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He won't say it, but he really thinks he can discriminate against views he doesn't like while protecting ones he likes. It's as simple as that, an authoritarian making up rules to fit his wants in the current situation. Thankfully our laws strive to be more thoughtful and even handed than he has the ability to be.[/quote]
This is it exactly. He wants discrimination to be viewed through his lens, no one else's. It's the goal of the liberal left. They think they always know what's best for others.
This is it exactly. He wants discrimination to be viewed through his lens, no one else's. It's the goal of the liberal left. They think they always know what's best for others.
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You'd never be allowed in a gym if that were true.nolanvt wrote:Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.RiverguyVT wrote:Read up on "rights". It would serve you well.nolanvt wrote:Not shirty at all, unless you think a gay couple wanting a wedding cake is on par with a Neo-Nazi.USN_Hokie wrote:I think everyone gets that. The problem with your shirty logic is your definition of "wrongfully".nolanvt wrote:When they're wrongfully and illegally discriminated against, I will defend them. Until then, TS.awesome guy wrote: Except neo-nazis or Christian bakers, got it
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USN_Hokie wrote:That's exactly what he's doing.awesome guy wrote:He won't say it, but he really thinks he can discriminate against views he doesn't like while protecting ones he likes. It's as simple as that, an authoritarian making up rules to fit his wants in the current situation. Thankfully our laws strive to be more thoughtful and even handed than he has the ability to be.USN_Hokie wrote:Is it possible for you to frame an argument without assigning irrelevant, emotional labels? I don't think you can.nolanvt wrote:Not shirty at all, unless you think a gay couple wanting a wedding cake is on par with a Neo-Nazi.USN_Hokie wrote:I think everyone gets that. The problem with your shirty logic is your definition of "wrongfully".nolanvt wrote: When they're wrongfully and illegally discriminated against, I will defend them. Until then, TS.
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The gym doesn't even meet the same standard of scrutiny that the bakers did, IMO.
Attach a hateful moniker to a person...presto...its OK to discriminate or assault them.
Nazis did the same thing with Jews. Portray someone as evil subhumans and it's ok to harass them. This is how atrocities happen.
Yep. That line of thinking is dangerous, but you need the skill of critical thinking to understand it so we'll get more double speak.
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It helps that I'm not a Neo-Nazi.awesome guy wrote: You'd never be allowed in a gym if that were true.
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You're an asshole, that's all it takes.nolanvt wrote:It helps that I'm not a Neo-Nazi.awesome guy wrote: You'd never be allowed in a gym if that were true.
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[emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91]USN_Hokie wrote:
That's exactly what he's doing.
Attach a hateful moniker to a person...presto...its OK to discriminate or assault them.
Nazis did the same thing with Jews. Portray someone as evil subhumans and it's ok to harass them. This is how atrocities happen.
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Yep. Too bad they're always wrong and just create chaos as well as violence when they're in power.Mcl3 Hokie wrote:This is it exactly. He wants discrimination to be viewed through his lens, no one else's. It's the goal of the liberal left. They think they always know what's best for others.Awesome Guy wrote:He won't say it, but he really thinks he can discriminate against views he doesn't like while protecting ones he likes. It's as simple as that, an authoritarian making up rules to fit his wants in the current situation. Thankfully our laws strive to be more thoughtful and even handed than he has the ability to be.
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Gays have a set of beliefs.Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
Nazis have a set of beliefs.
Your argument is that rights may acceptably be deprived if ones set of beliefs are something you find distasteful. You have no fundamental understanding of rights. IIWII.
So. A gym can exercise this banning that coincides with your value set.
A bakery cannot exercise a banning that does not coincide with your value set.
Some have more rights available to them than others.
Others should have rights revoked until such a time that their belief set coincides with yours.
You leftists are totalitarians.
You have no understanding of rights. At all.
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If we were to create a venn diagram, there's very little overlap between authoritarians and intelligence. Most authoritarians are dopes with delusions of grandeur.RiverguyVT wrote:Gays have a set of beliefs.Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
Nazis have a set of beliefs.
