

http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/1 ... -your-life


Your private insurance premiums will cost more and more each year.

You will lose the choices and flexibility in health insurance policies that we have had available up until now.

As reimbursements continue to drop, fewer and fewer doctors will take Medicare (for those 65 and older) or Medicaid (people younger than 65).

Fewer doctors accepting Medicare and Medicaid causes an increase in wait times for appointments and a decrease in the numbers and types of specialists available on these plans. Consumers would be wise to line up their doctors now.

Studies from various organizations and states have consistently shown that Medicaid recipients have longer waits for medical care, fewer options for specialists, poorer medical outcomes, and die sooner after surgeries than people with no health insurance at all. Yet an increasing number of Americans will be forced into this second-class medical care.

[cwtcr hokie]

oh yea, it is fubar for sure.... lets hope the country actually thinks some before the next elections and we can try and stop the destruction aca does

http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/1 ... -your-life


Your private insurance premiums will cost more and more each year.

You will lose the choices and flexibility in health insurance policies that we have had available up until now.

As reimbursements continue to drop, fewer and fewer doctors will take Medicare (for those 65 and older) or Medicaid (people younger than 65).

Fewer doctors accepting Medicare and Medicaid causes an increase in wait times for appointments and a decrease in the numbers and types of specialists available on these plans. Consumers would be wise to line up their doctors now.

Studies from various organizations and states have consistently shown that Medicaid recipients have longer waits for medical care, fewer options for specialists, poorer medical outcomes, and die sooner after surgeries than people with no health insurance at all. Yet an increasing number of Americans will be forced into this second-class medical care.

[Once]

Are there insurance options/companies/plans that are more immune than others to what you see on the horizon?

http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/1 ... -your-life


Your private insurance premiums will cost more and more each year.

You will lose the choices and flexibility in health insurance policies that we have had available up until now.

As reimbursements continue to drop, fewer and fewer doctors will take Medicare (for those 65 and older) or Medicaid (people younger than 65).

Fewer doctors accepting Medicare and Medicaid causes an increase in wait times for appointments and a decrease in the numbers and types of specialists available on these plans. Consumers would be wise to line up their doctors now.

Studies from various organizations and states have consistently shown that Medicaid recipients have longer waits for medical care, fewer options for specialists, poorer medical outcomes, and die sooner after surgeries than people with no health insurance at all. Yet an increasing number of Americans will be forced into this second-class medical care.

[Techmomof2]

No, there are not. Obamacare is designed to descend into absolute chaos until the government rushes in to rescue us with single payer. Wait until people who signed up at healthcare.gov realize in January when they seek medical care that they are not covered at all.

Obamacare is a self-populated NSA database and massive transfer of wealth. Your health CARE isn't on the radar. No security at all has been designed into the system. There is 'no reasonable expectation of privacy'. It violates HIPAA and the Hippocratic Oath.

Monica Crowley at David Horowitz's Restoration Weekend
http://vimeo.com/80242225#

Are there insurance options/companies/plans that are more immune than others to what you see on the horizon?

http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/1 ... -your-life


Your private insurance premiums will cost more and more each year.

You will lose the choices and flexibility in health insurance policies that we have had available up until now.

As reimbursements continue to drop, fewer and fewer doctors will take Medicare (for those 65 and older) or Medicaid (people younger than 65).

Fewer doctors accepting Medicare and Medicaid causes an increase in wait times for appointments and a decrease in the numbers and types of specialists available on these plans. Consumers would be wise to line up their doctors now.

Studies from various organizations and states have consistently shown that Medicaid recipients have longer waits for medical care, fewer options for specialists, poorer medical outcomes, and die sooner after surgeries than people with no health insurance at all. Yet an increasing number of Americans will be forced into this second-class medical care.

[HokieFanDC]

No, there are not. Obamacare is designed to descend into absolute chaos until the government rushes in to rescue us with single payer. Wait until people who signed up at healthcare.gov realize in January when they seek medical care that they are not covered at all.

Obamacare is a self-populated NSA database and massive transfer of wealth. Your health CARE isn't on the radar. No security at all has been designed into the system. There is 'no reasonable expectation of privacy'. It violates HIPAA and the Hippocratic Oath.

