How does the current situation *not* escalate?

[USN_Hokie]

When this is considered a "wink and a nod" to nazis:



...is there any room for things to de-escalate? Let's follow the logic:

#1. A poster here has stated that violence against "nazis" is allowable. (see: thread on Richard Spencer)

#2. This same poster has characterized Trump supporters as "brown shirts". It was originally using "alt-right as a shell game to get there, but the bloom is off that rose and the predictable Nazi calls have begun.

Ergo, he supports violence against Trump supporters.

Is he representative of the average democrat? No. But, I think he's representative of a sizable portion (double digits) of folks out there. Like him, they'll remain docile so long as they have something bigger to fight for (govt job, pension, social security). When you look at antifa, domestic terrorists, or 20yo kids who decide its a good idea to run over people, the deadly combination is always toxic ideology plus no greater purpose (ie, failures at life).

What happens when entitlements are threatened? What happens when the next big recession / credit bubble hits?

I see this whole situation as a powder keg.

[awesome guy]

We're dealing with nothing more than spoiled brats and morons. They're bastards, weak people raised by only women who can't handle being wrong or even engaging with their political foes. So they use brain dead language and tactics like you're calling out to demonize and disengage as they get their stupidi asses kicked in honest debates. They're trash and there's no way to reason with them as they're dumb, ignorant, and raised to think like women.

[UpstateSCHokie]

We're dealing with nothing more than spoiled brats and morons. They're bastards, weak people raised by only women who can't handle being wrong or even engaging with their political foes. So they use brain dead language and tactics like you're calling out to demonize and disengage as they get their stupidi asses kicked in honest debates. They're trash and there's no way to reason with them as they're dumb, ignorant, and raised to think like women.

Yep, these are the same people that need "safe spaces" to hide from ideas that are different from their own. They are the very embodiment of intolerance. They are the people that will lead the fight to end the 1A. The only people that will be allowed freedom of speech are people that agree with them. You already see many of the people on the alt-left saying that there is some speech and ideas that should suppressed if not outright outlawed. That is the antithesis of the ideas that this country was founded upon, but they don't care because they hate this country and its ideology. Decades of indoctrination and radicalization by radical leftist teachers and professors is coming to fruition. Their goal is to ban any thought or idea that they disapprove of.

[Major Kong]

Keep it from escalating in the first place.

Instead of those who are there to protect us, not be bystanders, make it known that as long as your "protest" is peaceful then AOK. The minute it becomes violent then not AOK and the riot control controls come into play.

This horsecrap of waiting until the horse is not only out of the barn but 3 pastures over is pure bunk.

[awesome guy]

Keep it from escalating in the first place.

Instead of those who are there to protect us, not be bystanders, make it known that as long as your "protest" is peaceful then AOK. The minute it becomes violent then not AOK and the riot control controls come into play.

This horsecrap of waiting until the horse is not only out of the barn but 3 pastures over is pure bunk.

That's because the violence was from antifa and BLM. Morons let them have free reign to be violent and then get indignant when they're hit back. F them.

[HokieJoe]

Keep it from escalating in the first place.

Instead of those who are there to protect us, not be bystanders, make it known that as long as your "protest" is peaceful then AOK. The minute it becomes violent then not AOK and the riot control controls come into play.

This horsecrap of waiting until the horse is not only out of the barn but 3 pastures over is pure bunk.

That's exactly my feelings. This hands off crap started in Berkley and it culminated in people losing their lives yesterday. That's unacceptable in a free society. The people of this country, no matter how nutty, MUST BE afforded the same free right to expression the rest of us have. Our country is gone should we fail extending that right to all.

[USN_Hokie]

Keep it from escalating in the first place.

Instead of those who are there to protect us, not be bystanders, make it known that as long as your "protest" is peaceful then AOK. The minute it becomes violent then not AOK and the riot control controls come into play.

This horsecrap of waiting until the horse is not only out of the barn but 3 pastures over is pure bunk.

That's exactly my feelings. This hands off crap started in Berkley and it culminated in people losing their lives yesterday. That's unacceptable in a free society. The people of this country, no matter how nutty, MUST BE afforded the same free right to expression the rest of us have. Our country is gone should we fail extending that right to all.

