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election.

And according to the leftist yahoo yahoos, a big win for the democrat signals a tsunami of anti trump feelings.

No, in my case at least, it signals dissatisfaction with NON TRUMP ideology from the latest weakling from the GOP establishment.

This idiot could have made an issue of the illegal immigrant who killed the muzzgirl. He chose to pay respects to the Muslims. Nothing wrong with that, but did he do it for ANY OTHER victim of road rage?

His position on black lies matter is disgusting.

Things change, but as of today, i'm either voting for a third party or staying home.

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Gillespie is a distant cousin...he's got my vote. :)










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oaktonhokie wrote:election.

And according to the leftist yahoo yahoos, a big win for the democrat signals a tsunami of anti trump feelings.

No, in my case at least, it signals dissatisfaction with NON TRUMP ideology from the latest weakling from the GOP establishment.

This idiot could have made an issue of the illegal immigrant who killed the muzzgirl. He chose to pay respects to the Muslims. Nothing wrong with that, but did he do it for ANY OTHER victim of road rage?

His position on black lies matter is disgusting.

Things change, but as of today, i'm either voting for a third party or staying home.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/defend-trump ... 21417.html
Perhaps this will help change your mind....

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And now comes Barack Obama. The former president, shredding what was left of his promise not to interfere with his successor, is joining the fight against the repeal of ObamaCare. He called the Senate bill an example of “meanness,” and pledged to campaign for the Democrat in the Virginia governor’s race.
http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/obamas-lib ... ald-trump/
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I would vote for Eddie if I were still living in VA. Not a great choice, but you gotta make do with the best candidate available.


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Obama is scum. Don't know much about the D candidate for gov, but i assume he's a scummy socialist as well.

I just cannot abide voting for spineless pseudo conservatives who will pretend to be conservatives in the campaign and govern like a democrat in richmond. Or washington.

My mind is open barely, and my decision is not final, yet. But if he election were today, i will not support the party of weaklings and hypocrites again.

Trump gave us a fighting chance against the socialists. And i say that as someone who was not initially a trump guy. The republican party is garbage, at the top anyway. Paul ryan, mitch mcconnel and the like. I am through with "more of the same" from them.

Sorry.


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oaktonhokie wrote:election.

And according to the leftist yahoo yahoos, a big win for the democrat signals a tsunami of anti trump feelings.

No, in my case at least, it signals dissatisfaction with NON TRUMP ideology from the latest weakling from the GOP establishment.

This idiot could have made an issue of the illegal immigrant who killed the muzzgirl. He chose to pay respects to the Muslims. Nothing wrong with that, but did he do it for ANY OTHER victim of road rage?

His position on black lies matter is disgusting.

Things change, but as of today, i'm either voting for a third party or staying home.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/defend-trump ... 21417.html
Perhaps this will help change your mind....

=========================
And now comes Barack Obama. The former president, shredding what was left of his promise not to interfere with his successor, is joining the fight against the repeal of ObamaCare. He called the Senate bill an example of “meanness,” and pledged to campaign for the Democrat in the Virginia governor’s race.
http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/obamas-lib ... ald-trump/
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Admittedly, my position on this has changed markedly in the past four years or so. I ALWAYS voted for the R. Bob dole, john mccain and worthless other rinos.

But those votes tell republican leaders that what they are doing is fine with me. That i will be a reliable vote against socialists no matter who the republicans run. My message to the republican party is that they must change to get my vote. They think i'm a reliable R, or at least anti D.

No more.

The republican party is rotting. And while there are many excellent people in the party, i will not support liars, hypocrites and weaklings, just because they are not officially democrats.

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Because he's a relative, or because he's good? If he were not a relative, would you vote for him?

Major Kong wrote:Gillespie is a distant cousin...he's got my vote. :)










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It's going to be amusing to watch The Usuals lecture oak and call him a Democrat for the next several months.


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So...are open primaries to blame for shirty R candidates?
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Dunno.

Open primaries are a really stupid idea. It is a vestige of bygone days when everyone was a proud american and everyone wanted what was best for the state and the nation. No more. Rs are Rs and Ds are Ds and never the twain shall meet. Or at least rarely.

