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Yeh, no. The Trump ppl have said that Page was never in Trump Tower. And how is a nobody, who had nothing to do with the campaign, getting into Trump Tower, after he's been dismissed as an advisor. What you're claiming, would mean that the Trump folks lied about Page's role, and access.

He lives and/or has an office in Trump Tower. You do realize that Trump leases out space in Trump Tower and it's not all his house, right? He also says he spent many hours at the campaign headquarters, which was in Trump Tower. This where the DNCNN is claiming Obama had incidental espionage on Trump, as they spied on a person in Trump Tower and picked up Trump electronic communications "accidentally". All from the fake dossier paid for by Clinton.
He has never lived or had an office in Trump Tower. His one man company, Global Energy Capital, has an office on the 21st floor of the building behind Trump Tower, on Madison Ave. He rented space in a Regus business center. You're wrong again.
And the Trump campaign has said that Carter Page has never been in the Trump Tower. You're now calling them liars. Which is it?
Whatever, that's close enough to intercept. And he says he was at Trump Tower so he's still a geographically convenient target.
LOL @interecept.

So last time, just to be clear. The Trump team said Carter Page has never been in Trump Tower. You're taking the stance that the Trump team lied about that. Yes or no?
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HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
Yeh, no. The Trump ppl have said that Page was never in Trump Tower. And how is a nobody, who had nothing to do with the campaign, getting into Trump Tower, after he's been dismissed as an advisor. What you're claiming, would mean that the Trump folks lied about Page's role, and access.

He lives and/or has an office in Trump Tower. You do realize that Trump leases out space in Trump Tower and it's not all his house, right? He also says he spent many hours at the campaign headquarters, which was in Trump Tower. This where the DNCNN is claiming Obama had incidental espionage on Trump, as they spied on a person in Trump Tower and picked up Trump electronic communications "accidentally". All from the fake dossier paid for by Clinton.
He has never lived or had an office in Trump Tower. His one man company, Global Energy Capital, has an office on the 21st floor of the building behind Trump Tower, on Madison Ave. He rented space in a Regus business center. You're wrong again.
And the Trump campaign has said that Carter Page has never been in the Trump Tower. You're now calling them liars. Which is it?
Whatever, that's close enough to intercept. And he says he was at Trump Tower so he's still a geographically convenient target.
LOL @interecept.

So last time, just to be clear. The Trump team said Carter Page has never been in Trump Tower. You're taking the stance that the Trump team lied about that. Yes or no?
Don't know. He says he had been there. And LOL at intercept all you want, you're just showing your ignorance as that's how it happens now. It's at least a big part of it with wireless network mining and intercepting cell phone conversations. There's still the old gator clips on the telephone pole as you're thinking of it.

LOL @Spied on Carter and not Trump! This might be your swansong.
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awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
Yeh, no. The Trump ppl have said that Page was never in Trump Tower. And how is a nobody, who had nothing to do with the campaign, getting into Trump Tower, after he's been dismissed as an advisor. What you're claiming, would mean that the Trump folks lied about Page's role, and access.

He lives and/or has an office in Trump Tower. You do realize that Trump leases out space in Trump Tower and it's not all his house, right? He also says he spent many hours at the campaign headquarters, which was in Trump Tower. This where the DNCNN is claiming Obama had incidental espionage on Trump, as they spied on a person in Trump Tower and picked up Trump electronic communications "accidentally". All from the fake dossier paid for by Clinton.
He has never lived or had an office in Trump Tower. His one man company, Global Energy Capital, has an office on the 21st floor of the building behind Trump Tower, on Madison Ave. He rented space in a Regus business center. You're wrong again.
And the Trump campaign has said that Carter Page has never been in the Trump Tower. You're now calling them liars. Which is it?
Whatever, that's close enough to intercept. And he says he was at Trump Tower so he's still a geographically convenient target.
LOL @interecept.

So last time, just to be clear. The Trump team said Carter Page has never been in Trump Tower. You're taking the stance that the Trump team lied about that. Yes or no?
Don't know. He says he had been there. And LOL at intercept all you want, you're just showing your ignorance as that's how it happens now. It's at least a big part of it with wireless network mining and intercepting cell phone conversations. There's still the old gator clips on the telephone pole as you're thinking of it.

LOL @Spied on Carter and not Trump! This might be your swansong.
You don't know? Either Carter or the Trump team is lying. Choose one.

As for intercept, the LOL is that now you're saying that in addition to the FISA warrant process and FISA judge being crooked, that the field agents are taking a warrant for Page and using it to spy on the GOP POTUS candidate instead.

And of course, all of this is happening after Page was kicked off the campaign.

Got it.
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HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
He lives and/or has an office in Trump Tower. You do realize that Trump leases out space in Trump Tower and it's not all his house, right? He also says he spent many hours at the campaign headquarters, which was in Trump Tower. This where the DNCNN is claiming Obama had incidental espionage on Trump, as they spied on a person in Trump Tower and picked up Trump electronic communications "accidentally". All from the fake dossier paid for by Clinton.
He has never lived or had an office in Trump Tower. His one man company, Global Energy Capital, has an office on the 21st floor of the building behind Trump Tower, on Madison Ave. He rented space in a Regus business center. You're wrong again.
And the Trump campaign has said that Carter Page has never been in the Trump Tower. You're now calling them liars. Which is it?
Whatever, that's close enough to intercept. And he says he was at Trump Tower so he's still a geographically convenient target.
LOL @interecept.