Here's a thought: what if....this is what the governments of these localities want?

What happened in C-ville was a perfect storm if the government was looking for violence to erupt.

1. Group of folks waiving kkk/neo-nazi/skinhead flags and crap assembles where they obtained a permit (and the governor tried to rescind?).

2. Antifa / communist / BLM types (other end of the retard spectrum) surround.

3. Taunts, objects, urine, feces start to be thrown.

4. Police (what I am reading) tell the white separatist groups to disperse through the mob while practicing "hands off" non-intervention approach as people assemble with bats and other weapons.

5. ???

6. Communist chick gets run over by a car while rioting in the street.

The Hoo-ville government couldn't have picked a better strategy for someone to get killed.

These groups have tried this in other cities and it was dealt with without much fanfare. The police are trained in riot control. It's actually fairly easy in a city area to corral, control, and - if needed - detain/arrest trouble makers.

[awesome guy]

Keep it from escalating in the first place.

Instead of those who are there to protect us, not be bystanders, make it known that as long as your "protest" is peaceful then AOK. The minute it becomes violent then not AOK and the riot control controls come into play.

This horsecrap of waiting until the horse is not only out of the barn but 3 pastures over is pure bunk.

That's exactly my feelings. This hands off crap started in Berkley and it culminated in people losing their lives yesterday. That's unacceptable in a free society. The people of this country, no matter how nutty, MUST BE afforded the same free right to expression the rest of us have. Our country is gone should we fail extending that right to all.

Here's a thought: what if....this is what the governments of these localities want?

What happened in C-ville was a perfect storm if the government was looking for violence to erupt.

1. Group of folks waiving kkk/neo-nazi/skinhead flags and crap assembles where they obtained a permit (and the governor tried to rescind?).

2. Antifa / communist / BLM types (other end of the retard spectrum) surround.

3. Taunts, objects, urine, feces start to be thrown.

4. Police (what I am reading) tell the white separatist groups to disperse through the mob while practicing "hands off" non-intervention approach as people assemble with bats and other weapons.

5. ???

6. Communist chick gets run over by a car while rioting in the street.

The Hoo-ville government couldn't have picked a better strategy for someone to get killed.

These groups have tried this in other cities and it was dealt with without much fanfare. The police are trained in riot control. It's actually fairly easy in a city area to corral, control, and - if needed - detain/arrest trouble makers.

They're commies like Captain Jagdish and company, they think they're justified in attacking people with beliefs they don't like and then cry like bitches when they get hit back. I don't believe it's a conspiracy, it's just morons doing moronic things. They're bastards, what we get when the father is missing from the family. They're responding as the mother did when she hit and attacked her latest boyfriend and then claimed to be a victim of domestic assault when he hit her back. It's the same bitch behavior, be the aggressor and agitator and then go full Nolan when they get hit back. They're bottom dwelling losers, that's it.

[UpstateSCHokie]

Keep it from escalating in the first place.

Instead of those who are there to protect us, not be bystanders, make it known that as long as your "protest" is peaceful then AOK. The minute it becomes violent then not AOK and the riot control controls come into play.

This horsecrap of waiting until the horse is not only out of the barn but 3 pastures over is pure bunk.

That's exactly my feelings. This hands off crap started in Berkley and it culminated in people losing their lives yesterday. That's unacceptable in a free society. The people of this country, no matter how nutty, MUST BE afforded the same free right to expression the rest of us have. Our country is gone should we fail extending that right to all.

Here's a thought: what if....this is what the governments of these localities want?

What happened in C-ville was a perfect storm if the government was looking for violence to erupt.

1. Group of folks waiving kkk/neo-nazi/skinhead flags and crap assembles where they obtained a permit (and the governor tried to rescind?).

2. Antifa / communist / BLM types (other end of the retard spectrum) surround.

3. Taunts, objects, urine, feces start to be thrown.

4. Police (what I am reading) tell the white separatist groups to disperse through the mob while practicing "hands off" non-intervention approach as people assemble with bats and other weapons.

5. ???

6. Communist chick gets run over by a car while rioting in the street.

The Hoo-ville government couldn't have picked a better strategy for someone to get killed.

