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nolanvt wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.


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And what if the bakers believed that the gays were detrimental to their business. Why would that not have been okay?

You do realize we have equal protection under the law do you not? There is no special exception for that for people that self-identify as Nazis. Unless and until they have committed a crime and been convicted of said crime via due process, they have the same protections and rights as gays. At least that's how it's supposed to work in a Constitutional Republic.
Except the baker didn't deny business on that basis. The baker cited their own beliefs and the customers simply wanted the product they offered to the public.

OTOH, once a Nazi has been identified as a customer and you offer business in a diverse area, that could be bad for your business, so that would be a reasonable basis to discriminate.


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LMAO.. just for being a "nazi" huh? In America? LOL you are full retard on this one..big time. What if there was a "nazi" at your gym and he simply went in, lifted weights and left? Did not bother or speak to anyone, just ran on the treadmill, and grabbed his things and went to work? Ban him? because that is EXACTLY what you are arguing.. "Gay guys aren't bad for business...they just want to wear their rainbow shirts and get their cake baked, they are harmless".. BUT the guy with the white power tattoo that doesn't bother anyone must be banned... Not in America Nolan, that's not how it works..
The Nazi was banned because he was made. That put the gym in a tough spot serving a diverse community and also employing a diverse staff.


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nolanvt wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
Gays have a set of beliefs.
Nazis have a set of beliefs.
Your argument is that rights may acceptably be deprived if ones set of beliefs are something you find distasteful. You have no fundamental understanding of rights. IIWII.

So. A gym can exercise this banning that coincides with your value set.
A bakery cannot exercise a banning that does not coincide with your value set.

Some have more rights available to them than others.
Others should have rights revoked until such a time that their belief set coincides with yours.

You leftists are totalitarians.
You have no understanding of rights. At all.
I can't go along with your exercise that's attempting to analogize gay people and Nazis.


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That's not even half as clever as you imagine it to be.
So, you've got no answer?
Apparently not.
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nolanvt wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.


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And what if the bakers believed that the gays were detrimental to their business. Why would that not have been okay?

You do realize we have equal protection under the law do you not? There is no special exception for that for people that self-identify as Nazis. Unless and until they have committed a crime and been convicted of said crime via due process, they have the same protections and rights as gays. At least that's how it's supposed to work in a Constitutional Republic.
Except the baker didn't deny business on that basis. The baker cited their own beliefs and the customers simply wanted the product they offered to the public.

OTOH, once a Nazi has been identified as a customer and you offer business in a diverse area, that could be bad for your business, so that would be a reasonable basis to discriminate.


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LMAO.. just for being a "nazi" huh? In America? LOL you are full retard on this one..big time. What if there was a "nazi" at your gym and he simply went in, lifted weights and left? Did not bother or speak to anyone, just ran on the treadmill, and grabbed his things and went to work? Ban him? because that is EXACTLY what you are arguing.. "Gay guys aren't bad for business...they just want to wear their rainbow shirts and get their cake baked, they are harmless".. BUT the guy with the white power tattoo that doesn't bother anyone must be banned... Not in America Nolan, that's not how it works..
The Nazi was banned because he was made. That put the gym in a tough spot serving a diverse community and also employing a diverse staff.


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Because diverse people are violent assholes? What's your point?
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RiverguyVT wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
Gays have a set of beliefs.
Nazis have a set of beliefs.
Your argument is that rights may acceptably be deprived if ones set of beliefs are something you find distasteful. You have no fundamental understanding of rights. IIWII.

So. A gym can exercise this banning that coincides with your value set.
A bakery cannot exercise a banning that does not coincide with your value set.

Some have more rights available to them than others.
Others should have rights revoked until such a time that their belief set coincides with yours.

You leftists are totalitarians.
You have no understanding of rights. At all.
I can't go along with your exercise that's attempting to analogize gay people and Nazis.


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That's not even half as clever as you imagine it to be.
So, you've got no answer?
Apparently not.
My answer is gays and Nazis aren't even remotely comparable.


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awesome guy wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.


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And what if the bakers believed that the gays were detrimental to their business. Why would that not have been okay?

You do realize we have equal protection under the law do you not? There is no special exception for that for people that self-identify as Nazis. Unless and until they have committed a crime and been convicted of said crime via due process, they have the same protections and rights as gays. At least that's how it's supposed to work in a Constitutional Republic.
Except the baker didn't deny business on that basis. The baker cited their own beliefs and the customers simply wanted the product they offered to the public.

