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Flynn investigation. It seems to me that request was made (if true) AFTER Flynn had resigned from the administration. I could see Trump doing that, but it seems to be a plea to not ruin an honorable guy who made a dumb mistake (lying to the VEEP). If Trump did that, it was foolish but not in any way illegal, IMHO. Plus, Flynn has not been convicted of any criminal activity either.

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WestEndHokie39 wrote:Flynn investigation. It seems to me that request was made (if true) AFTER Flynn had resigned from the administration. I could see Trump doing that, but it seems to be a plea to not ruin an honorable guy who made a dumb mistake (lying to the VEEP). If Trump did that, it was foolish but not in any way illegal, IMHO. Plus, Flynn has not been convicted of any criminal activity either.

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He shouldn't have done it. He should stay out of trying to sway anyone. But this isn't obstruction of justice.
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He also said the request (as he termed it) wasn't related to any Russia investigation. Trump was talking about the failure to disclose / misleading the VP. That's his "out" so he can say he didn't perjure himself.

Total nothingburger. Comey sounds like a jaded schoolgirl.
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WestEndHokie39 wrote:Flynn investigation. It seems to me that request was made (if true) AFTER Flynn had resigned from the administration. I could see Trump doing that, but it seems to be a plea to not ruin an honorable guy who made a dumb mistake (lying to the VEEP). If Trump did that, it was foolish but not in any way illegal, IMHO. Plus, Flynn has not been convicted of any criminal activity either.

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It's not really a bombshell since it just confirms what those anonymous sources had said. I think the big question is,. If Flynn is charged with a crime,. Does that escalate anything against Trump? That's not a rhetorical question. OoJ is a murky area at the best of times. At the very least,. It's not a good look for any president.
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ElbertoHokie wrote:
WestEndHokie39 wrote:Flynn investigation. It seems to me that request was made (if true) AFTER Flynn had resigned from the administration. I could see Trump doing that, but it seems to be a plea to not ruin an honorable guy who made a dumb mistake (lying to the VEEP). If Trump did that, it was foolish but not in any way illegal, IMHO. Plus, Flynn has not been convicted of any criminal activity either.

Thoughts?
It's not really a bombshell since it just confirms what those anonymous sources had said. I think the big question is,. If Flynn is charged with a crime,. Does that escalate anything against Trump? That's not a rhetorical question. OoJ is a murky area at the best of times. At the very least,. It's not a good look for any president.
Hmmm, I think I'll go with Judge Napolitano's opinion over partisan wishful thinking.

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Judge Napolitano: Comey’s Pre-Testimony Statements Reveal Trump Did Nothing Illegal (VIDEO)
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Judge Napolitano told Trish Regan on Wednesday on former FBI Director James Comey’s statements that were released before his much anticipated Thursday testimony.

Napolitano told FOX Business Network the documents reveal President Trump did nothing illegal.
Judge Napolitano: It doesn’t appear as though these conversations that the president had with Director Comey could constitute the level of constitutional obstruction of justice necessary to commence any further proceedings like impeachment like Democrats want to do.
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ElbertoHokie wrote:
WestEndHokie39 wrote:Flynn investigation. It seems to me that request was made (if true) AFTER Flynn had resigned from the administration. I could see Trump doing that, but it seems to be a plea to not ruin an honorable guy who made a dumb mistake (lying to the VEEP). If Trump did that, it was foolish but not in any way illegal, IMHO. Plus, Flynn has not been convicted of any criminal activity either.

Thoughts?
It's not really a bombshell since it just confirms what those anonymous sources had said. I think the big question is,. If Flynn is charged with a crime,. Does that escalate anything against Trump? That's not a rhetorical question. OoJ is a murky area at the best of times. At the very least,. It's not a good look for any president.
saying the guy is a good guy and he hopes that the actions against are avoided is not a good look?? huh?? do you support your friends or throw them under the bus, I support mine
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cwtcr hokie wrote:
ElbertoHokie wrote:
WestEndHokie39 wrote:Flynn investigation. It seems to me that request was made (if true) AFTER Flynn had resigned from the administration. I could see Trump doing that, but it seems to be a plea to not ruin an honorable guy who made a dumb mistake (lying to the VEEP). If Trump did that, it was foolish but not in any way illegal, IMHO. Plus, Flynn has not been convicted of any criminal activity either.