These groups have tried this in other cities and it was dealt with without much fanfare. The police are trained in riot control. It's actually fairly easy in a city area to corral, control, and - if needed - detain/arrest trouble makers.

After reading the comments here and watching the liberal talking heads on TVthis morning, where all they do is use this tragedy to bash Trump (and the right in general), I think you are right. I'm starting to believe they were hoping for this type of event to occur so they could use it to further their political goals. This also takes the spotlight off of the several recent violent events that were completely perpetrated by people on the left. Of course in those cases we never heard any of these guilt by association accusations, or calls for prominent Democrats to denounce them.

[UpstateSCHokie]

The ACLU confirms that the police were told to stand down. The question is "why?" And why doesn't the left seem to care?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08 ... nd-the-us/

[USN_Hokie]

Keep it from escalating in the first place.

Instead of those who are there to protect us, not be bystanders, make it known that as long as your "protest" is peaceful then AOK. The minute it becomes violent then not AOK and the riot control controls come into play.

This horsecrap of waiting until the horse is not only out of the barn but 3 pastures over is pure bunk.

That's exactly my feelings. This hands off crap started in Berkley and it culminated in people losing their lives yesterday. That's unacceptable in a free society. The people of this country, no matter how nutty, MUST BE afforded the same free right to expression the rest of us have. Our country is gone should we fail extending that right to all.

Here's a thought: what if....this is what the governments of these localities want?

What happened in C-ville was a perfect storm if the government was looking for violence to erupt.

1. Group of folks waiving kkk/neo-nazi/skinhead flags and crap assembles where they obtained a permit (and the governor tried to rescind?).

2. Antifa / communist / BLM types (other end of the retard spectrum) surround.

3. Taunts, objects, urine, feces start to be thrown.

4. Police (what I am reading) tell the white separatist groups to disperse through the mob while practicing "hands off" non-intervention approach as people assemble with bats and other weapons.

5. ???

6. Communist chick gets run over by a car while rioting in the street.

The Hoo-ville government couldn't have picked a better strategy for someone to get killed.

These groups have tried this in other cities and it was dealt with without much fanfare. The police are trained in riot control. It's actually fairly easy in a city area to corral, control, and - if needed - detain/arrest trouble makers.

....

#7 Blame Drumpf!

By the way, GoFundme for the Communist chick is over $100k.

[HokieJoe]

Keep it from escalating in the first place.

Instead of those who are there to protect us, not be bystanders, make it known that as long as your "protest" is peaceful then AOK. The minute it becomes violent then not AOK and the riot control controls come into play.

This horsecrap of waiting until the horse is not only out of the barn but 3 pastures over is pure bunk.

That's exactly my feelings. This hands off crap started in Berkley and it culminated in people losing their lives yesterday. That's unacceptable in a free society. The people of this country, no matter how nutty, MUST BE afforded the same free right to expression the rest of us have. Our country is gone should we fail extending that right to all.

Here's a thought: what if....this is what the governments of these localities want?

What happened in C-ville was a perfect storm if the government was looking for violence to erupt.

1. Group of folks waiving kkk/neo-nazi/skinhead flags and crap assembles where they obtained a permit (and the governor tried to rescind?).

2. Antifa / communist / BLM types (other end of the retard spectrum) surround.

3. Taunts, objects, urine, feces start to be thrown.

4. Police (what I am reading) tell the white separatist groups to disperse through the mob while practicing "hands off" non-intervention approach as people assemble with bats and other weapons.

5. ???

6. Communist chick gets run over by a car while rioting in the street.

The Hoo-ville government couldn't have picked a better strategy for someone to get killed.

These groups have tried this in other cities and it was dealt with without much fanfare. The police are trained in riot control. It's actually fairly easy in a city area to corral, control, and - if needed - detain/arrest trouble makers.

I place a lot of responsibility on the various municipalities involved. They permitted these crazy azz situations to get out of hand. They are cowards.

EDIT: And yes, I think they some of these F'ing clowns are trying to sow chaos.

[USN_Hokie]

Keep it from escalating in the first place.

Instead of those who are there to protect us, not be bystanders, make it known that as long as your "protest" is peaceful then AOK. The minute it becomes violent then not AOK and the riot control controls come into play.