OTOH, once a Nazi has been identified as a customer and you offer business in a diverse area, that could be bad for your business, so that would be a reasonable basis to discriminate.


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LMAO.. just for being a "nazi" huh? In America? LOL you are full retard on this one..big time. What if there was a "nazi" at your gym and he simply went in, lifted weights and left? Did not bother or speak to anyone, just ran on the treadmill, and grabbed his things and went to work? Ban him? because that is EXACTLY what you are arguing.. "Gay guys aren't bad for business...they just want to wear their rainbow shirts and get their cake baked, they are harmless".. BUT the guy with the white power tattoo that doesn't bother anyone must be banned... Not in America Nolan, that's not how it works..
The Nazi was banned because he was made. That put the gym in a tough spot serving a diverse community and also employing a diverse staff.


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Because diverse people are violent assholes? What's your point?
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CFB Apologist wrote:Nolan's entire argument is that it's illegal to discriminate against gays, but not illegal to discriminate against "Neo-Nazi's"... and yes, it's a wrong and shirty argument on every level.
If nolan ever meets a gay Nazi his head is going to explode.
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The Nazi was banned because he was made.
So, had he not been made, his rights would have been protected in Nolan's view of the world. Good to know that Nolan only supports rights of people in the closet, and secretive with their belief sets and value judgments. How totalitarian of him. Animal Farm.
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nolanvt wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
Gays have a set of beliefs.
Nazis have a set of beliefs.
Your argument is that rights may acceptably be deprived if ones set of beliefs are something you find distasteful. You have no fundamental understanding of rights. IIWII.

So. A gym can exercise this banning that coincides with your value set.
A bakery cannot exercise a banning that does not coincide with your value set.

Some have more rights available to them than others.
Others should have rights revoked until such a time that their belief set coincides with yours.

You leftists are totalitarians.
You have no understanding of rights. At all.
I can't go along with your exercise that's attempting to analogize gay people and Nazis.


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That's not even half as clever as you imagine it to be.
So, you've got no answer?
Apparently not.
My answer is gays and Nazis aren't even remotely comparable.


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Rights are comparable. Something you are totally missing. I don't care if it nazis and gays; re-label "belief set A" and "belief set B" if it makes you more comfortable.

And yeah, you're being a bit of a gay nazi in your application of rights, only doling the rights out to those whom you agree with.
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RiverguyVT wrote:
The Nazi was banned because he was made.
So, had he not been made, his rights would have been protected in Nolan's view of the world. Good to know that Nolan only supports rights of people in the closet, and secretive with their belief sets and value judgments. How totalitarian of him. Animal Farm.

He fears that a liberal will embarrass him with a stupid video or a black will attack him. His views on blacks are exposed in this silly point.
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My answer is gays and Nazis aren't even remotely comparable.
They both make you butthurt.
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nolanvt wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote: And what if the bakers believed that the gays were detrimental to their business. Why would that not have been okay?

You do realize we have equal protection under the law do you not? There is no special exception for that for people that self-identify as Nazis. Unless and until they have committed a crime and been convicted of said crime via due process, they have the same protections and rights as gays. At least that's how it's supposed to work in a Constitutional Republic.
Except the baker didn't deny business on that basis. The baker cited their own beliefs and the customers simply wanted the product they offered to the public.

OTOH, once a Nazi has been identified as a customer and you offer business in a diverse area, that could be bad for your business, so that would be a reasonable basis to discriminate.


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LMAO.. just for being a "nazi" huh? In America? LOL you are full retard on this one..big time. What if there was a "nazi" at your gym and he simply went in, lifted weights and left? Did not bother or speak to anyone, just ran on the treadmill, and grabbed his things and went to work? Ban him? because that is EXACTLY what you are arguing.. "Gay guys aren't bad for business...they just want to wear their rainbow shirts and get their cake baked, they are harmless".. BUT the guy with the white power tattoo that doesn't bother anyone must be banned... Not in America Nolan, that's not how it works..
The Nazi was banned because he was made. That put the gym in a tough spot serving a diverse community and also employing a diverse staff.


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Because diverse people are violent assholes? What's your point?
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nolanvt wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
Except neo-nazis or Christian bakers, got it
When they're wrongfully and illegally discriminated against, I will defend them. Until then, TS.


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I think everyone gets that. The problem with your shirty logic is your definition of "wrongfully".
Not shirty at all, unless you think a gay couple wanting a wedding cake is on par with a Neo-Nazi.