Monica Crowley at David Horowitz's Restoration Weekend
http://vimeo.com/80242225#

Are there insurance options/companies/plans that are more immune than others to what you see on the horizon?

http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/1 ... -your-life


Your private insurance premiums will cost more and more each year.

You will lose the choices and flexibility in health insurance policies that we have had available up until now.

As reimbursements continue to drop, fewer and fewer doctors will take Medicare (for those 65 and older) or Medicaid (people younger than 65).

Fewer doctors accepting Medicare and Medicaid causes an increase in wait times for appointments and a decrease in the numbers and types of specialists available on these plans. Consumers would be wise to line up their doctors now.

Studies from various organizations and states have consistently shown that Medicaid recipients have longer waits for medical care, fewer options for specialists, poorer medical outcomes, and die sooner after surgeries than people with no health insurance at all. Yet an increasing number of Americans will be forced into this second-class medical care.

Can you provide a summary of the important parts of the video, or some timestamps? Listening to 47 minutes of Monica Crowley is not something a sane person will choose to do.

[133743Hokie]

No, there are not. Obamacare is designed to descend into absolute chaos until the government rushes in to rescue us with single payer. Wait until people who signed up at healthcare.gov realize in January when they seek medical care that they are not covered at all.

Obamacare is a self-populated NSA database and massive transfer of wealth. Your health CARE isn't on the radar. No security at all has been designed into the system. There is 'no reasonable expectation of privacy'. It violates HIPAA and the Hippocratic Oath.

Monica Crowley at David Horowitz's Restoration Weekend
http://vimeo.com/80242225#

Are there insurance options/companies/plans that are more immune than others to what you see on the horizon?

http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/1 ... -your-life


Your private insurance premiums will cost more and more each year.

You will lose the choices and flexibility in health insurance policies that we have had available up until now.

As reimbursements continue to drop, fewer and fewer doctors will take Medicare (for those 65 and older) or Medicaid (people younger than 65).

Fewer doctors accepting Medicare and Medicaid causes an increase in wait times for appointments and a decrease in the numbers and types of specialists available on these plans. Consumers would be wise to line up their doctors now.

Studies from various organizations and states have consistently shown that Medicaid recipients have longer waits for medical care, fewer options for specialists, poorer medical outcomes, and die sooner after surgeries than people with no health insurance at all. Yet an increasing number of Americans will be forced into this second-class medical care.

A little over the top about a self-populated NSA database. And it isn't as much a transfer of wealth as it's made out to be. In reality the seniors "that have" are being subsidized by the millennial "that haven't", so it's really a shifting of payment responsibility more than a transfer of wealth.

[Jack Galt]

A little over the top about a self-populated NSA database. And it isn't as much a transfer of wealth as it's made out to be. In reality the seniors "that have" are being subsidized by the millennial "that haven't", so it's really a shifting of payment responsibility more than a transfer of wealth.

By forcing people to pay way too much for insurance premiums that they are less likely to need or use so that others who are more likely to use the insurance don't have to pay the premiums that would be required for their use is more than a mere shifting of payment responsibility. When the subsidies are factored in, there is definitely a transfer of wealth.

Essentially, this is making people pay for a MB S-Class AMG while driving a Nissan Versa so somebody else who can only afford a Ford Focus can drive a BMW 5-series.

*Note: Not going to argue about the NSA database. They already have that info unless you are so far off the grid the sun has trouble finding you.

[133743Hokie]

A little over the top about a self-populated NSA database. And it isn't as much a transfer of wealth as it's made out to be. In reality the seniors "that have" are being subsidized by the millennial "that haven't", so it's really a shifting of payment responsibility more than a transfer of wealth.

By forcing people to pay way too much for insurance premiums that they are less likely to need or use so that others who are more likely to use the insurance don't have to pay the premiums that would be required for their use is more than a mere shifting of payment responsibility. When the subsidies are factored in, there is definitely a transfer of wealth.

Essentially, this is making people pay for a MB S-Class AMG while driving a Nissan Versa so somebody else who can only afford a Ford Focus can drive a BMW 5-series.

*Note: Not going to argue about the NSA database. They already have that info unless you are so far off the grid the sun has trouble finding you.

And how is that different than social security, medicaid, general taxes, etc.

