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It's sad that college graduates can't comprehend that they're trying to bring that type of state run death panel here to America. Get the treatment while you can Charlie, the brain dead here want our government to choose your death too.
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the problem I have is from what I have read this is not curable, so take the emotion out all anybody is doing is just prolonging the kids death. I thought the whole argument for the parents was being able to take the kid home do die at home, I support that 100%awesome guy wrote:It's sad that college graduates can't comprehend that they're trying to bring that type of state run death panel here to America. Get the treatment while you can Charlie, the brain dead here want our government to choose your death too.
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The argument is the parents getting to decide what action occurs, period. Whether it is taking him home to die, getting another opinion from US, whatever. It's their choice.cwtcr hokie wrote:the problem I have is from what I have read this is not curable, so take the emotion out all anybody is doing is just prolonging the kids death. I thought the whole argument for the parents was being able to take the kid home do die at home, I support that 100%awesome guy wrote:It's sad that college graduates can't comprehend that they're trying to bring that type of state run death panel here to America. Get the treatment while you can Charlie, the brain dead here want our government to choose your death too.
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Yep. Their decision133743Hokie wrote:The argument is the parents getting to decide what action occurs, period. Whether it is taking him home to die, getting another opinion from US, whatever. It's their choice.cwtcr hokie wrote:the problem I have is from what I have read this is not curable, so take the emotion out all anybody is doing is just prolonging the kids death. I thought the whole argument for the parents was being able to take the kid home do die at home, I support that 100%awesome guy wrote:It's sad that college graduates can't comprehend that they're trying to bring that type of state run death panel here to America. Get the treatment while you can Charlie, the brain dead here want our government to choose your death too.
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As I said I agree with that 100%, but it all goes back to when do you stop trying to save someone that is not able to be saved? Its a question alot of us face with our families, I mean I have the living will thing that says if there is no possibility of cure that I be allowed to die, its a financial decision and a realist decision and it is one of the problems in our health care debate. But yes the parents should be allowed to take their kid off life support.133743Hokie wrote:The argument is the parents getting to decide what action occurs, period. Whether it is taking him home to die, getting another opinion from US, whatever. It's their choice.cwtcr hokie wrote:the problem I have is from what I have read this is not curable, so take the emotion out all anybody is doing is just prolonging the kids death. I thought the whole argument for the parents was being able to take the kid home do die at home, I support that 100%awesome guy wrote:It's sad that college graduates can't comprehend that they're trying to bring that type of state run death panel here to America. Get the treatment while you can Charlie, the brain dead here want our government to choose your death too.
The sticky wicket is when there is a possibility of a cure and the parents will not let it be done.
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The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
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Major Kong wrote:The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
healthcare is a minefield of issues
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The parents and charity will pay. What's the problem?cwtcr hokie wrote:Major Kong wrote:The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
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in this particular case they did a go fund me thing and have the cash, I was addressing Kong's the gov. should not be in the decision but as we all know who is paying matters and we deal with it daily on what insurance will or won't pay for, 99% of us don't have the funds to self fund tho. I agree it is an argument against single payer as the gov is then the payer (as it is now with vet care and medicare/medicaid) but was just pointing some issues this discussion brings up.awesome guy wrote:The parents and charity will pay. What's the problem?cwtcr hokie wrote:Major Kong wrote:The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
healthcare is a minefield of issues
As i said, there is nothing easy or simple in health care
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Drain on the overall system. And this is not the typical situation.awesome guy wrote:The parents and charity will pay. What's the problem?cwtcr hokie wrote:Major Kong wrote:The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
healthcare is a minefield of issues
"Death panels" already exist, have always existed, and will always exist.
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Nope, it's a creation of single payer.ip_law-hokie wrote:Drain on the overall system. And this is not the typical situation.awesome guy wrote:The parents and charity will pay. What's the problem?cwtcr hokie wrote:Major Kong wrote:The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
healthcare is a minefield of issues
"Death panels" already exist, have always existed, and will always exist.
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Re: Charlie Gard just became a US citizen.
Ability to pay isn't considered by a hospital before doing a necessary procedure. The distinction is meaningless.cwtcr hokie wrote:in this particular case they did a go fund me thing and have the cash, I was addressing Kong's the gov. should not be in the decision but as we all know who is paying matters and we deal with it daily on what insurance will or won't pay for, 99% of us don't have the funds to self fund tho. I agree it is an argument against single payer as the gov is then the payer (as it is now with vet care and medicare/medicaid) but was just pointing some issues this discussion brings up.awesome guy wrote:The parents and charity will pay. What's the problem?cwtcr hokie wrote:Major Kong wrote:The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
healthcare is a minefield of issues
As i said, there is nothing easy or simple in health care
The family might have to choose whether they want to be indebted for the next 30yrs paying for grandpa to live two more months, but it is their choice. In the UK, there is no choice. When the cost to fix you exceeds your worth to the government (not your family) you're written off.