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It's not really a bombshell since it just confirms what those anonymous sources had said. I think the big question is,. If Flynn is charged with a crime,. Does that escalate anything against Trump? That's not a rhetorical question. OoJ is a murky area at the best of times. At the very least,. It's not a good look for any president.
saying the guy is a good guy and he hopes that the actions against are avoided is not a good look?? huh?? do you support your friends or throw them under the bus, I support mine
Agree. Trump was saying he hoped that Flynn, who he saw as a good guy, didn't get crucified. Nothing wrong with that both from the comment on Trump's part and the lack of adhering action on Comey's part.

Similarly, this issue of Trump telling Comey he expected loyalty from him; I fully understand it. Trump wanted some assurance that Comey wasn't going to go behind his back, wasn't going to leak to the press, wasn't going to defy him for no reason. That is what I would expect from a senior executive hire.
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133743Hokie wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
ElbertoHokie wrote:
WestEndHokie39 wrote:Flynn investigation. It seems to me that request was made (if true) AFTER Flynn had resigned from the administration. I could see Trump doing that, but it seems to be a plea to not ruin an honorable guy who made a dumb mistake (lying to the VEEP). If Trump did that, it was foolish but not in any way illegal, IMHO. Plus, Flynn has not been convicted of any criminal activity either.

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It's not really a bombshell since it just confirms what those anonymous sources had said. I think the big question is,. If Flynn is charged with a crime,. Does that escalate anything against Trump? That's not a rhetorical question. OoJ is a murky area at the best of times. At the very least,. It's not a good look for any president.
saying the guy is a good guy and he hopes that the actions against are avoided is not a good look?? huh?? do you support your friends or throw them under the bus, I support mine
Agree. Trump was saying he hoped that Flynn, who he saw as a good guy, didn't get crucified. Nothing wrong with that both from the comment on Trump's part and the lack of adhering action on Comey's part.

Similarly, this issue of Trump telling Comey he expected loyalty from him; I fully understand it. Trump wanted some assurance that Comey wasn't going to go behind his back, wasn't going to leak to the press, wasn't going to defy him for no reason. That is what I would expect from a senior executive hire.
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Trump's administration was the aggrieved party in regards to Flynn's conduct and Trump was saying that he wanted to forgive Flynn. I'm not seeing why that would be a problem at all.

I'm not sure what there would be to even investigate anyway - is lying to the VP a criminal offense?
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BigDave wrote:Trump's administration was the aggrieved party in regards to Flynn's conduct and Trump was saying that he wanted to forgive Flynn. I'm not seeing why that would be a problem at all.

I'm not sure what there would be to even investigate anyway - is lying to the VP a criminal offense?
about the only they may be able to get flynn on is lying to congress either in testimony or disclosure forms, remember they are going after manafort for deals he made 20 years before Trump even ran for office. WE have way surpassed the throw any crap on the wall and see what sticks phase
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ElbertoHokie wrote:
WestEndHokie39 wrote:Flynn investigation. It seems to me that request was made (if true) AFTER Flynn had resigned from the administration. I could see Trump doing that, but it seems to be a plea to not ruin an honorable guy who made a dumb mistake (lying to the VEEP). If Trump did that, it was foolish but not in any way illegal, IMHO. Plus, Flynn has not been convicted of any criminal activity either.

Thoughts?
It's not really a bombshell since it just confirms what those anonymous sources had said. I think the big question is,. If Flynn is charged with a crime,. Does that escalate anything against Trump? That's not a rhetorical question. OoJ is a murky area at the best of times. At the very least,. It's not a good look for any president.
No, why would it?
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ElbertoHokie wrote:
WestEndHokie39 wrote:Flynn investigation. It seems to me that request was made (if true) AFTER Flynn had resigned from the administration. I could see Trump doing that, but it seems to be a plea to not ruin an honorable guy who made a dumb mistake (lying to the VEEP). If Trump did that, it was foolish but not in any way illegal, IMHO. Plus, Flynn has not been convicted of any criminal activity either.