This horsecrap of waiting until the horse is not only out of the barn but 3 pastures over is pure bunk.

How do you not escalate when the left escalates what they call violence? "Violent/Violence speech" is now a thing on college campuses and municipalities. This violence speech is considered equivalent to physical violence. Ex:
Some on the left even considered the assassination attempt on Scalise and other Republicans as "self defense" because Republicans were trying (haha, right) to repeal Obamacare.

They have an emotional response to commit violence against conservatives. Yet, you haven't committed violence against them, so they invent a pseudo violence in their head to justify their actions. They see Trump winning under the banner of nationalism and anti-globalism. What do they do? They try and turn nationalism into an offensive word. Emotions first. Justifications later.

Everything the left sees is through a prism of equality = equal outcomes. So, as they continue to fail (both politically and in life) and experience/perceive bad outcomes, they don't reevaluate their situation. Instead, they just double down on inequality.

That's why this only ratchets up... IMHO. Hope I'm wrong.

[HokieHam]

Keep it from escalating in the first place.

Instead of those who are there to protect us, not be bystanders, make it known that as long as your "protest" is peaceful then AOK. The minute it becomes violent then not AOK and the riot control controls come into play.

This horsecrap of waiting until the horse is not only out of the barn but 3 pastures over is pure bunk.

That's exactly my feelings. This hands off crap started in Berkley and it culminated in people losing their lives yesterday. That's unacceptable in a free society. The people of this country, no matter how nutty, MUST BE afforded the same free right to expression the rest of us have. Our country is gone should we fail extending that right to all.

Started before Berkeley. Started once BLM started attacking people who supported Trump. Started when the leftist moron mayor of Baltimore told cops to back down on the initial protests that turned into riots.......

[HokieHam]

Keep it from escalating in the first place.

Instead of those who are there to protect us, not be bystanders, make it known that as long as your "protest" is peaceful then AOK. The minute it becomes violent then not AOK and the riot control controls come into play.

This horsecrap of waiting until the horse is not only out of the barn but 3 pastures over is pure bunk.

That's exactly my feelings. This hands off crap started in Berkley and it culminated in people losing their lives yesterday. That's unacceptable in a free society. The people of this country, no matter how nutty, MUST BE afforded the same free right to expression the rest of us have. Our country is gone should we fail extending that right to all.

Here's a thought: what if....this is what the governments of these localities want?

What happened in C-ville was a perfect storm if the government was looking for violence to erupt.

1. Group of folks waiving kkk/neo-nazi/skinhead flags and crap assembles where they obtained a permit (and the governor tried to rescind?).

2. Antifa / communist / BLM types (other end of the retard spectrum) surround.

3. Taunts, objects, urine, feces start to be thrown.

4. Police (what I am reading) tell the white separatist groups to disperse through the mob while practicing "hands off" non-intervention approach as people assemble with bats and other weapons.

5. ???

6. Communist chick gets run over by a car while rioting in the street.

The Hoo-ville government couldn't have picked a better strategy for someone to get killed.

These groups have tried this in other cities and it was dealt with without much fanfare. The police are trained in riot control. It's actually fairly easy in a city area to corral, control, and - if needed - detain/arrest trouble makers.

....

#7 Blame Drumpf!

By the way, GoFundme for the Communist chick is over $100k.

Seriously.........screw these people.........I'm hoping stuff like this emboldens people to vote more Dumbocrats out of office........

[USN_Hokie]

[HooFighter]

A poster here

[USN_Hokie]

[awesome guy]

Guess they choose to ignore that the Nazis were socialists inspired by Margaret Sanger and her eugenics program.

[USN_Hokie]

A poster here

[img]

In Seattle this weekend?

[HokieHam]

A poster here

[img]

In Seattle this weekend?

That can't be an American flag in the background or those leftists would be beating the person holding it.......

Oh, the sign......Nolan thinks is funny.

[HokieHam]

Ahh......notice something? LOL

[awesome guy]

Ahh......notice something? LOL

Obama is right, that's learned behavior. He's just wrong on how it's taught.

[USN_Hokie]

[HokieJoe]

I want to hear more about these stand down orders. Who ordered them?