ip_law-hokie wrote:
When are we getting the beautiful plan? Does Trump need to go down to Capitol Hill himself and get this done?
Checking in here. I thought Ryancare was Ryancare, but now Trump is pressuring Republicans to vote for Ryancare? Isn't Ryancare now Trumpcare? And isn't Trumpcare beautiful?
Looking forward to the health care savings. Things are going to be great.
You can keep your plan, you can keep your doctor, you will get $2,500/ year in savings........ your great leader
I voted for Gary Johnson, but you are stuck in the past. This is Trump's administration with a GOP controlled congress. It's Trumpcare now. Obamacare is irrelevant once trump gets trumpcare passed. You can't blame Obama anymore. Trump owns this. No excuses.
It's such a cluster that it is hard to unwind. To really repeal and replace, as should be done, would likely cause some short term pain to a few million freeloaders that got in on Obamacare. For a long term, correct solution this shouldn't matter but with the liberal media and the alt-left rebellion it would be a shitstorm.
I'm confused. You have majorities in both houses of congress and a GOP president. What else do you guys need?
Internal agreement. Unlike the democrats who put party above all else, the republicans have differing views on what this should be. They put substance over party.
I actually think this is a good thing. It forces them all to think thru what should and shouldn't be in the bill instead of just giving a knee jerk "yes" like the democrats did. The current bill is a mess, and certain parts of it have been around long enough that they have become important for a small segment of the population. How to work around them, or reasonably eliminate them, will take some tact.
ip_law-hokie wrote:
Checking in here. I thought Ryancare was Ryancare, but now Trump is pressuring Republicans to vote for Ryancare? Isn't Ryancare now Trumpcare? And isn't Trumpcare beautiful?
Looking forward to the health care savings. Things are going to be great.
You can keep your plan, you can keep your doctor, you will get $2,500/ year in savings........ your great leader
I voted for Gary Johnson, but you are stuck in the past. This is Trump's administration with a GOP controlled congress. It's Trumpcare now. Obamacare is irrelevant once trump gets trumpcare passed. You can't blame Obama anymore. Trump owns this. No excuses.
It's such a cluster that it is hard to unwind. To really repeal and replace, as should be done, would likely cause some short term pain to a few million freeloaders that got in on Obamacare. For a long term, correct solution this shouldn't matter but with the liberal media and the alt-left rebellion it would be a shitstorm.
I'm confused. You have majorities in both houses of congress and a GOP president. What else do you guys need?
Internal agreement. Unlike the democrats who put party above all else, the republicans have differing views on what this should be. They put substance over party.
I actually think this is a good thing. It forces them all to think thru what should and shouldn't be in the bill instead of just giving a knee jerk "yes" like the democrats did. The current bill is a mess, and certain parts of it have been around long enough that they have become important for a small segment of the population. How to work around them, or reasonably eliminate them, will take some tact.
Got it. When should we expect Trumpcare savings?
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HokieHam wrote:It's funny to watch the lefty's on here acting like 0fuknutzcare actuallly did anything but totally fail......like the majority of their policies.
Now, the Pubs plan is almost just as dumb. I hope Rand Paul and others shoot it down. It just goes to show the leadership and majority of Pubs are just Dumbs lite.......
When are we getting the beautiful plan? Does Trump need to go down to Capitol Hill himself and get this done?
Checking in here. I thought Ryancare was Ryancare, but now Trump is pressuring Republicans to vote for Ryancare? Isn't Ryancare now Trumpcare? And isn't Trumpcare beautiful?
Looking forward to the health care savings. Things are going to be great.
I think you mean Rinocare. I don't care whose idea it is. Bad is bad.
"I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Thomas Jefferson
nolanvt wrote:Are we pretending this bill is anything other than Diet Obamacare?
No
"I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Thomas Jefferson
nolanvt wrote:Are we pretending this bill is anything other than Diet Obamacare?
Like I said earlier, the democrats and supreme court were able to fight off those that wanted to undo Obamacare for years, thus making it part of our fabric, warts and all. This was the idea all along. Step one as it were, getting addicted to government sponsored health insurance, on the way to a single payer national health insurance program. As such it is even harder now to undo it than it was two years ago. In fact it can't be completely undone. We can't go back to five years ago unfortunately. The democrats have seen to that.
IMO the republicans should completely repeal it and let the country go back to where it was five years ago. Then, after that respite they should take up developing a workable plan.
nolanvt wrote:Are we pretending this bill is anything other than Diet Obamacare?
