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The Pubs are in a difficult spot re: health care

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On the one hand, they've hitched their trailer to "repeal Obamacare". However, they're showing a peculiar incapability of finding an alternative that Americans would accept.

CBO assessment of current version shows 22M losing insurance.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/us/p ... lican.html
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That's 22m uninsured, not 22m losing insurance. You don't lose something you give up.

Also, those numbers are projected figures in comparison to Obamacare in 2024, not in comparison to today. Haven't read the CBO report yet but Dems are comparing apples to oranges.
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VisorBoy wrote:On the one hand, they've hitched their trailer to "repeal Obamacare". However, they're showing a peculiar incapability of finding an alternative that Americans would accept.

CBO assessment of current version shows 22M losing insurance.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/us/p ... lican.html
you are correct, stop all this and just let obummercare implode. THE FACT is there are like 47 counties and several states in the country that there are ZERO carriers in the individual market. So how do people that need individual coverage get it there. Why are there no carriers, because the insurance companies have lost a ton of money on the individual market and refuse to offer coverage. So sorry but the experts are right and obummer care is in a death spiral so let it crash completely.

The other item that is nuts is the CBO assessed that Obummercare would be great, lower costs, total insurance participation and nobody losing coverage..... all those predictions were 100% WRONG but now we need to take their guesses as exactly right?? HUH????

But Trump is correct, fix one part and piss off another part so yes we will be in single payer and everyone can suffer.... medicare or VA care for all, should be fun.
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Several comments on your post.

First, you are correct that they are having trouble finding something the public will accept. If the ACA had been repealed as recently as 3 years ago (2014), or the SCOTUS had not played verbal gymnastics, then the public would not be addicted to a subsidized insurance program. And by the public I essentially mean those on the low economic end of the spectrum.

The democrats knew they were initiating a flawed program in the ACA. They knew the projections they made were all false -- essentially lies, and have admitted as much. But it didn't matter because they also knew that once a benefit is given it can't be taken away. So they sacrificed a workable model for 90% of the country to provide a benefit to 5% (there is still 5% of the population without coverage).

All of the money spent on the ACA, all of the additional money spent by the 90% on plans that aren't as good as what they previously had, could have funded an expansion of Medicaid, CHIP, etc for the 10% and resulted in better overall coverage for the great majority. But that wouldn't have satisfied the democrats lust to move the country to socialized, single payer health insurance.

If the republicans had any backbone they would put forth a single sentence bill that repeals in total the ACA effective January 1, 2019, and returns us to where we were in 2010 before the ACA was passed. They would then say they are going to pass true health insurance reform by early 2018 that actually addresses the issues and concerns thru a marketplace based solution -- tort reform, decoupling of insurance/portability, sales across state lines, equal tax treatment, HSAs, pre-existing conditions, etc.

http://2017project.org/site/wp-content/ ... mmary1.pdf
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USN_Hokie wrote:That's 22m uninsured, not 22m losing insurance. You don't lose something you give up.

Also, those numbers are projected figures in comparison to Obamacare in 2024, not in comparison to today. Haven't read the CBO report yet but Dems are comparing apples to oranges.
And as I recall, of that 22 million 15 million currently don't have insurance under the ACA (due to the ACA not meeting its goals)
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133743Hokie wrote:Several comments on your post.

First, you are correct that they are having trouble finding something the public will accept. If the ACA had been repealed as recently as 3 years ago (2014), or the SCOTUS had not played verbal gymnastics, then the public would not be addicted to a subsidized insurance program. And by the public I essentially mean those on the low economic end of the spectrum.

The democrats knew they were initiating a flawed program in the ACA. They knew the projections they made were all false -- essentially lies, and have admitted as much. But it didn't matter because they also knew that once a benefit is given it can't be taken away. So they sacrificed a workable model for 90% of the country to provide a benefit to 5% (there is still 5% of the population without coverage).

All of the money spent on the ACA, all of the additional money spent by the 90% on plans that aren't as good as what they previously had, could have funded an expansion of Medicaid, CHIP, etc for the 10% and resulted in better overall coverage for the great majority. But that wouldn't have satisfied the democrats lust to move the country to socialized, single payer health insurance.

If the republicans had any backbone they would put forth a single sentence bill that repeals in total the ACA effective January 1, 2019, and returns us to where we were in 2010 before the ACA was passed. They would then say they are going to pass true health insurance reform by early 2018 that actually addresses the issues and concerns thru a marketplace based solution -- tort reform, decoupling of insurance/portability, sales across state lines, equal tax treatment, HSAs, pre-existing conditions, etc.

http://2017project.org/site/wp-content/ ... mmary1.pdf
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133743Hokie wrote:
If the republicans had any backbone they would put forth a single sentence bill that repeals in total the ACA effective January 1, 2019, and returns us to where we were in 2010 before the ACA was passed. They would then say they are going to pass true health insurance reform by early 2018 that actually addresses the issues and concerns thru a marketplace based solution -- tort reform, decoupling of insurance/portability, sales across state lines, equal tax treatment, HSAs, pre-existing conditions, etc.
But outside of Rand Paul, does the GOP even WANT to do those things?
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FireFuente wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
If the republicans had any backbone they would put forth a single sentence bill that repeals in total the ACA effective January 1, 2019, and returns us to where we were in 2010 before the ACA was passed. They would then say they are going to pass true health insurance reform by early 2018 that actually addresses the issues and concerns thru a marketplace based solution -- tort reform, decoupling of insurance/portability, sales across state lines, equal tax treatment, HSAs, pre-existing conditions, etc.
But outside of Rand Paul, does the GOP even WANT to do those things?
nope, thus why just let it fail completely
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FireFuente wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
If the republicans had any backbone they would put forth a single sentence bill that repeals in total the ACA effective January 1, 2019, and returns us to where we were in 2010 before the ACA was passed. They would then say they are going to pass true health insurance reform by early 2018 that actually addresses the issues and concerns thru a marketplace based solution -- tort reform, decoupling of insurance/portability, sales across state lines, equal tax treatment, HSAs, pre-existing conditions, etc.
But outside of Rand Paul, does the GOP even WANT to do those things?
No, because they know that the increasing number of people on the public teat will vote them out of office.
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133743Hokie wrote:
FireFuente wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
If the republicans had any backbone they would put forth a single sentence bill that repeals in total the ACA effective January 1, 2019, and returns us to where we were in 2010 before the ACA was passed. They would then say they are going to pass true health insurance reform by early 2018 that actually addresses the issues and concerns thru a marketplace based solution -- tort reform, decoupling of insurance/portability, sales across state lines, equal tax treatment, HSAs, pre-existing conditions, etc.
But outside of Rand Paul, does the GOP even WANT to do those things?
No, because they know that the increasing number of people on the public teat will vote them out of office.
It's not just them.
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133743Hokie wrote:
FireFuente wrote:
But outside of Rand Paul, does the GOP even WANT to do those things?
No, because they know that the increasing number of people on the public teat will vote them out of office.
It's not just them.
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VisorBoy wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
FireFuente wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
If the republicans had any backbone they would put forth a single sentence bill that repeals in total the ACA effective January 1, 2019, and returns us to where we were in 2010 before the ACA was passed. They would then say they are going to pass true health insurance reform by early 2018 that actually addresses the issues and concerns thru a marketplace based solution -- tort reform, decoupling of insurance/portability, sales across state lines, equal tax treatment, HSAs, pre-existing conditions, etc.
But outside of Rand Paul, does the GOP even WANT to do those things?
No, because they know that the increasing number of people on the public teat will vote them out of office.
It's not just them.
Yes, it is predominantly them.
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