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Link please.ip_law-hokie wrote: "Death panels" already exist, have always existed, and will always exist.
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Thats not true though, insurance companies have refused to pay for life extending treatments for a long time.awesome guy wrote:Nope, it's a creation of single payer.ip_law-hokie wrote:Drain on the overall system. And this is not the typical situation.awesome guy wrote:The parents and charity will pay. What's the problem?cwtcr hokie wrote:Major Kong wrote:The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
healthcare is a minefield of issues
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Thats not true either, yes they have to provide emergency treatment but no they do not have to provide a surgery or specific procedure if there is no way to pay for it. It happens all the time though, this is nothing new. A person can sign a piece of paper to promise to pay and be driven into bankruptcy eventually though.USN_Hokie wrote:Ability to pay isn't considered by a hospital before doing a necessary procedure. The distinction is meaningless.cwtcr hokie wrote:in this particular case they did a go fund me thing and have the cash, I was addressing Kong's the gov. should not be in the decision but as we all know who is paying matters and we deal with it daily on what insurance will or won't pay for, 99% of us don't have the funds to self fund tho. I agree it is an argument against single payer as the gov is then the payer (as it is now with vet care and medicare/medicaid) but was just pointing some issues this discussion brings up.awesome guy wrote:The parents and charity will pay. What's the problem?cwtcr hokie wrote:Major Kong wrote:The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
healthcare is a minefield of issues
As i said, there is nothing easy or simple in health care
The family might have to choose whether they want to be indebted for the next 30yrs paying for grandpa to live two more months, but it is their choice. In the UK, there is no choice. When the cost to fix you exceeds your worth to the government (not your family) you're written off.
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People aren't turned away.cwtcr hokie wrote:Thats not true either, yes they have to provide emergency treatment but no they do not have to provide a surgery or specific procedure if there is no way to pay for it. It happens all the time though, this is nothing new. A person can sign a piece of paper to promise to pay and be driven into bankruptcy eventually though.USN_Hokie wrote:Ability to pay isn't considered by a hospital before doing a necessary procedure. The distinction is meaningless.cwtcr hokie wrote:in this particular case they did a go fund me thing and have the cash, I was addressing Kong's the gov. should not be in the decision but as we all know who is paying matters and we deal with it daily on what insurance will or won't pay for, 99% of us don't have the funds to self fund tho. I agree it is an argument against single payer as the gov is then the payer (as it is now with vet care and medicare/medicaid) but was just pointing some issues this discussion brings up.awesome guy wrote:The parents and charity will pay. What's the problem?cwtcr hokie wrote:Major Kong wrote:The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
healthcare is a minefield of issues
As i said, there is nothing easy or simple in health care
The family might have to choose whether they want to be indebted for the next 30yrs paying for grandpa to live two more months, but it is their choice. In the UK, there is no choice. When the cost to fix you exceeds your worth to the government (not your family) you're written off.
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That's not a death panel, that's a "We're not paying" panel. These are 1 and the same in single payer.cwtcr hokie wrote:Thats not true though, insurance companies have refused to pay for life extending treatments for a long time.awesome guy wrote:Nope, it's a creation of single payer.ip_law-hokie wrote:Drain on the overall system. And this is not the typical situation.awesome guy wrote:The parents and charity will pay. What's the problem?cwtcr hokie wrote:Major Kong wrote:The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
healthcare is a minefield of issues
"Death panels" already exist, have always existed, and will always exist.
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Yep, that's their choice. The bureaucrats make that choice in single payer.cwtcr hokie wrote:Thats not true either, yes they have to provide emergency treatment but no they do not have to provide a surgery or specific procedure if there is no way to pay for it. It happens all the time though, this is nothing new. A person can sign a piece of paper to promise to pay and be driven into bankruptcy eventually though.USN_Hokie wrote:Ability to pay isn't considered by a hospital before doing a necessary procedure. The distinction is meaningless.cwtcr hokie wrote:in this particular case they did a go fund me thing and have the cash, I was addressing Kong's the gov. should not be in the decision but as we all know who is paying matters and we deal with it daily on what insurance will or won't pay for, 99% of us don't have the funds to self fund tho. I agree it is an argument against single payer as the gov is then the payer (as it is now with vet care and medicare/medicaid) but was just pointing some issues this discussion brings up.awesome guy wrote:The parents and charity will pay. What's the problem?cwtcr hokie wrote:Major Kong wrote:The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
healthcare is a minefield of issues
As i said, there is nothing easy or simple in health care
The family might have to choose whether they want to be indebted for the next 30yrs paying for grandpa to live two more months, but it is their choice. In the UK, there is no choice. When the cost to fix you exceeds your worth to the government (not your family) you're written off.