I don't agree with Obamacare at all, but the "transfer of wealth" is just a far right talking point that is not based in reality or facts.

And as for the NSA, don't be afraid of your shadow. They have much. much, much less info., if any, of the average Americans. Trust me, this is the community I spent the last 20 years working in. I know.

[HokieFanDC]

A little over the top about a self-populated NSA database. And it isn't as much a transfer of wealth as it's made out to be. In reality the seniors "that have" are being subsidized by the millennial "that haven't", so it's really a shifting of payment responsibility more than a transfer of wealth.

By forcing people to pay way too much for insurance premiums that they are less likely to need or use so that others who are more likely to use the insurance don't have to pay the premiums that would be required for their use is more than a mere shifting of payment responsibility. When the subsidies are factored in, there is definitely a transfer of wealth.

Essentially, this is making people pay for a MB S-Class AMG while driving a Nissan Versa so somebody else who can only afford a Ford Focus can drive a BMW 5-series.

*Note: Not going to argue about the NSA database. They already have that info unless you are so far off the grid the sun has trouble finding you.

And how is that different than social security, medicaid, general taxes, etc.

I don't agree with Obamacare at all, but the "transfer of wealth" is just a far right talking point that is not based in reality or facts.

And as for the NSA, don't be afraid of your shadow. They have much. much, much less info., if any, of the average Americans. Trust me, this is the community I spent the last 20 years working in. I know.

One of my biggest issues with ACA is that it does not do much, if anything to reduce costs. In the pre-ACA environment, everyone was still receiving healthcare. People who didn't have health insurance were still getting it, and not paying for it, and the average American was paying for it with their taxes. Under the ACA, just getting more people to use actual health insurance, albeit much of it subsidized, should be a cost reduction, and a reduction of taxes. But, it's not, because the ACA is just a poorly written and executed plan. But, to say that we are now paying for people's health care, and that we weren't before, is fiction.

[awesome guy]

A little over the top about a self-populated NSA database. And it isn't as much a transfer of wealth as it's made out to be. In reality the seniors "that have" are being subsidized by the millennial "that haven't", so it's really a shifting of payment responsibility more than a transfer of wealth.

By forcing people to pay way too much for insurance premiums that they are less likely to need or use so that others who are more likely to use the insurance don't have to pay the premiums that would be required for their use is more than a mere shifting of payment responsibility. When the subsidies are factored in, there is definitely a transfer of wealth.

Essentially, this is making people pay for a MB S-Class AMG while driving a Nissan Versa so somebody else who can only afford a Ford Focus can drive a BMW 5-series.

*Note: Not going to argue about the NSA database. They already have that info unless you are so far off the grid the sun has trouble finding you.

And how is that different than social security, medicaid, general taxes, etc.

I don't agree with Obamacare at all, but the "transfer of wealth" is just a far right talking point that is not based in reality or facts.

And as for the NSA, don't be afraid of your shadow. They have much. much, much less info., if any, of the average Americans. Trust me, this is the community I spent the last 20 years working in. I know.

One of my biggest issues with ACA is that it does not do much, if anything to reduce costs. In the pre-ACA environment, everyone was still receiving healthcare. People who didn't have health insurance were still getting it, and not paying for it, and the average American was paying for it with their taxes. Under the ACA, just getting more people to use actual health insurance, albeit much of it subsidized, should be a cost reduction, and a reduction of taxes. But, it's not, because the ACA is just a poorly written and executed plan. But, to say that we are now paying for people's health care, and that we weren't before, is fiction.

You seem to get lost in scale. Only people going to the emergency room and the split on the bill got "free" insurance before. Now everyone in the lower class and worse off will get free/subsidized healthcare. He just compounded the issue all the while making it more difficult for doctors to engage in their craft.

[HokieFanDC]

A little over the top about a self-populated NSA database. And it isn't as much a transfer of wealth as it's made out to be. In reality the seniors "that have" are being subsidized by the millennial "that haven't", so it's really a shifting of payment responsibility more than a transfer of wealth.

By forcing people to pay way too much for insurance premiums that they are less likely to need or use so that others who are more likely to use the insurance don't have to pay the premiums that would be required for their use is more than a mere shifting of payment responsibility. When the subsidies are factored in, there is definitely a transfer of wealth.