Like I said earlier, the democrats and supreme court were able to fight off those that wanted to undo Obamacare for years, thus making it part of our fabric, warts and all. This was the idea all along. Step one as it were, getting addicted to government sponsored health insurance, on the way to a single payer national health insurance program. As such it is even harder now to undo it than it was two years ago. In fact it can't be completely undone. We can't go back to five years ago unfortunately. The democrats have seen to that.
IMO the republicans should completely repeal it and let the country go back to where it was five years ago. Then, after that respite they should take up developing a workable plan.
Agreed. I tend to side with Rand Paul on this. Vote to repeal, but also implement market-oriented solutions. I don't support this bill.
hecking in here. I thought Ryancare was Ryancare, but now Trump is pressuring Republicans to vote for Ryancare? Isn't Ryancare now Trumpcare? And isn't Trumpcare beautiful?
Looking forward to the health care savings. Things are going to be great.[/quote]
You can keep your plan, you can keep your doctor, you will get $2,500/ year in savings........ your great leader[/quote]
I voted for Gary Johnson, but you are stuck in the past. This is Trump's administration with a GOP controlled congress. It's Trumpcare now. Obamacare is irrelevant once trump gets trumpcare passed. You can't blame Obama anymore. Trump owns this. No excuses.[/quote]
It's such a cluster that it is hard to unwind. To really repeal and replace, as should be done, would likely cause some short term pain to a few million freeloaders that got in on Obamacare. For a long term, correct solution this shouldn't matter but with the liberal media and the alt-left rebellion it would be a shitstorm.[/quote]
I'm confused. You have majorities in both houses of congress and a GOP president. What else do you guys need?[/quote]
Internal agreement. Unlike the democrats who put party above all else, the republicans have differing views on what this should be. They put substance over party.
I actually think this is a good thing. It forces them all to think thru what should and shouldn't be in the bill instead of just giving a knee jerk "yes" like the democrats did. The current bill is a mess, and certain parts of it have been around long enough that they have become important for a small segment of the population. How to work around them, or reasonably eliminate them, will take some tact.[/quote]
Got it. When should we expect Trumpcare savings?
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we are all still waiting for the obamacare savings, have ya noticed the premium increases?
nolanvt wrote:Are we pretending this bill is anything other than Diet Obamacare?
Like I said earlier, the democrats and supreme court were able to fight off those that wanted to undo Obamacare for years, thus making it part of our fabric, warts and all. This was the idea all along. Step one as it were, getting addicted to government sponsored health insurance, on the way to a single payer national health insurance program. As such it is even harder now to undo it than it was two years ago. In fact it can't be completely undone. We can't go back to five years ago unfortunately. The democrats have seen to that.
IMO the republicans should completely repeal it and let the country go back to where it was five years ago. Then, after that respite they should take up developing a workable plan.
Yup. This is essentially what Rand Paul wants to do.
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nolanvt wrote:Are we pretending this bill is anything other than Diet Obamacare?
Like I said earlier, the democrats and supreme court were able to fight off those that wanted to undo Obamacare for years, thus making it part of our fabric, warts and all. This was the idea all along. Step one as it were, getting addicted to government sponsored health insurance, on the way to a single payer national health insurance program. As such it is even harder now to undo it than it was two years ago. In fact it can't be completely undone. We can't go back to five years ago unfortunately. The democrats have seen to that.
IMO the republicans should completely repeal it and let the country go back to where it was five years ago. Then, after that respite they should take up developing a workable plan.
Yup. This is essentially what Rand Paul wants to do.
sounds good to me. all roads lead to single payer in any event.
With their Cap’n and Chief Intelligence Officer having deserted them, River, Ham and Joe valiantly continue their whataboutismistic last stand of the DJT apology tour.
nolanvt wrote:Are we pretending this bill is anything other than Diet Obamacare?
Like I said earlier, the democrats and supreme court were able to fight off those that wanted to undo Obamacare for years, thus making it part of our fabric, warts and all. This was the idea all along. Step one as it were, getting addicted to government sponsored health insurance, on the way to a single payer national health insurance program. As such it is even harder now to undo it than it was two years ago. In fact it can't be completely undone. We can't go back to five years ago unfortunately. The democrats have seen to that.
IMO the republicans should completely repeal it and let the country go back to where it was five years ago. Then, after that respite they should take up developing a workable plan.
Yup. This is essentially what Rand Paul wants to do.
sounds good to me. all roads lead to single payer in any event.
With their Cap’n and Chief Intelligence Officer having deserted them, River, Ham and Joe valiantly continue their whataboutismistic last stand of the DJT apology tour.
nolanvt wrote:Are we pretending this bill is anything other than Diet Obamacare?