My wife is an ex prez of the R party in mont county. I told her years ago that allowing Ds to vote in our primary is like allowing mexicans to vote for our president. But it's a state thing.

Running people like gillespie is in my opinion, the establishment having its way with us. Again.

It is why i am no longer a republican.

Until we clean up our own mess, we cannot hope to improve the state, or the nation.

USN_Hokie wrote:So...are open primaries to blame for shirty R candidates?
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oaktonhokie wrote:Obama is scum. Don't know much about the D candidate for gov, but i assume he's a scummy socialist as well.

I just cannot abide voting for spineless pseudo conservatives who will pretend to be conservatives in the campaign and govern like a democrat in richmond. Or washington.

My mind is open barely, and my decision is not final, yet. But if he election were today, i will not support the party of weaklings and hypocrites again.

Trump gave us a fighting chance against the socialists. And i say that as someone who was not initially a trump guy. The republican party is garbage, at the top anyway. Paul ryan, mitch mcconnel and the like. I am through with "more of the same" from them.

Sorry.


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oaktonhokie wrote:election.

And according to the leftist yahoo yahoos, a big win for the democrat signals a tsunami of anti trump feelings.

No, in my case at least, it signals dissatisfaction with NON TRUMP ideology from the latest weakling from the GOP establishment.

This idiot could have made an issue of the illegal immigrant who killed the muzzgirl. He chose to pay respects to the Muslims. Nothing wrong with that, but did he do it for ANY OTHER victim of road rage?

His position on black lies matter is disgusting.

Things change, but as of today, i'm either voting for a third party or staying home.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/defend-trump ... 21417.html
Perhaps this will help change your mind....

=========================
And now comes Barack Obama. The former president, shredding what was left of his promise not to interfere with his successor, is joining the fight against the repeal of ObamaCare. He called the Senate bill an example of “meanness,” and pledged to campaign for the Democrat in the Virginia governor’s race.
http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/obamas-lib ... ald-trump/
I hear ya. The last couple of races where Graham was on the ticket in a general election, I did not vote in his race. I went to the polls and voted for all the other races, but simply did not vote for anyone in his Senate race. Of course there was never any doubt that he was going to win so its a bit of a different dynamic. In the Va race, the Democrat has a good chance at winning. The question you need to ask yourself is; do you want to just sit by as Va becomes bluer & bluer?
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So um, your principled abstinence in the SC senate race was ok since graham was going to win anyway. Is that right? ;)

I have said this in the past and mean it today. If fat hillary and john kasich were running for president and it was exactly tied and my vote for kasich would give him the win and not voting would elect fat hillary, i would not vote.

I am sick and tired of supporting the party that is aiding and abetting the socialists for their own re election and committee assignments. Screw them. I have said the R party must be shaken up or shaken apart. Either one is fine with me.

We have a chance with trump. And we have a chance because he is not GOPe. He's an outsider. May not even be a republican. Fine.

Keeping the R party on life support and allowing them to keep the pretense of conservatism is a short term plan with long term ruin, in my opinion. Let them hit bottom and then we can rebuild.

I cannot imagine ever voting for a democrat. But i am through supporting liars, hypocrites and weaklings because they pretend to be conservatives.


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oaktonhokie wrote:Obama is scum. Don't know much about the D candidate for gov, but i assume he's a scummy socialist as well.

I just cannot abide voting for spineless pseudo conservatives who will pretend to be conservatives in the campaign and govern like a democrat in richmond. Or washington.

My mind is open barely, and my decision is not final, yet. But if he election were today, i will not support the party of weaklings and hypocrites again.

Trump gave us a fighting chance against the socialists. And i say that as someone who was not initially a trump guy. The republican party is garbage, at the top anyway. Paul ryan, mitch mcconnel and the like. I am through with "more of the same" from them.

Sorry.


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oaktonhokie wrote:election.

And according to the leftist yahoo yahoos, a big win for the democrat signals a tsunami of anti trump feelings.