Thoughts?
It's not really a bombshell since it just confirms what those anonymous sources had said. I think the big question is,. If Flynn is charged with a crime,. Does that escalate anything against Trump? That's not a rhetorical question. OoJ is a murky area at the best of times. At the very least,. It's not a good look for any president.
No, Obummer apologizing to UN nations for them not paying their bills not a good look for our prez, Trump is fine
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BigDave wrote:Trump's administration was the aggrieved party in regards to Flynn's conduct and Trump was saying that he wanted to forgive Flynn. I'm not seeing why that would be a problem at all.

I'm not sure what there would be to even investigate anyway - is lying to the VP a criminal offense?
My guess is that it would be prosecution for omissions on the disclosure for his security clearance.
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BigDave wrote:Trump's administration was the aggrieved party in regards to Flynn's conduct and Trump was saying that he wanted to forgive Flynn. I'm not seeing why that would be a problem at all.

I'm not sure what there would be to even investigate anyway - is lying to the VP a criminal offense?
My guess is that it would be prosecution for omissions on the disclosure for his security clearance.
And that is hard to prove. Omissions are often viewed as just that, "I forgot" or "I didn't think that applied", etc. You don't get prosecuted for omitting info on SF-86 or other IC clearance documents because they can't suss out intent. You can have your clearance pulled or not approved, but that's about it. It isn't a crime unless it is knowingly done, and intent is almost impossible to prove.
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133743Hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
BigDave wrote:Trump's administration was the aggrieved party in regards to Flynn's conduct and Trump was saying that he wanted to forgive Flynn. I'm not seeing why that would be a problem at all.

I'm not sure what there would be to even investigate anyway - is lying to the VP a criminal offense?
My guess is that it would be prosecution for omissions on the disclosure for his security clearance.
And that is hard to prove. Omissions are often viewed as just that, "I forgot" or "I didn't think that applied", etc. You don't get prosecuted for omitting info on SF-86 or other IC clearance documents because they can't suss out intent. You can have your clearance pulled or not approved, but that's about it. It isn't a crime unless it is knowingly done, and intent is almost impossible to prove.
Agree. Let's put it this way: There's Faaaaaaaaaaaar^∞ more evidence that Hillary willfully distributed and destroyed classified data than there is that Flynn willfully omitted a meeting. It would be impossible to prosecute. You might debar someone from holding a clearance for a certain amount of time at worst.
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cwtcr hokie wrote:
ElbertoHokie wrote:
WestEndHokie39 wrote:Flynn investigation. It seems to me that request was made (if true) AFTER Flynn had resigned from the administration. I could see Trump doing that, but it seems to be a plea to not ruin an honorable guy who made a dumb mistake (lying to the VEEP). If Trump did that, it was foolish but not in any way illegal, IMHO. Plus, Flynn has not been convicted of any criminal activity either.

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It's not really a bombshell since it just confirms what those anonymous sources had said. I think the big question is,. If Flynn is charged with a crime,. Does that escalate anything against Trump? That's not a rhetorical question. OoJ is a murky area at the best of times. At the very least,. It's not a good look for any president.
saying the guy is a good guy and he hopes that the actions against are avoided is not a good look?? huh?? do you support your friends or throw them under the bus, I support mine
As far as the friends part and protecting them, no. You're the president,. You don't get the luxury of protecting friends or doing anything that might make the shield look bad. You're the office but the office is (supposed to be) more important than you. You can have friends and do favors when you're writing 11th hour pardons and a lame duck.