Your argument is that rights may acceptably be deprived if ones set of beliefs are something you find distasteful. You have no fundamental understanding of rights. IIWII.
So. A gym can exercise this banning that coincides with your value set.
A bakery cannot exercise a banning that does not coincide with your value set.
Some have more rights available to them than others.
Others should have rights revoked until such a time that their belief set coincides with yours.
You leftists are totalitarians.
You have no understanding of rights. At all.
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Nolan's entire argument is that it's illegal to discriminate against gays, but not illegal to discriminate against "Neo-Nazi's"... and yes, it's a wrong and shirty argument on every level.
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And what if the bakers believed that the gays were detrimental to their business. Why would that not have been okay?nolanvt wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
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You do realize we have equal protection under the law do you not? There is no special exception for that for people that self-identify as Nazis. Unless and until they have committed a crime and been convicted of said crime via due process, they have the same protections and rights as gays. At least that's how it's supposed to work in a Constitutional Republic.
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Nope..according to Nolan...It's illegal to discriminate against gays- period. But NOT "Illegal" to discriminate against assholes, nazi's, trump supporters, etc.- and his logic is "Be gay, but don't be a nazi".. effing brilliantUpstateSCHokie wrote:And what if the bakers believed that the gays were detrimental to their business. Why would that not have been okay?nolanvt wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
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You do realize we have equal protection under the law do you not? There is no special exception for that for people that self-identify as Nazis. Unless and until they have committed a crime and been convicted of said crime via due process, they have the same protections and rights as gays. At least that's how it's supposed to work in a Constitutional Republic.
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Not quite. That would purely be an argument from authority, which I'm against. There are laws I disagree with and wouldn't defend them based on their legal statute.CFB Apologist wrote:Nolan's entire argument is that it's illegal to discriminate against gays, but not illegal to discriminate against "Neo-Nazi's"... and yes, it's a wrong and shirty argument on every level.
I agree with laws prohibiting discrimination against certain groups of people, so I argue for them more on that basis.
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Just like CFB said, got it.nolanvt wrote:Not quite. That would purely be an argument from authority, which I'm against. There are laws I disagree with and wouldn't defend them based on their legal statute.CFB Apologist wrote:Nolan's entire argument is that it's illegal to discriminate against gays, but not illegal to discriminate against "Neo-Nazi's"... and yes, it's a wrong and shirty argument on every level.
I agree with laws prohibiting discrimination against certain groups of people, so I argue for them more on that basis.
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I can't go along with your exercise that's attempting to analogize gay people and Nazis.RiverguyVT wrote:Gays have a set of beliefs.Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
Nazis have a set of beliefs.
Your argument is that rights may acceptably be deprived if ones set of beliefs are something you find distasteful. You have no fundamental understanding of rights. IIWII.
So. A gym can exercise this banning that coincides with your value set.
A bakery cannot exercise a banning that does not coincide with your value set.
Some have more rights available to them than others.
Others should have rights revoked until such a time that their belief set coincides with yours.
You leftists are totalitarians.
You have no understanding of rights. At all.
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Except the baker didn't deny business on that basis. The baker cited their own beliefs and the customers simply wanted the product they offered to the public.UpstateSCHokie wrote:And what if the bakers believed that the gays were detrimental to their business. Why would that not have been okay?nolanvt wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
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You do realize we have equal protection under the law do you not? There is no special exception for that for people that self-identify as Nazis. Unless and until they have committed a crime and been convicted of said crime via due process, they have the same protections and rights as gays. At least that's how it's supposed to work in a Constitutional Republic.
OTOH, once a Nazi has been identified as a customer and you offer business in a diverse area, that could be bad for your business, so that would be a reasonable basis to discriminate.
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The law in this case being that in America, its also illegal to discriminate against Nazi's, racists, white bankers, CEO's, Republicans, people that voted for Trump, assholes, straight people, gun owners, ETC. Yes, we get that you don't agree with that law.nolanvt wrote:Not quite. That would purely be an argument from authority, which I'm against. There are laws I disagree with and wouldn't defend them based on their legal statute.CFB Apologist wrote:Nolan's entire argument is that it's illegal to discriminate against gays, but not illegal to discriminate against "Neo-Nazi's"... and yes, it's a wrong and shirty argument on every level.