Essentially, this is making people pay for a MB S-Class AMG while driving a Nissan Versa so somebody else who can only afford a Ford Focus can drive a BMW 5-series.

*Note: Not going to argue about the NSA database. They already have that info unless you are so far off the grid the sun has trouble finding you.

And how is that different than social security, medicaid, general taxes, etc.

I don't agree with Obamacare at all, but the "transfer of wealth" is just a far right talking point that is not based in reality or facts.

And as for the NSA, don't be afraid of your shadow. They have much. much, much less info., if any, of the average Americans. Trust me, this is the community I spent the last 20 years working in. I know.

One of my biggest issues with ACA is that it does not do much, if anything to reduce costs. In the pre-ACA environment, everyone was still receiving healthcare. People who didn't have health insurance were still getting it, and not paying for it, and the average American was paying for it with their taxes. Under the ACA, just getting more people to use actual health insurance, albeit much of it subsidized, should be a cost reduction, and a reduction of taxes. But, it's not, because the ACA is just a poorly written and executed plan. But, to say that we are now paying for people's health care, and that we weren't before, is fiction.

You seem to get lost in scale. Only people going to the emergency room and the split on the bill got "free" insurance before. Now everyone in the lower class and worse off will get free/subsidized healthcare. He just compounded the issue all the while making it more difficult for doctors to engage in their craft.

I agree with you, that's another huge mistake of the ACA. Forcing people who already had health insurance they liked, onto health exchanges, is terrible. and a huge waste.
The number of people "only" receiving emergency room care is a big number, somewhere between 10 and 20 million, depending on what estimate you believe. Just getting them onto regular insurance, even if it is subsidized, should have been a big savings for everyone.

[Jack Galt]

A little over the top about a self-populated NSA database. And it isn't as much a transfer of wealth as it's made out to be. In reality the seniors "that have" are being subsidized by the millennial "that haven't", so it's really a shifting of payment responsibility more than a transfer of wealth.

By forcing people to pay way too much for insurance premiums that they are less likely to need or use so that others who are more likely to use the insurance don't have to pay the premiums that would be required for their use is more than a mere shifting of payment responsibility. When the subsidies are factored in, there is definitely a transfer of wealth.

Essentially, this is making people pay for a MB S-Class AMG while driving a Nissan Versa so somebody else who can only afford a Ford Focus can drive a BMW 5-series.

*Note: Not going to argue about the NSA database. They already have that info unless you are so far off the grid the sun has trouble finding you.

And how is that different than social security, medicaid, general taxes, etc.

I don't agree with Obamacare at all, but the "transfer of wealth" is just a far right talking point that is not based in reality or facts.

And as for the NSA, don't be afraid of your shadow. They have much. much, much less info., if any, of the average Americans. Trust me, this is the community I spent the last 20 years working in. I know.

I didn't say it was any different from those programs. SSI is a pyramid scheme. Essentially the PPACA sets up the same thing as what you called a "shifting of payment responsibility". And Medicare and Medicaid already exist to provide health insurance (not health care) to those who cannot afford it.

However, when you charge people taxes on products they can afford to pay for a second group of people to have similar (if not better) products to what the first have, when the second group cannot afford those products, then you are transferring wealth. Include the fact that even if you don't purchase the product you have to pay a fine (oh, wait, I meant tax), and your "tax" is being transferred to pay for things for other people to use without you getting the benefit of using the product yourself. Nothing "far right talking point" about that.

Unfortunately, general taxes are being used to cover far more stuff than what was originally intended. Politicians have been trampling the Constitution for a long time.

And I'm not afraid of my shadow. The NSA has the data. It's the IRS that worries me.

[133743Hokie]

A little over the top about a self-populated NSA database. And it isn't as much a transfer of wealth as it's made out to be. In reality the seniors "that have" are being subsidized by the millennial "that haven't", so it's really a shifting of payment responsibility more than a transfer of wealth.

By forcing people to pay way too much for insurance premiums that they are less likely to need or use so that others who are more likely to use the insurance don't have to pay the premiums that would be required for their use is more than a mere shifting of payment responsibility. When the subsidies are factored in, there is definitely a transfer of wealth.