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Read up on "rights". It would serve you well.
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.


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The problem I have is that the gym didn't terminate the cow's membership for attacking another member.
In terms of the rules of the gym, I'm pretty sure that she violated written rules, and Spencer didn't.

If they want to terminate his membership, that's their right. But allowing someone to be treated like she treated him, because they agree with her and disagree with him, is a bad decision.
If he was screaming Heil Hitler as he completed each rep, then sure, kick him out. But, in this case, she behaved poorly, and he was just minding his own business. She is the dirtbag in this scenario.
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The Nazi was banned because he was made.
So, had he not been made, his rights would have been protected in Nolan's view of the world. Good to know that Nolan only supports rights of people in the closet, and secretive with their belief sets and value judgments. How totalitarian of him. Animal Farm.
Which of his "rights" were violated?


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RiverguyVT wrote:
The Nazi was banned because he was made.
So, had he not been made, his rights would have been protected in Nolan's view of the world. Good to know that Nolan only supports rights of people in the closet, and secretive with their belief sets and value judgments. How totalitarian of him. Animal Farm.

He fears that a liberal will embarrass him with a stupid video or a black will attack him. His views on blacks are exposed in this silly point.
"A black". Nice.


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nolanvt wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
The Nazi was banned because he was made.
So, had he not been made, his rights would have been protected in Nolan's view of the world. Good to know that Nolan only supports rights of people in the closet, and secretive with their belief sets and value judgments. How totalitarian of him. Animal Farm.

He fears that a liberal will embarrass him with a stupid video or a black will attack him. His views on blacks are exposed in this silly point.
"A black". Nice.


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They're who you fear, allegedly. We know your argument is just more bullshit.
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nolanvt wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
The Nazi was banned because he was made.
So, had he not been made, his rights would have been protected in Nolan's view of the world. Good to know that Nolan only supports rights of people in the closet, and secretive with their belief sets and value judgments. How totalitarian of him. Animal Farm.
Which of his "rights" were violated?


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RiverguyVT wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.
Gays have a set of beliefs.
Nazis have a set of beliefs.
Your argument is that rights may acceptably be deprived if ones set of beliefs are something you find distasteful. You have no fundamental understanding of rights. IIWII.

So. A gym can exercise this banning that coincides with your value set.
A bakery cannot exercise a banning that does not coincide with your value set.

Some have more rights available to them than others.
Others should have rights revoked until such a time that their belief set coincides with yours.

You leftists are totalitarians.
You have no understanding of rights. At all.
I can't go along with your exercise that's attempting to analogize gay people and Nazis.


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That's not even half as clever as you imagine it to be.
So, you've got no answer?
Apparently not.
My answer is gays and Nazis aren't even remotely comparable.


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Rights are comparable. Something you are totally missing. I don't care if it nazis and gays; re-label "belief set A" and "belief set B" if it makes you more comfortable.

And yeah, you're being a bit of a gay nazi in your application of rights, only doling the rights out to those whom you agree with.
It's about protected classes, not rights. And while you may not agree, it's generally more accepted that being gay is not a belief, while being a Nazi clearly is.
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RiverguyVT wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
The Nazi was banned because he was made.
So, had he not been made, his rights would have been protected in Nolan's view of the world. Good to know that Nolan only supports rights of people in the closet, and secretive with their belief sets and value judgments. How totalitarian of him. Animal Farm.
Which of his "rights" were violated?


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Now you're just being a troll
I don't see the right to a gym membership in my pocket Constitution.


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nolanvt wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
The Nazi was banned because he was made.
So, had he not been made, his rights would have been protected in Nolan's view of the world. Good to know that Nolan only supports rights of people in the closet, and secretive with their belief sets and value judgments. How totalitarian of him. Animal Farm.

He fears that a liberal will embarrass him with a stupid video or a black will attack him. His views on blacks are exposed in this silly point.
"A black". Nice.


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They're who you fear, allegedly. We know your argument is just more bullshit.
Why are you under the impression that I fear black people?


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nolanvt wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.


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And what if the bakers believed that the gays were detrimental to their business. Why would that not have been okay?

You do realize we have equal protection under the law do you not? There is no special exception for that for people that self-identify as Nazis. Unless and until they have committed a crime and been convicted of said crime via due process, they have the same protections and rights as gays. At least that's how it's supposed to work in a Constitutional Republic.
Except the baker didn't deny business on that basis. The baker cited their own beliefs and the customers simply wanted the product they offered to the public.