I agree with laws prohibiting discrimination against certain groups of people, so I argue for them more on that basis.
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They're both loathsomenolanvt wrote:I can't go along with your exercise that's attempting to analogize gay people and Nazis.RiverguyVT wrote:Gays have a set of beliefs.Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
Nazis have a set of beliefs.
Your argument is that rights may acceptably be deprived if ones set of beliefs are something you find distasteful. You have no fundamental understanding of rights. IIWII.
So. A gym can exercise this banning that coincides with your value set.
A bakery cannot exercise a banning that does not coincide with your value set.
Some have more rights available to them than others.
Others should have rights revoked until such a time that their belief set coincides with yours.
You leftists are totalitarians.
You have no understanding of rights. At all.
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LMAO.. just for being a "nazi" huh? In America? LOL you are full retard on this one..big time. What if there was a "nazi" at your gym and he simply went in, lifted weights and left? Did not bother or speak to anyone, just ran on the treadmill, and grabbed his things and went to work? Ban him? because that is EXACTLY what you are arguing.. "Gay guys aren't bad for business...they just want to wear their rainbow shirts and get their cake baked, they are harmless".. BUT the guy with the white power tattoo that doesn't bother anyone must be banned... Not in America Nolan, that's not how it works..nolanvt wrote:Except the baker didn't deny business on that basis. The baker cited their own beliefs and the customers simply wanted the product they offered to the public.UpstateSCHokie wrote:And what if the bakers believed that the gays were detrimental to their business. Why would that not have been okay?nolanvt wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
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You do realize we have equal protection under the law do you not? There is no special exception for that for people that self-identify as Nazis. Unless and until they have committed a crime and been convicted of said crime via due process, they have the same protections and rights as gays. At least that's how it's supposed to work in a Constitutional Republic.
OTOH, once a Nazi has been identified as a customer and you offer business in a diverse area, that could be bad for your business, so that would be a reasonable basis to discriminate.
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Nolan will now reiterate his same retarded point, maybe use a synonym, and look just as foolish as the he did the previous x times he made it. Like arguing with a stop sign. "If I repeat it once more then it may make sense, this time".CFB Apologist wrote:LMAO.. just for being a "nazi" huh? In America? LOL you are full retard on this one..big time. What if there was a "nazi" at your gym and he simply went in, lifted weights and left? Did not bother or speak to anyone, just ran on the treadmill, and grabbed his things and went to work? Ban him? because that is EXACTLY what you are arguing.. "Gay guys aren't bad for business...they just want to wear their rainbow shirts and get their cake baked, they are harmless".. BUT the guy with the white power tattoo that doesn't bother anyone must be banned... Not in America Nolan, that's not how it works..nolanvt wrote:Except the baker didn't deny business on that basis. The baker cited their own beliefs and the customers simply wanted the product they offered to the public.UpstateSCHokie wrote:And what if the bakers believed that the gays were detrimental to their business. Why would that not have been okay?nolanvt wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
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OTOH, once a Nazi has been identified as a customer and you offer business in a diverse area, that could be bad for your business, so that would be a reasonable basis to discriminate.
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[emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91][emoji91]awesome guy wrote:They're both loathsomenolanvt wrote:I can't go along with your exercise that's attempting to analogize gay people and Nazis.RiverguyVT wrote:Gays have a set of beliefs.Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
Nazis have a set of beliefs.
Your argument is that rights may acceptably be deprived if ones set of beliefs are something you find distasteful. You have no fundamental understanding of rights. IIWII.
So. A gym can exercise this banning that coincides with your value set.
A bakery cannot exercise a banning that does not coincide with your value set.
Some have more rights available to them than others.
Others should have rights revoked until such a time that their belief set coincides with yours.
You leftists are totalitarians.