Like I said earlier, the democrats and supreme court were able to fight off those that wanted to undo Obamacare for years, thus making it part of our fabric, warts and all. This was the idea all along. Step one as it were, getting addicted to government sponsored health insurance, on the way to a single payer national health insurance program. As such it is even harder now to undo it than it was two years ago. In fact it can't be completely undone. We can't go back to five years ago unfortunately. The democrats have seen to that.
IMO the republicans should completely repeal it and let the country go back to where it was five years ago. Then, after that respite they should take up developing a workable plan.
Yup. This is essentially what Rand Paul wants to do.
sounds good to me. all roads lead to single payer in any event.
so you want really bad health care, your ideas are awesome. Lets keep a set of regulations that has been a complete failure to accomplish even one piece of what it was supposed to accomplish and lets go the national health care route, might want to talk to some UK folks or Canadian for that matter. I wonder why the Canadians come here for needed healthcare??
nolanvt wrote:Are we pretending this bill is anything other than Diet Obamacare?
Like I said earlier, the democrats and supreme court were able to fight off those that wanted to undo Obamacare for years, thus making it part of our fabric, warts and all. This was the idea all along. Step one as it were, getting addicted to government sponsored health insurance, on the way to a single payer national health insurance program. As such it is even harder now to undo it than it was two years ago. In fact it can't be completely undone. We can't go back to five years ago unfortunately. The democrats have seen to that.
IMO the republicans should completely repeal it and let the country go back to where it was five years ago. Then, after that respite they should take up developing a workable plan.
Yup. This is essentially what Rand Paul wants to do.
sounds good to me. all roads lead to single payer in any event.
Nope
"I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Thomas Jefferson
nolanvt wrote:Are we pretending this bill is anything other than Diet Obamacare?
Like I said earlier, the democrats and supreme court were able to fight off those that wanted to undo Obamacare for years, thus making it part of our fabric, warts and all. This was the idea all along. Step one as it were, getting addicted to government sponsored health insurance, on the way to a single payer national health insurance program. As such it is even harder now to undo it than it was two years ago. In fact it can't be completely undone. We can't go back to five years ago unfortunately. The democrats have seen to that.
IMO the republicans should completely repeal it and let the country go back to where it was five years ago. Then, after that respite they should take up developing a workable plan.
Yup. This is essentially what Rand Paul wants to do.
sounds good to me. all roads lead to single payer in any event.
so you want really bad health care, your ideas are awesome. Lets keep a set of regulations that has been a complete failure to accomplish even one piece of what it was supposed to accomplish and lets go the national health care route, might want to talk to some UK folks or Canadian for that matter. I wonder why the Canadians come here for needed healthcare??
You have at least 4 years to try it your way. Get busy.
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nolanvt wrote:The vote's going to be postponed because they don't have the votes to pass it. Small victory, I suppose.
We need to get Trump more involved with this.
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Well, I'm still waiting for my $2500 from Obamacare. I guess I'll get the BCA ticket refund first.
What's the old joke...Obama promised a $2500 premium reduction with Obamacare. He's only $6500 away from hitting his goal.
ip_law-hokie wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:Are we pretending this bill is anything other than Diet Obamacare?
Like I said earlier, the democrats and supreme court were able to fight off those that wanted to undo Obamacare for years, thus making it part of our fabric, warts and all. This was the idea all along. Step one as it were, getting addicted to government sponsored health insurance, on the way to a single payer national health insurance program. As such it is even harder now to undo it than it was two years ago. In fact it can't be completely undone. We can't go back to five years ago unfortunately. The democrats have seen to that.
IMO the republicans should completely repeal it and let the country go back to where it was five years ago. Then, after that respite they should take up developing a workable plan.
Yup. This is essentially what Rand Paul wants to do.
sounds good to me. all roads lead to single payer in any event.
so you want really bad health care, your ideas are awesome. Lets keep a set of regulations that has been a complete failure to accomplish even one piece of what it was supposed to accomplish and lets go the national health care route, might want to talk to some UK folks or Canadian for that matter. I wonder why the Canadians come here for needed healthcare??
You have at least 4 years to try it your way. Get busy.
nolanvt wrote:The vote's going to be postponed because they don't have the votes to pass it. Small victory, I suppose.
Well, the Pubs could take the Sociali........I mean Democrat way and just force it down everyone's throats without knowing what is in it.
Well, at least they aren't doing that and are actually debating what to do.
In fairness, the dems did debate it (amongst themselves). Of course, dem leadership and Odumbo lied to cajole votes from vulnerable dems who didn't like some provisions.
"I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Thomas Jefferson
With their Cap’n and Chief Intelligence Officer having deserted them, River, Ham and Joe valiantly continue their whataboutismistic last stand of the DJT apology tour.