OTOH, once a Nazi has been identified as a customer and you offer business in a diverse area, that could be bad for your business, so that would be a reasonable basis to discriminate.


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LMAO.. just for being a "nazi" huh? In America? LOL you are full retard on this one..big time. What if there was a "nazi" at your gym and he simply went in, lifted weights and left? Did not bother or speak to anyone, just ran on the treadmill, and grabbed his things and went to work? Ban him? because that is EXACTLY what you are arguing.. "Gay guys aren't bad for business...they just want to wear their rainbow shirts and get their cake baked, they are harmless".. BUT the guy with the white power tattoo that doesn't bother anyone must be banned... Not in America Nolan, that's not how it works..
The Nazi was banned because he was made. That put the gym in a tough spot serving a diverse community and also employing a diverse staff.


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And the homosexuals wanting a cake were 'made' when they requested a custom cake from an established, Christian-owned bakery. There was nothing accidental about this forced encounter.
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nolanvt wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
The Nazi was banned because he was made.
So, had he not been made, his rights would have been protected in Nolan's view of the world. Good to know that Nolan only supports rights of people in the closet, and secretive with their belief sets and value judgments. How totalitarian of him. Animal Farm.
Which of his "rights" were violated?


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Now you're just being a troll
I don't see the right to a gym membership in my pocket Constitution.


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nolanvt wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
The Nazi was banned because he was made.
So, had he not been made, his rights would have been protected in Nolan's view of the world. Good to know that Nolan only supports rights of people in the closet, and secretive with their belief sets and value judgments. How totalitarian of him. Animal Farm.

He fears that a liberal will embarrass him with a stupid video or a black will attack him. His views on blacks are exposed in this silly point.
"A black". Nice.


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They're who you fear, allegedly. We know your argument is just more bullshit.
Why are you under the impression that I fear black people?


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That's your inference about "diverse neighborhood", that there would be violence in hearing a diverse view. Just admit it because that's what you conveyed. I'm sure you'll just give another dumb rehashing of your previous dumb statement. Open minded communities don't have to worry about violence in the presence of a social pariah.
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nolanvt wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
The Nazi was banned because he was made.
So, had he not been made, his rights would have been protected in Nolan's view of the world. Good to know that Nolan only supports rights of people in the closet, and secretive with their belief sets and value judgments. How totalitarian of him. Animal Farm.
Which of his "rights" were violated?


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Now you're just being a troll
I don't see the right to a gym membership in my pocket Constitution.


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It's right above the "access to gay wedding cake" clause, but right below the clause saying if you're not secretive with your beliefs, your rights are still protected. Don't be a twit.
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HokieJoe wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
Right. I'm aware that gyms are allowed to ban customers who they believe are assholes and are detrimental to their business.


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And what if the bakers believed that the gays were detrimental to their business. Why would that not have been okay?

You do realize we have equal protection under the law do you not? There is no special exception for that for people that self-identify as Nazis. Unless and until they have committed a crime and been convicted of said crime via due process, they have the same protections and rights as gays. At least that's how it's supposed to work in a Constitutional Republic.
Except the baker didn't deny business on that basis. The baker cited their own beliefs and the customers simply wanted the product they offered to the public.

OTOH, once a Nazi has been identified as a customer and you offer business in a diverse area, that could be bad for your business, so that would be a reasonable basis to discriminate.


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LMAO.. just for being a "nazi" huh? In America? LOL you are full retard on this one..big time. What if there was a "nazi" at your gym and he simply went in, lifted weights and left? Did not bother or speak to anyone, just ran on the treadmill, and grabbed his things and went to work? Ban him? because that is EXACTLY what you are arguing.. "Gay guys aren't bad for business...they just want to wear their rainbow shirts and get their cake baked, they are harmless".. BUT the guy with the white power tattoo that doesn't bother anyone must be banned... Not in America Nolan, that's not how it works..
The Nazi was banned because he was made. That put the gym in a tough spot serving a diverse community and also employing a diverse staff.


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And the homosexuals wanting a cake were 'made' when they requested a custom cake from an established, Christian-owned bakery. There was nothing accidental about this forced encounter.
If only the gays hadn't come out, Nolan would've supported their rights. Oh. Wait. :?
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Re: Richard Spencer's gym membership revoked

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HokieJoe wrote:
And the homosexuals wanting a cake were 'made' when they requested a custom cake from an established, Christian-owned bakery. There was nothing accidental about this forced encounter.
In which what the baker did was wrong and against the law.


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