You have no understanding of rights. At all.
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He's also wrong about the gay cake story...they did not simply want a cake that the store offered to the public.. they wanted a custom cake with decorations and words against the owners beliefs. They could have walked in a brought one from the cooler and nobody would have known the difference.awesome guy wrote:Nolan will now reiterate his same retarded point, maybe use a synonym, and look just as foolish as the he did the previous x times he made it. Like arguing with a stop sign. "If I repeat it once more then it may make sense, this time".CFB Apologist wrote:LMAO.. just for being a "nazi" huh? In America? LOL you are full retard on this one..big time. What if there was a "nazi" at your gym and he simply went in, lifted weights and left? Did not bother or speak to anyone, just ran on the treadmill, and grabbed his things and went to work? Ban him? because that is EXACTLY what you are arguing.. "Gay guys aren't bad for business...they just want to wear their rainbow shirts and get their cake baked, they are harmless".. BUT the guy with the white power tattoo that doesn't bother anyone must be banned... Not in America Nolan, that's not how it works..nolanvt wrote:Except the baker didn't deny business on that basis. The baker cited their own beliefs and the customers simply wanted the product they offered to the public.UpstateSCHokie wrote:And what if the bakers believed that the gays were detrimental to their business. Why would that not have been okay?nolanvt wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
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You do realize we have equal protection under the law do you not? There is no special exception for that for people that self-identify as Nazis. Unless and until they have committed a crime and been convicted of said crime via due process, they have the same protections and rights as gays. At least that's how it's supposed to work in a Constitutional Republic.
OTOH, once a Nazi has been identified as a customer and you offer business in a diverse area, that could be bad for your business, so that would be a reasonable basis to discriminate.
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Which law did the gym violate?CFB Apologist wrote:The law in this case being that in America, its also illegal to discriminate against Nazi's, racists, white bankers, CEO's, Republicans, people that voted for Trump, assholes, straight people, gun owners, ETC. Yes, we get that you don't agree with that law.
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Ill answer that right after you tell me which law the nazi violatednolanvt wrote:Which law did the gym violate?CFB Apologist wrote:The law in this case being that in America, its also illegal to discriminate against Nazi's, racists, white bankers, CEO's, Republicans, people that voted for Trump, assholes, straight people, gun owners, ETC. Yes, we get that you don't agree with that law.
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Yep, no one confuses him with facts.CFB Apologist wrote:He's also wrong about the gay cake story...they did not simply want a cake that the store offered to the public.. they wanted a custom cake with decorations and words against the owners beliefs. They could have walked in a brought one from the cooler and nobody would have known the difference.awesome guy wrote:Nolan will now reiterate his same retarded point, maybe use a synonym, and look just as foolish as the he did the previous x times he made it. Like arguing with a stop sign. "If I repeat it once more then it may make sense, this time".CFB Apologist wrote:LMAO.. just for being a "nazi" huh? In America? LOL you are full retard on this one..big time. What if there was a "nazi" at your gym and he simply went in, lifted weights and left? Did not bother or speak to anyone, just ran on the treadmill, and grabbed his things and went to work? Ban him? because that is EXACTLY what you are arguing.. "Gay guys aren't bad for business...they just want to wear their rainbow shirts and get their cake baked, they are harmless".. BUT the guy with the white power tattoo that doesn't bother anyone must be banned... Not in America Nolan, that's not how it works..nolanvt wrote:Except the baker didn't deny business on that basis. The baker cited their own beliefs and the customers simply wanted the product they offered to the public.UpstateSCHokie wrote:And what if the bakers believed that the gays were detrimental to their business. Why would that not have been okay?nolanvt wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
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You do realize we have equal protection under the law do you not? There is no special exception for that for people that self-identify as Nazis. Unless and until they have committed a crime and been convicted of said crime via due process, they have the same protections and rights as gays. At least that's how it's supposed to work in a Constitutional Republic.
OTOH, once a Nazi has been identified as a customer and you offer business in a diverse area, that could be bad for your business, so that would be a reasonable basis to discriminate.
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