No, in my case at least, it signals dissatisfaction with NON TRUMP ideology from the latest weakling from the GOP establishment.

This idiot could have made an issue of the illegal immigrant who killed the muzzgirl. He chose to pay respects to the Muslims. Nothing wrong with that, but did he do it for ANY OTHER victim of road rage?

His position on black lies matter is disgusting.

Things change, but as of today, i'm either voting for a third party or staying home.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/defend-trump ... 21417.html
Perhaps this will help change your mind....

=========================
And now comes Barack Obama. The former president, shredding what was left of his promise not to interfere with his successor, is joining the fight against the repeal of ObamaCare. He called the Senate bill an example of “meanness,” and pledged to campaign for the Democrat in the Virginia governor’s race.
http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/obamas-lib ... ald-trump/
I hear ya. The last couple of races where Graham was on the ticket in a general election, I did not vote in his race. I went to the polls and voted for all the other races, but simply did not vote for anyone in his Senate race. Of course there was never any doubt that he was going to win so its a bit of a different dynamic. In the Va race, the Democrat has a good chance at winning. The question you need to ask yourself is; do you want to just sit by as Va becomes bluer & bluer?
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USN_Hokie wrote:So...are open primaries to blame for shirty R candidates?
The last several elections have given us shitty republican candidates without a primary.

In general, I think the primary is a good thing and gives a more electable candidate. It does the state no good if the republicans put up unelectable candidates.
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The strategy for the idiots running the party is to be more like the socialists. Move to the left to have a chance to win.

Um....no.

The state and the nation want conservatives. But the alleged conservative party wants to be liked by the press more than they want to govern from the right. They care about their careers, not the lives and well being of their constituents. Screw them.

Term limits are one part of the answer.



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USN_Hokie wrote:So...are open primaries to blame for shirty R candidates?
The last several elections have given us shitty republican candidates without a primary.

In general, I think the primary is a good thing and gives a more electable candidate. It does the state no good if the republicans put up unelectable candidates.[/quote]
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oaktonhokie wrote:So um, your principled abstinence in the SC senate race was ok since graham was going to win anyway. Is that right? ;)
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that Virginia is in a more precarious situation than SC. My fear for Va is that the more they elect Democrat governors, the more these governors will do things like allow 60,000 ex-convicts to vote in order to make sure Va stays blue. The next Democrat might pull a California and make it legal for illegal aliens to vote.

I know Gillespie is not a great candidate, but if he loses, then all we're hear is how this is the whole nation rejecting Trump's agenda. Eventually the Democrats are going to win one of these off-year / special elections, and you know the narrative that follows. They were ready to do it in Georgia, and even though I don't think Handel was a great candidate, I was relieved she won.
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I respect your opinion, it used to be mine.

What do you call the people who have a drug abuser in the family and want him to stop...but they won't turn him in and keep giving him money for his habit?

How do we send a message to the career politicians in the R party that we won't take it any more? In my opinion, NOT BY continuing to support the john mccains of the world.

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oaktonhokie wrote:So um, your principled abstinence in the SC senate race was ok since graham was going to win anyway. Is that right? ;)
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that Virginia is in a more precarious situation than SC. My fear for Va is that the more they elect Democrat governors, the more these governors will do things like allow 60,000 ex-convicts to vote in order to make sure Va stays blue. The next Democrat might pull a California and make it legal for illegal aliens to vote.

I know Gillespie is not a great candidate, but if he loses, then all we're hear is how this is the whole nation rejecting Trump's agenda. Eventually the Democrats are going to win one of these off-year / special elections, and you know the narrative that follows. They were ready to do it in Georgia, and even though I don't think Handel was a great candidate, I was relieved she won.
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oaktonhokie wrote:I respect your opinion, it used to be mine.

What do you call the people who have a drug abuser in the family and want him to stop...but they won't turn him in and keep giving him money for his habit?

How do we send a message to the career politicians in the R party that we won't take it any more? In my opinion, NOT BY continuing to support the john mccains of the world.