Essentially, this is making people pay for a MB S-Class AMG while driving a Nissan Versa so somebody else who can only afford a Ford Focus can drive a BMW 5-series.

*Note: Not going to argue about the NSA database. They already have that info unless you are so far off the grid the sun has trouble finding you.

And how is that different than social security, medicaid, general taxes, etc.

I don't agree with Obamacare at all, but the "transfer of wealth" is just a far right talking point that is not based in reality or facts.

And as for the NSA, don't be afraid of your shadow. They have much. much, much less info., if any, of the average Americans. Trust me, this is the community I spent the last 20 years working in. I know.

One of my biggest issues with ACA is that it does not do much, if anything to reduce costs. In the pre-ACA environment, everyone was still receiving healthcare. People who didn't have health insurance were still getting it, and not paying for it, and the average American was paying for it with their taxes. Under the ACA, just getting more people to use actual health insurance, albeit much of it subsidized, should be a cost reduction, and a reduction of taxes. But, it's not, because the ACA is just a poorly written and executed plan. But, to say that we are now paying for people's health care, and that we weren't before, is fiction.

Actually the average American with health insurance (the majority of the population) was subsidizing those without thru their premiums. Only the Medicaid portion of the population was subsidized with taxes. The uninsured using the ER, etc. was being covered by the insurance carriers thru the hospitals by you and me.

[OrangeHokieFan]

You guys want to hear my story? Ok so all summer my dad was sick. Finally is August we convinced him to go to the doctor (he hadn't been in 29 years). Once I drive him there they run blood work and his blood sugar is almost 400. So they check his limbs. Apparently he had neuropathy and had a sore on his right foot for months but didn't feel it. They had to take him to a hospital (an hour away because the hospital in Marion that was just built is a joke) and amputate below the knee. Thankfully we had insurance at the time and just had to pay a fixed amount. Things were getting better until he got a blood clot and had a heart attack causing him to fall one day and my brother having to rush him to the hospital for another surgery. This time it seems like they got things right because before his quad muscle wasn't right. My dad also runs his own business which I ran until he got his prosthetic. Well now that he's been diagnosed with all and we just paid extra money on another surgery, we got a cancelation notice about our insurance and saying our insurance didn't meet standards and we needed new insurance. Now we are searching for insurance that is extremely overpriced during one of the lower financial points in our lives. Had Obamacare now happened we would be just fine. But we got hit at a hard time and it looks like we are going to have to pay double on our family's already expensive insurance. It's kind of a slap in the face honestly. On top of that when he applied for disability he got declined and told "hire a lawyer when you reapply"
What really pisses me off is that my dad employs no one but we have to get an insurance option for possible employees which costs more. He hasn't hired anyone in 25 years he's not going to now. Not only that but the insurance has to cover mental and birth control, like anyone in my family needs that. If this isn't a money grab to pay for the worthless and take care of Barry O's insurance buddies then I don't know what Obamacare is.

[nc87]

[quote="Jack Galt"] When the subsidies are factored in, there is definitely a transfer of wealth.
/quote]


Good. America is failing because of extreme income inequality (we're closer to Pakistan than most modern countries). Maybe this will help solve the issue

[Major Kong]

You guys want to hear my story? Ok so all summer my dad was sick. Finally is August we convinced him to go to the doctor (he hadn't been in 29 years). Once I drive him there they run blood work and his blood sugar is almost 400. So they check his limbs. Apparently he had neuropathy and had a sore on his right foot for months but didn't feel it. They had to take him to a hospital (an hour away because the hospital in Marion that was just built is a joke) and amputate below the knee. Thankfully we had insurance at the time and just had to pay a fixed amount. Things were getting better until he got a blood clot and had a heart attack causing him to fall one day and my brother having to rush him to the hospital for another surgery. This time it seems like they got things right because before his quad muscle wasn't right. My dad also runs his own business which I ran until he got his prosthetic. Well now that he's been diagnosed with all and we just paid extra money on another surgery, we got a cancelation notice about our insurance and saying our insurance didn't meet standards and we needed new insurance. Now we are searching for insurance that is extremely overpriced during one of the lower financial points in our lives. Had Obamacare now happened we would be just fine. But we got hit at a hard time and it looks like we are going to have to pay double on our family's already expensive insurance. It's kind of a slap in the face honestly. On top of that when he applied for disability he got declined and told "hire a lawyer when you reapply"
What really pisses me off is that my dad employs no one but we have to get an insurance option for possible employees which costs more. He hasn't hired anyone in 25 years he's not going to now. Not only that but the insurance has to cover mental and birth control, like anyone in my family needs that. If this isn't a money grab to pay for the worthless and take care of Barry O's insurance buddies then I don't know what Obamacare is.