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Based upon previously agreed upon contracts between the insurer and the insured.cwtcr hokie wrote:Thats not true though, insurance companies have refused to pay for life extending treatments for a long time.awesome guy wrote:Nope, it's a creation of single payer.ip_law-hokie wrote:Drain on the overall system. And this is not the typical situation.awesome guy wrote:The parents and charity will pay. What's the problem?cwtcr hokie wrote:Major Kong wrote:The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
healthcare is a minefield of issues
"Death panels" already exist, have always existed, and will always exist.
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The "driven to bankruptcy" is a great talking point for the left, but is seldom an actual occurrence. It is such a small, small fraction of a percentage of the populace. It should not be a dominant factor in making healthcare/insurance law in the US. We can't deconstruct an entire industry for the many just to help a few.cwtcr hokie wrote:Thats not true either, yes they have to provide emergency treatment but no they do not have to provide a surgery or specific procedure if there is no way to pay for it. It happens all the time though, this is nothing new. A person can sign a piece of paper to promise to pay and be driven into bankruptcy eventually though.USN_Hokie wrote:Ability to pay isn't considered by a hospital before doing a necessary procedure. The distinction is meaningless.cwtcr hokie wrote:in this particular case they did a go fund me thing and have the cash, I was addressing Kong's the gov. should not be in the decision but as we all know who is paying matters and we deal with it daily on what insurance will or won't pay for, 99% of us don't have the funds to self fund tho. I agree it is an argument against single payer as the gov is then the payer (as it is now with vet care and medicare/medicaid) but was just pointing some issues this discussion brings up.awesome guy wrote:The parents and charity will pay. What's the problem?cwtcr hokie wrote:Major Kong wrote:The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
healthcare is a minefield of issues
As i said, there is nothing easy or simple in health care
The family might have to choose whether they want to be indebted for the next 30yrs paying for grandpa to live two more months, but it is their choice. In the UK, there is no choice. When the cost to fix you exceeds your worth to the government (not your family) you're written off.
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People aren't turned away.[/quote]cwtcr hokie wrote:Thats not true either, yes they have to provide emergency treatment but no they do not have to provide a surgery or specific procedure if there is no way to pay for it. It happens all the time though, this is nothing new. A person can sign a piece of paper to promise to pay and be driven into bankruptcy eventually though.USN_Hokie wrote:Ability to pay isn't considered by a hospital before doing a necessary procedure. The distinction is meaningless.cwtcr hokie wrote:in this particular case they did a go fund me thing and have the cash, I was addressing Kong's the gov. should not be in the decision but as we all know who is paying matters and we deal with it daily on what insurance will or won't pay for, 99% of us don't have the funds to self fund tho. I agree it is an argument against single payer as the gov is then the payer (as it is now with vet care and medicare/medicaid) but was just pointing some issues this discussion brings up.awesome guy wrote:The parents and charity will pay. What's the problem?cwtcr hokie wrote:Major Kong wrote:The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
healthcare is a minefield of issues
As i said, there is nothing easy or simple in health care
The family might have to choose whether they want to be indebted for the next 30yrs paying for grandpa to live two more months, but it is their choice. In the UK, there is no choice. When the cost to fix you exceeds your worth to the government (not your family) you're written off.
from the emergency room no, you are correct
different story once the patient leaves the emergency room.
I agree healthcare is a complicated mess
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The "driven to bankruptcy" is a great talking point for the left, but is seldom an actual occurrence. It is such a small, small fraction of a percentage of the populace. It should not be a dominant factor in making healthcare/insurance law in the US. We can't deconstruct an entire industry for the many just to help a few.[/quote]cwtcr hokie wrote:Thats not true either, yes they have to provide emergency treatment but no they do not have to provide a surgery or specific procedure if there is no way to pay for it. It happens all the time though, this is nothing new. A person can sign a piece of paper to promise to pay and be driven into bankruptcy eventually though.USN_Hokie wrote:Ability to pay isn't considered by a hospital before doing a necessary procedure. The distinction is meaningless.cwtcr hokie wrote:in this particular case they did a go fund me thing and have the cash, I was addressing Kong's the gov. should not be in the decision but as we all know who is paying matters and we deal with it daily on what insurance will or won't pay for, 99% of us don't have the funds to self fund tho. I agree it is an argument against single payer as the gov is then the payer (as it is now with vet care and medicare/medicaid) but was just pointing some issues this discussion brings up.awesome guy wrote:The parents and charity will pay. What's the problem?cwtcr hokie wrote:Major Kong wrote:The bottom line is the gubment has no damn business in "healthcare" decisions.