So last time, just to be clear. The Trump team said Carter Page has never been in Trump Tower. You're taking the stance that the Trump team lied about that. Yes or no?
Don't know. He says he had been there. And LOL at intercept all you want, you're just showing your ignorance as that's how it happens now. It's at least a big part of it with wireless network mining and intercepting cell phone conversations. There's still the old gator clips on the telephone pole as you're thinking of it.

LOL @Spied on Carter and not Trump! This might be your swansong.
You don't know? Either Carter or the Trump team is lying. Choose one.

As for intercept, the LOL is that now you're saying that in addition to the FISA warrant process and FISA judge being crooked, that the field agents are taking a warrant for Page and using it to spy on the GOP POTUS candidate instead.

And of course, all of this is happening after Page was kicked off the campaign.

Got it.
You're describing a crime and abuse of power by Obama officials.
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awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
He has never lived or had an office in Trump Tower. His one man company, Global Energy Capital, has an office on the 21st floor of the building behind Trump Tower, on Madison Ave. He rented space in a Regus business center. You're wrong again.
And the Trump campaign has said that Carter Page has never been in the Trump Tower. You're now calling them liars. Which is it?
Whatever, that's close enough to intercept. And he says he was at Trump Tower so he's still a geographically convenient target.
LOL @interecept.

So last time, just to be clear. The Trump team said Carter Page has never been in Trump Tower. You're taking the stance that the Trump team lied about that. Yes or no?
Don't know. He says he had been there. And LOL at intercept all you want, you're just showing your ignorance as that's how it happens now. It's at least a big part of it with wireless network mining and intercepting cell phone conversations. There's still the old gator clips on the telephone pole as you're thinking of it.

LOL @Spied on Carter and not Trump! This might be your swansong.
You don't know? Either Carter or the Trump team is lying. Choose one.

As for intercept, the LOL is that now you're saying that in addition to the FISA warrant process and FISA judge being crooked, that the field agents are taking a warrant for Page and using it to spy on the GOP POTUS candidate instead.

And of course, all of this is happening after Page was kicked off the campaign.

Got it.
You're describing a crime and abuse of power by Obama officials.
I'm describing you not answering a simple question about which side is lying about Carter Page's Trump Tower visits.
One of them has to be lying.
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HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:Whatever, that's close enough to intercept. And he says he was at Trump Tower so he's still a geographically convenient target.
LOL @interecept.

So last time, just to be clear. The Trump team said Carter Page has never been in Trump Tower. You're taking the stance that the Trump team lied about that. Yes or no?
Don't know. He says he had been there. And LOL at intercept all you want, you're just showing your ignorance as that's how it happens now. It's at least a big part of it with wireless network mining and intercepting cell phone conversations. There's still the old gator clips on the telephone pole as you're thinking of it.

LOL @Spied on Carter and not Trump! This might be your swansong.
You don't know? Either Carter or the Trump team is lying. Choose one.

As for intercept, the LOL is that now you're saying that in addition to the FISA warrant process and FISA judge being crooked, that the field agents are taking a warrant for Page and using it to spy on the GOP POTUS candidate instead.

And of course, all of this is happening after Page was kicked off the campaign.

Got it.
You're describing a crime and abuse of power by Obama officials.
I'm describing you not answering a simple question about which side is lying about Carter Page's Trump Tower visits.
One of them has to be lying.
Nope, try again. Your point is irrelevant as being within a block is close enough to intercept. Your second paragraph is outlying an abuse of power.
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awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
Don't know. He says he had been there. And LOL at intercept all you want, you're just showing your ignorance as that's how it happens now. It's at least a big part of it with wireless network mining and intercepting cell phone conversations. There's still the old gator clips on the telephone pole as you're thinking of it.

LOL @Spied on Carter and not Trump! This might be your swansong.
You don't know? Either Carter or the Trump team is lying. Choose one.

As for intercept, the LOL is that now you're saying that in addition to the FISA warrant process and FISA judge being crooked, that the field agents are taking a warrant for Page and using it to spy on the GOP POTUS candidate instead.

And of course, all of this is happening after Page was kicked off the campaign.

Got it.
You're describing a crime and abuse of power by Obama officials.
I'm describing you not answering a simple question about which side is lying about Carter Page's Trump Tower visits.
One of them has to be lying.
Nope, try again. Your point is irrelevant as being within a block is close enough to intercept. Your second paragraph is outlying an abuse of power.

Yeh, I'm not buying your theory that they got a warrant for Page, and then instead of surveilling him, they were listening in on Trump instead.
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HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
Don't know. He says he had been there. And LOL at intercept all you want, you're just showing your ignorance as that's how it happens now. It's at least a big part of it with wireless network mining and intercepting cell phone conversations. There's still the old gator clips on the telephone pole as you're thinking of it.