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oaktonhokie wrote:So um, your principled abstinence in the SC senate race was ok since graham was going to win anyway. Is that right? ;)
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that Virginia is in a more precarious situation than SC. My fear for Va is that the more they elect Democrat governors, the more these governors will do things like allow 60,000 ex-convicts to vote in order to make sure Va stays blue. The next Democrat might pull a California and make it legal for illegal aliens to vote.

I know Gillespie is not a great candidate, but if he loses, then all we're hear is how this is the whole nation rejecting Trump's agenda. Eventually the Democrats are going to win one of these off-year / special elections, and you know the narrative that follows. They were ready to do it in Georgia, and even though I don't think Handel was a great candidate, I was relieved she won.
No I get it. You got to do what you feel is in the best interest of the party in the long run and I respect that. And to be honest, I'm not sure I'd vote for Graham even if I thought he'd lose to a Democrat. I want that guy gone one way or another.
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oaktonhokie wrote:Because he's a relative, or because he's good? If he were not a relative, would you vote for him?

Major Kong wrote:Gillespie is a distant cousin...he's got my vote. :)










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oaktonhokie wrote:Admittedly, my position on this has changed markedly in the past four years or so. I ALWAYS voted for the R. Bob dole, john mccain and worthless other rinos.

But those votes tell republican leaders that what they are doing is fine with me. That i will be a reliable vote against socialists no matter who the republicans run. My message to the republican party is that they must change to get my vote. They think i'm a reliable R, or at least anti D.

No more.

The republican party is rotting. And while there are many excellent people in the party, i will not support liars, hypocrites and weaklings, just because they are not officially democrats.

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Right there with ya. My refusal to vote for him is also a middle finger to the NeverTrumper style voters that have refused to support previous republicans over them not being corrupt enough, I mean moderate. I'm not standing with the cry babies.
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We should have nominated Corey Stewart and lost the general election by 40 points, probably costing us dearly in the House as well, as Republicans stay home and don't show up to vote for the down-ticket candidates.

No matter how bad the Republican brand is, we're not going to lose the House outright ... but right now, we are one seat away from a veto-proof majority in the House and it would be nice to not throw seats away with an unelectable candidate at the top of the ticket.

The reasons for not voting for Donald Trump are patently unrelated to the reasons for not voting for Ed Gillespie. There is little use in reiterating the countless things Trump has done or said that make him an objectionable candidate. Gillespie, on the other hand, is certainly better than McAwful's lackey.

Like it or not, we live in a purple state and we're not going to win with candidates who run a far-right campaign. (I don't really want to call Corey Stewart a far-right candidate because it seems that he is really more liberal once he gets into office - he's more of a "say whatever I have to say to get elected" candidate.)

Four years ago, if Bolling had been the nominee, he wins. (Of course, if Republicans don't vote for the fake "libertarian", and instead vote for Cuccinelli, that would have worked too.) There's no question that we would be better off right now if Bolling had been elected. Heck, we lost a congressional seat this year because McAwful vetoed every attempt to fix the district and so the courts redrew Congressman Forbes' district to make it into a safe democrat seat. If Bolling was our governor, then we still have Forbes in congress instead of some LWNJ hack who shouldn't be elected dogcatcher.
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BigDave wrote:We should have nominated Corey Stewart and lost the general election by 40 points, probably costing us dearly in the House as well, as Republicans stay home and don't show up to vote for the down-ticket candidates.

No matter how bad the Republican brand is, we're not going to lose the House outright ... but right now, we are one seat away from a veto-proof majority in the House and it would be nice to not throw seats away with an unelectable candidate at the top of the ticket.

The reasons for not voting for Donald Trump are patently unrelated to the reasons for not voting for Ed Gillespie. There is little use in reiterating the countless things Trump has done or said that make him an objectionable candidate. Gillespie, on the other hand, is certainly better than McAwful's lackey.

Like it or not, we live in a purple state and we're not going to win with candidates who run a far-right campaign. (I don't really want to call Corey Stewart a far-right candidate because it seems that he is really more liberal once he gets into office - he's more of a "say whatever I have to say to get elected" candidate.)