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
healthcare is a minefield of issues
As i said, there is nothing easy or simple in health care
The family might have to choose whether they want to be indebted for the next 30yrs paying for grandpa to live two more months, but it is their choice. In the UK, there is no choice. When the cost to fix you exceeds your worth to the government (not your family) you're written off.
I beleive medical bills are the leading factor in personal bankruptcy filings, that is what I have read in the past. A hospital or medical practice is the same as anyone else, they will pursue payment as far as they can, I don't blame them, they have bills to pay also
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I beleive medical bills are the leading factor in personal bankruptcy filings, that is what I have read in the past. A hospital or medical practice is the same as anyone else, they will pursue payment as far as they can, I don't blame them, they have bills to pay also[/quote]cwtcr hokie wrote:The "driven to bankruptcy" is a great talking point for the left, but is seldom an actual occurrence. It is such a small, small fraction of a percentage of the populace. It should not be a dominant factor in making healthcare/insurance law in the US. We can't deconstruct an entire industry for the many just to help a few.cwtcr hokie wrote:Thats not true either, yes they have to provide emergency treatment but no they do not have to provide a surgery or specific procedure if there is no way to pay for it. It happens all the time though, this is nothing new. A person can sign a piece of paper to promise to pay and be driven into bankruptcy eventually though.USN_Hokie wrote:Ability to pay isn't considered by a hospital before doing a necessary procedure. The distinction is meaningless.cwtcr hokie wrote:in this particular case they did a go fund me thing and have the cash, I was addressing Kong's the gov. should not be in the decision but as we all know who is paying matters and we deal with it daily on what insurance will or won't pay for, 99% of us don't have the funds to self fund tho. I agree it is an argument against single payer as the gov is then the payer (as it is now with vet care and medicare/medicaid) but was just pointing some issues this discussion brings up.awesome guy wrote:The parents and charity will pay. What's the problem?cwtcr hokie wrote:
Insurance companies do, who is paying? If it is funded from an outside source I agree 100% but don't we all deal with what insurance will pay for and what it won't pay for. I do agree that the parents should be able to make the decision in this particular case as they have outside funding and there is no cure for the kid. But should the gov. step in if there is a cure and the parents won't let it be done as some wierd religious people do?
healthcare is a minefield of issues
As i said, there is nothing easy or simple in health care
The family might have to choose whether they want to be indebted for the next 30yrs paying for grandpa to live two more months, but it is their choice. In the UK, there is no choice. When the cost to fix you exceeds your worth to the government (not your family) you're written off.
Medical expenses are definitely the leading cause of personal bankruptcy. And I'm pretty sure that number is at least 500k or more per year.
It's also true that most of those people have medical insurance, so it comes from people who have severe conditions and/or surgeries that aren't covered by insurance. As you said, the insurance companies don't cover these extreme circumstances, so it's up to the family to decide how they want to handle it. In the Gard case, they have decided to try to save him, and the gov. won't let him. That's pretty appalling IMO.
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I beleive medical bills are the leading factor in personal bankruptcy filings, that is what I have read in the past. A hospital or medical practice is the same as anyone else, they will pursue payment as far as they can, I don't blame them, they have bills to pay also[/quote]
Medical expenses are definitely the leading cause of personal bankruptcy. And I'm pretty sure that number is at least 500k or more per year.
It's also true that most of those people have medical insurance, so it comes from people who have severe conditions and/or surgeries that aren't covered by insurance. As you said, the insurance companies don't cover these extreme circumstances, so it's up to the family to decide how they want to handle it. In the Gard case, they have decided to try to save him, and the gov. won't let him. That's pretty appalling IMO.[/quote]
I agree with you on the UK deal, handled very badly.
Medical expenses are definitely the leading cause of personal bankruptcy. And I'm pretty sure that number is at least 500k or more per year.
It's also true that most of those people have medical insurance, so it comes from people who have severe conditions and/or surgeries that aren't covered by insurance. As you said, the insurance companies don't cover these extreme circumstances, so it's up to the family to decide how they want to handle it. In the Gard case, they have decided to try to save him, and the gov. won't let him. That's pretty appalling IMO.[/quote]
I agree with you on the UK deal, handled very badly.