Every president I've seen interviewed says it's the loneliest place in the world. You can't be just another guy.
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ElbertoHokie wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
ElbertoHokie wrote:
WestEndHokie39 wrote:Flynn investigation. It seems to me that request was made (if true) AFTER Flynn had resigned from the administration. I could see Trump doing that, but it seems to be a plea to not ruin an honorable guy who made a dumb mistake (lying to the VEEP). If Trump did that, it was foolish but not in any way illegal, IMHO. Plus, Flynn has not been convicted of any criminal activity either.

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It's not really a bombshell since it just confirms what those anonymous sources had said. I think the big question is,. If Flynn is charged with a crime,. Does that escalate anything against Trump? That's not a rhetorical question. OoJ is a murky area at the best of times. At the very least,. It's not a good look for any president.
saying the guy is a good guy and he hopes that the actions against are avoided is not a good look?? huh?? do you support your friends or throw them under the bus, I support mine
As far as the friends part and protecting them, no. You're the president,. You don't get the luxury of protecting friends or doing anything that might make the shield look bad. You're the office but the office is (supposed to be) more important than you. You can have friends and do favors when you're writing 11th hour pardons and a lame duck.

Every president I've seen interviewed says it's the loneliest place in the world. You can't be just another guy.
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ElbertoHokie wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
ElbertoHokie wrote:
WestEndHokie39 wrote:Flynn investigation. It seems to me that request was made (if true) AFTER Flynn had resigned from the administration. I could see Trump doing that, but it seems to be a plea to not ruin an honorable guy who made a dumb mistake (lying to the VEEP). If Trump did that, it was foolish but not in any way illegal, IMHO. Plus, Flynn has not been convicted of any criminal activity either.

Thoughts?
It's not really a bombshell since it just confirms what those anonymous sources had said. I think the big question is,. If Flynn is charged with a crime,. Does that escalate anything against Trump? That's not a rhetorical question. OoJ is a murky area at the best of times. At the very least,. It's not a good look for any president.
saying the guy is a good guy and he hopes that the actions against are avoided is not a good look?? huh?? do you support your friends or throw them under the bus, I support mine
As far as the friends part and protecting them, no. You're the president,. You don't get the luxury of protecting friends or doing anything that might make the shield look bad. You're the office but the office is (supposed to be) more important than you. You can have friends and do favors when you're writing 11th hour pardons and a lame duck.

Every president I've seen interviewed says it's the loneliest place in the world. You can't be just another guy.
Your argument assumes things which don't exist.
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ElbertoHokie wrote:
As far as the friends part and protecting them, no. You're the president,. You don't get the luxury of protecting friends or doing anything that might make the shield look bad. You're the office but the office is (supposed to be) more important than you. You can have friends and do favors when you're writing 11th hour pardons and a lame duck.

Every president I've seen interviewed says it's the loneliest place in the world. You can't be just another guy.
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ElbertoHokie wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
ElbertoHokie wrote:
WestEndHokie39 wrote:Flynn investigation. It seems to me that request was made (if true) AFTER Flynn had resigned from the administration. I could see Trump doing that, but it seems to be a plea to not ruin an honorable guy who made a dumb mistake (lying to the VEEP). If Trump did that, it was foolish but not in any way illegal, IMHO. Plus, Flynn has not been convicted of any criminal activity either.

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It's not really a bombshell since it just confirms what those anonymous sources had said. I think the big question is,. If Flynn is charged with a crime,. Does that escalate anything against Trump? That's not a rhetorical question. OoJ is a murky area at the best of times. At the very least,. It's not a good look for any president.
saying the guy is a good guy and he hopes that the actions against are avoided is not a good look?? huh?? do you support your friends or throw them under the bus, I support mine
As far as the friends part and protecting them, no. You're the president,. You don't get the luxury of protecting friends or doing anything that might make the shield look bad. You're the office but the office is (supposed to be) more important than you. You can have friends and do favors when you're writing 11th hour pardons and a lame duck.

Every president I've seen interviewed says it's the loneliest place in the world. You can't be just another guy.
except he did nothing to "protect" him, he fired him and was expressing to Comey that he was a good guy, that is an opinion and the prez is allowed to have an opinion
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