Four years ago, if Bolling had been the nominee, he wins. (Of course, if Republicans don't vote for the fake "libertarian", and instead vote for Cuccinelli, that would have worked too.) There's no question that we would be better off right now if Bolling had been elected. Heck, we lost a congressional seat this year because McAwful vetoed every attempt to fix the district and so the courts redrew Congressman Forbes' district to make it into a safe democrat seat. If Bolling was our governor, then we still have Forbes in congress instead of some LWNJ hack who shouldn't be elected dogcatcher.
Here's a thought - maybe Cuccinelli would have won if Bolling wasn't a petty backstabber who spent the rest of the election season trying to undermine Republicans?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vi ... 62d639a04b

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oaktonhokie wrote:So um, your principled abstinence in the SC senate race was ok since graham was going to win anyway. Is that right? ;)
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that Virginia is in a more precarious situation than SC. My fear for Va is that the more they elect Democrat governors, the more these governors will do things like allow 60,000 ex-convicts to vote in order to make sure Va stays blue. The next Democrat might pull a California and make it legal for illegal aliens to vote.

I know Gillespie is not a great candidate, but if he loses, then all we're hear is how this is the whole nation rejecting Trump's agenda. Eventually the Democrats are going to win one of these off-year / special elections, and you know the narrative that follows. They were ready to do it in Georgia, and even though I don't think Handel was a great candidate, I was relieved she won.
It's too late for Virginia. The come-here's from the northeast have overrun nova and, with the 47% on the government dole in Richmond and the beach area, its a done deal that Virginia is going to be blue.
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oaktonhokie wrote:So um, your principled abstinence in the SC senate race was ok since graham was going to win anyway. Is that right? ;)
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that Virginia is in a more precarious situation than SC. My fear for Va is that the more they elect Democrat governors, the more these governors will do things like allow 60,000 ex-convicts to vote in order to make sure Va stays blue. The next Democrat might pull a California and make it legal for illegal aliens to vote.

I know Gillespie is not a great candidate, but if he loses, then all we're hear is how this is the whole nation rejecting Trump's agenda. Eventually the Democrats are going to win one of these off-year / special elections, and you know the narrative that follows. They were ready to do it in Georgia, and even though I don't think Handel was a great candidate, I was relieved she won.
It's too late for Virginia. The come-here's from the northeast have overrun nova and, with the 47% on the government dole in Richmond and the beach area, its a done deal that Virginia is going to be blue.
Hate to admit it, but this is true. Unless Trump can significantly decrease the size of Washington and reduce entitlements, VA is the next blue state.
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BigDave wrote:We should have nominated Corey Stewart and lost the general election by 40 points, probably costing us dearly in the House as well, as Republicans stay home and don't show up to vote for the down-ticket candidates.

No matter how bad the Republican brand is, we're not going to lose the House outright ... but right now, we are one seat away from a veto-proof majority in the House and it would be nice to not throw seats away with an unelectable candidate at the top of the ticket.

The reasons for not voting for Donald Trump are patently unrelated to the reasons for not voting for Ed Gillespie. There is little use in reiterating the countless things Trump has done or said that make him an objectionable candidate. Gillespie, on the other hand, is certainly better than McAwful's lackey.

Like it or not, we live in a purple state and we're not going to win with candidates who run a far-right campaign. (I don't really want to call Corey Stewart a far-right candidate because it seems that he is really more liberal once he gets into office - he's more of a "say whatever I have to say to get elected" candidate.)

Four years ago, if Bolling had been the nominee, he wins. (Of course, if Republicans don't vote for the fake "libertarian", and instead vote for Cuccinelli, that would have worked too.) There's no question that we would be better off right now if Bolling had been elected. Heck, we lost a congressional seat this year because McAwful vetoed every attempt to fix the district and so the courts redrew Congressman Forbes' district to make it into a safe democrat seat. If Bolling was our governor, then we still have Forbes in congress instead of some LWNJ hack who shouldn't be elected dogcatcher.

President Hillary Clinton agrees.
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awesome guy wrote:President Hillary Clinton agrees.
Hillary Clinton is a criminal who should be in prison. Ralph Northam is not.
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