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night, the dems continue their losing tradition in the house and senate, way to go SC and GA
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Of course the democrat line this morning is that the Georgia 6th District was always a republican stronghold and it was always a long shot that they would win there. The election wasn't a referendum on Trump because the GA 6th wasn't a strong Trump outpost to start with - they're independent conservatives. Blah, blah, blah.

Amazing how the story can swing 180 degrees in 24 hours!
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133743Hokie wrote:Of course the democrat line this morning is that the Georgia 6th District was always a republican stronghold and it was always a long shot that they would win there. The election wasn't a referendum on Trump because the GA 6th wasn't a strong Trump outpost to start with - they're independent conservatives. Blah, blah, blah.

Amazing how the story can swing 180 degrees in 24 hours!
the best part is they hate women (the repub candidate) and they outspent her like 20 to 1, and still lost :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

the commercials her people ran were great, the one with the Cali dude was spot on
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Most Dems are legitimately surprised to discover that everyone doesn't think the sky is falling.

In their little echo-chambers, everyone agrees that Trump is the harbinger of our destruction.
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cwtcr hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:Of course the democrat line this morning is that the Georgia 6th District was always a republican stronghold and it was always a long shot that they would win there. The election wasn't a referendum on Trump because the GA 6th wasn't a strong Trump outpost to start with - they're independent conservatives. Blah, blah, blah.

Amazing how the story can swing 180 degrees in 24 hours!
the best part is they hate women (the repub candidate) and they outspent her like 20 to 1, and still lost :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

the commercials her people ran were great, the one with the Cali dude was spot on
They're so delusional that they're calling Republicans misogynists for voting for a woman.

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USN_Hokie wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:Of course the democrat line this morning is that the Georgia 6th District was always a republican stronghold and it was always a long shot that they would win there. The election wasn't a referendum on Trump because the GA 6th wasn't a strong Trump outpost to start with - they're independent conservatives. Blah, blah, blah.

Amazing how the story can swing 180 degrees in 24 hours!
the best part is they hate women (the repub candidate) and they outspent her like 20 to 1, and still lost [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]

the commercials her people ran were great, the one with the Cali dude was spot on
They're so delusional that they're calling Republicans misogynists for voting for a woman.

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cwtcr hokie wrote:night, the dems continue their losing tradition in the house and senate, way to go SC and GA

If the expectation given the demographics/etc. is that the republican would win by 20 points and instead won by 5 points, that's not nothing. I don't know the facts. Would demographics/historical results imply a 5 point race? This could be a worrying sign for the republicans even though it is a "win".
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TheH2 wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:night, the dems continue their losing tradition in the house and senate, way to go SC and GA

If the expectation given the demographics/etc. is that the republican would win by 20 points and instead won by 5 points, that's not nothing. I don't know the facts. Would demographics/historical results imply a 5 point race? This could be a worrying sign for the republicans even though it is a "win".
That's a strange way to look at this. Trump only won the district by 1.5% in November. Ossoff had ALL of the money (from outside sources). He outspent Handel by something like 6:1 in the most expensive race in history. All of the polls showed him leading prior to the race. He was expected to win here. If he wasn't expected to win, the media would not have hyped the race and the outside rich donors would not have sunk all those millions into his candidacy.

EDT: On top off all of that, Handel was not a great candidate IMO. Not much charisma or personality. And all the enthusiasm is supposedly with the Democrats.
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Yep.

1. Out spent 7:1.
2. Handel was and is a pretty weak politician with multiple failed bids.
3. Both the last Congressional election and the presidential election went to the R with a smaller margin. I think Obama may have even won it?
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UpstateSCHokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:night, the dems continue their losing tradition in the house and senate, way to go SC and GA

If the expectation given the demographics/etc. is that the republican would win by 20 points and instead won by 5 points, that's not nothing. I don't know the facts. Would demographics/historical results imply a 5 point race? This could be a worrying sign for the republicans even though it is a "win".
That's a strange way to look at this. Trump only won the district by 1.5% in November. Ossoff had ALL of the money (from outside sources). He outspent Handel by something like 6:1 in the most expensive race in history. All of the polls showed him leading prior to the race. He was expected to win here. If he wasn't expected to win, the media would not have hyped the race and the outside rich donors would not have sunk all those millions into his candidacy.