As a long time diabetic and a denizen of Marion the only thing I have done at Smyth County Community Hospital is blood work and yeah I did have 2 out patient hand surgeries there this summer (Dr. Jean Marine a good bone doctor if I say so myself and I've been to many spread throughout the country).

SMCH was built as a triage clinic to funnel folks to the MSHA facilities at Abingdon and Johnson City.

I'm sorry you're dad had to go through that. If he needs a good diabetic doctor then Dr. Rhinehart at the new Johnston Memorial Hospital is great...he's not an endocrinologist but he is over the Diabetic and Wound Care clinic for MSHA in Virginia. He's a great doctor who I've been seeing for 6 years now (since returning from Alaska).

As to the insurance I'm retired and was paying for what would be considered a Mercedes Plan through Aetna...then I too got the letter saying my insurance didn't meet the minimum requirements set forth in the ACA (maternity care, child care and so on) so I'm forced on a new plan that is 40% more, but a larger out of pocket and I've lost my specialist down at Johnson City and will probably have to trek to Bowman Gray in Winston Salem.

My accountant was a semi joking that I might be better off to apply for disability and get on Medicare..."suspend" my retirement annuity until after I'm 65. I will not do it but it is tempting.

[nolanvt]

When the subsidies are factored in, there is definitely a transfer of wealth.
/quote]


Good. America is failing because of extreme income inequality (we're closer to Pakistan than most modern countries). Maybe this will help solve the issue

I would hardly say that America is failing.

[nc87]

When the subsidies are factored in, there is definitely a transfer of wealth.
/quote]


Good. America is failing because of extreme income inequality (we're closer to Pakistan than most modern countries). Maybe this will help solve the issue

I would hardly say that America is failing.

Maybe I should've said falling, not failing. Falling from being the greatest country in the world... to... not so sure anymore, but pretty sure if we still are, it won't be for long. America is on the "wrong track", has been for about 12-13 years, and is not showing any signs of turning around.

[nolanvt]

When the subsidies are factored in, there is definitely a transfer of wealth.
/quote]


Good. America is failing because of extreme income inequality (we're closer to Pakistan than most modern countries). Maybe this will help solve the issue

I would hardly say that America is failing.

Maybe I should've said falling, not failing. Falling from being the greatest country in the world... to... not so sure anymore, but pretty sure if we still are, it won't be for long. America is on the "wrong track", has been for about 12-13 years, and is not showing any signs of turning around.

How so?

[cwtcr hokie]

Huh, dude, your boy has been in charge of the economy during this crappy time...thanks

When the subsidies are factored in, there is definitely a transfer of wealth.
/quote]


Good. America is failing because of extreme income inequality (we're closer to Pakistan than most modern countries). Maybe this will help solve the issue

I would hardly say that America is failing.

Maybe I should've said falling, not failing. Falling from being the greatest country in the world... to... not so sure anymore, but pretty sure if we still are, it won't be for long. America is on the "wrong track", has been for about 12-13 years, and is not showing any signs of turning around.

[nc87]

Huh, dude, your boy has been in charge of the economy during this crappy time...thanks

The person I voted for for President is in office, yes. In charge of the economy? Hardly. The tea party has him and the entire country (moderate GOPers included) by the balls

[OrangeHokieFan]

Barry Obama's bad politics has the economy by the balls. He has done absolutely nothing that has helped the economy including the worst thing possible, lying and getting the Affordable Care Act passed that will strangle everyone but the welfare and food stamp queens disposable income.

Huh, dude, your boy has been in charge of the economy during this crappy time...thanks

The person I voted for for President is in office, yes. In charge of the economy? Hardly. The tea party has him and the entire country (moderate GOPers included) by the balls