LOL @Spied on Carter and not Trump! This might be your swansong.
You don't know? Either Carter or the Trump team is lying. Choose one.

As for intercept, the LOL is that now you're saying that in addition to the FISA warrant process and FISA judge being crooked, that the field agents are taking a warrant for Page and using it to spy on the GOP POTUS candidate instead.

And of course, all of this is happening after Page was kicked off the campaign.

Got it.
You're describing a crime and abuse of power by Obama officials.
I'm describing you not answering a simple question about which side is lying about Carter Page's Trump Tower visits.
One of them has to be lying.
Nope, try again. Your point is irrelevant as being within a block is close enough to intercept. Your second paragraph is outlying an abuse of power.

Yeh, I'm not buying your theory that they got a warrant for Page, and then instead of surveilling him, they were listening in on Trump instead.
That's already a fact, as you explained. We know Rice unmasked Trump and disseminated the info from this fraudulent warrant.
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I don't know if this is legit, but if it is, this explains a lot......
In the HPSCI outline it specifically notes the targeting of U.S. individual Carter Page was NOT a FISA Title VII search request. Title VII is FISA(702), the incidental collection of U.S. person information as it relates to National Security or Counterintelligence operations targeting foreign individuals.



The FISA ‘warrant’ request, against Carter Page, was made October 21st, 2016, under Title I of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Meaning the surveillance application was specifically stating, to the court, the U.S. individual was likely an actual agent of a foreign government, ie. “a spy.”

...........

The FBI were not targeting Page incidentally as an outcome of foreign intelligence collection; the FBI was targeting Carter Page directly. AND as such they carried full surveillance authority upon all of this activities, interactions, communications and contacts therein.

Because of this direct approach, any group, organization or entity who came in contact with U.S. Person Carter Page was then open for ancillary review and FBI investigation. Those who engaged in contact with Carter Page became subject to surveillance and searches in the same manner as if Page was an actual foreign agent.



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USN_Hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote: Ouch, what?

You think the memo shows that Trump tower was wiretapped???
Uhhhhhh, yeah. You think it doesn't? It shows how they got the FISA warrant to do so. This has to be a bit or it's the ultimate golden shovel move.
Here are some facts.

Page has said that he has never met, or spoken, to Trump.
The Trump folks say that Page has never been to Trump Tower to meet with anyone.
The Trump campaign people said that Page had nothing to do with the Trump campaign.
Page was dismissed as an adviser in September 2016.
The FISA warrant was issued in October 2016, after Page was dismissed.

So, how does that equate to Trump being wiretapped????
Help me out Ace, what happens after a wiretapping warrant is granted? Do you think, maybe, perhaps, wiretapping?
Sure, Ace, you got that part right. But, Ace, how is Trump going to get wiretapped under a FISA warrant for Carter Page (who has never met or spoken to Trump) in October 2016?
Surely you're not suggesting that the motives for the FISA warrant were genuine, correct? You're aware that this is a common tactic of law enforcement to obtain surveillance information on other folks, right?

You think the FBI and DNC paid for the made up piss gate dossier, then went through all those hurdles to spy on a nobody?
We live in scary times if the intelligence community can get away with this. And what’s even more disturbing is the congress passed that new FISA bill.
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Any bets on what the IG report says? Are the idiots Pooflinger and H2 still holding that everything was legitimate to spy on Drumpf?

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awesome guy wrote:Any bets on what the IG report says? Are the idiots Pooflinger and H2 still holding that everything was legitimate to spy on Drumpf?

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I have zero expectations that the IG report will have anything in it. Horowitz is only able to interview people that still work in the DOJ. He has zero subpoena power so he can't really dig up any real dirt. Plus, he's a Democrat and a swamp man, so there's no reason to believe he's interested in finding any real wrong-doing. I am far more interested in Durham's investigation.
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UpstateSCHokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:Any bets on what the IG report says? Are the idiots Pooflinger and H2 still holding that everything was legitimate to spy on Drumpf?

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I have zero expectations that the IG report will have anything in it. Horowitz is only able to interview people that still work in the DOJ. He has zero subpoena power so he can't really dig up any real dirt. Plus, he's a Democrat and a swamp man, so there's no reason to believe he's interested in finding any real wrong-doing. I am far more interested in Durham's investigation.
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RiverguyVT wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:Any bets on what the IG report says? Are the idiots Pooflinger and H2 still holding that everything was legitimate to spy on Drumpf?

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I have zero expectations that the IG report will have anything in it. Horowitz is only able to interview people that still work in the DOJ. He has zero subpoena power so he can't really dig up any real dirt. Plus, he's a Democrat and a swamp man, so there's no reason to believe he's interested in finding any real wrong-doing. I am far more interested in Durham's investigation.
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I just read the Snowden book. The NSA system XKeyscore would have allowed them to read all of Trumps emails and listen to all his phone calls very easily.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore

There is zero concept anymore of needing to get in a building to install a wiretap. All the internet and phone traffic is captured.


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