EDT: On top off all of that, Handel was not a great candidate IMO. Not much charisma or personality. And all the enthusiasm is supposedly with the Democrats.
Thanks. Those would be some facts that I didn't know. The 6:1 ratio is impressive (how does that compare to Clinton/Trump?). Again, I think the projections by demographic and other known election factors would be an interesting comparison. We already know that Trump isn't well liked in a lot of districts, even in those he carried.

Further, I don't think it is a good idea to just look at how much the incumbent won by in the last election.
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USN_Hokie wrote:Yep.

1. Out spent 7:1.
2. Handel was and is a pretty weak politician with multiple failed bids.
3. Both the last Congressional election and the presidential election went to the R with a smaller margin. I think Obama may have even won it?
Would seem like a positive sign for the pubs then.
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TheH2 wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:night, the dems continue their losing tradition in the house and senate, way to go SC and GA

If the expectation given the demographics/etc. is that the republican would win by 20 points and instead won by 5 points, that's not nothing. I don't know the facts. Would demographics/historical results imply a 5 point race? This could be a worrying sign for the republicans even though it is a "win".
You're misreading the historical data.

A 20 point win might be expected for an incumbent with a token democrat opponent with little or no party support as has been the case in the past. This time there was no incumbent and the local, state and national democrats put their all into these two elections. It's not surprising that those two factors resulted in the elections being close. But only close.

Regardless, the democrats hung their hats on winning these, particularly GA, and when they didn't they spun a counter tale.
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133743Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:night, the dems continue their losing tradition in the house and senate, way to go SC and GA

If the expectation given the demographics/etc. is that the republican would win by 20 points and instead won by 5 points, that's not nothing. I don't know the facts. Would demographics/historical results imply a 5 point race? This could be a worrying sign for the republicans even though it is a "win".
You're misreading the historical data.

A 20 point win might be expected for an incumbent with a token democrat opponent with little or no party support as has been the case in the past. This time there was no incumbent and the local, state and national democrats put their all into these two elections. It's not surprising that those two factors resulted in the elections being close. But only close.

Regardless, the democrats hung their hats on winning these, particularly GA, and when they didn't they spun a counter tale.
I had no clue what the historical data was and agree that looking at an incumbent election isn't the best baseline.
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133743Hokie wrote:Of course the democrat line this morning is that the Georgia 6th District was always a republican stronghold and it was always a long shot that they would win there. The election wasn't a referendum on Trump because the GA 6th wasn't a strong Trump outpost to start with - they're independent conservatives. Blah, blah, blah.

Amazing how the story can swing 180 degrees in 24 hours!
Of course. The Ministry of Truth must do its job of bringing the story back in line.
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USN_Hokie wrote:Yep.

1. Out spent 7:1.
2. Handel was and is a pretty weak politician with multiple failed bids.
3. Both the last Congressional election and the presidential election went to the R with a smaller margin. I think Obama may have even won it?
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TheH2 wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:night, the dems continue their losing tradition in the house and senate, way to go SC and GA

If the expectation given the demographics/etc. is that the republican would win by 20 points and instead won by 5 points, that's not nothing. I don't know the facts. Would demographics/historical results imply a 5 point race? This could be a worrying sign for the republicans even though it is a "win".
That's a strange way to look at this. Trump only won the district by 1.5% in November. Ossoff had ALL of the money (from outside sources). He outspent Handel by something like 6:1 in the most expensive race in history. All of the polls showed him leading prior to the race. He was expected to win here. If he wasn't expected to win, the media would not have hyped the race and the outside rich donors would not have sunk all those millions into his candidacy.

EDT: On top off all of that, Handel was not a great candidate IMO. Not much charisma or personality. And all the enthusiasm is supposedly with the Democrats.
Thanks. Those would be some facts that I didn't know. The 6:1 ratio is impressive (how does that compare to Clinton/Trump?). Again, I think the projections by demographic and other known election factors would be an interesting comparison. We already know that Trump isn't well liked in a lot of districts, even in those he carried.

Further, I don't think it is a good idea to just look at how much the incumbent won by in the last election.
The 6:1 number is just the number raised by that actual candidates. When you add in dollars spent by outside groups (PACs, super PACs), Ossoff had $30M in backing, and Handel had $23M.

Either way, it was the Dems who decided to start the spending spree, and they lost. I think in future elections like this, the source of campaign funding (the 6:1 part) will be meaningful. When constituents see tons of dollars pouring in from NY and CA, it's going to make them go out and vote for the true local candidate. Seems like the Dems made a big new strategy move, and lost.
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