so the left idiots with TDS helped elect more repubs last

[awesome guy]

He actually said this. Huge job growth in the coal cleaning segment.

Go slow for me here.
What's the problem with this?

Hoof has more anger than knowledge, that's the problem.

Exactly. Coal being dirty is fake news. Black lung. Fake.


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Retarded

[RiverguyVT]

In response to my question, you found Trump's rally to be presidential. We then began a discussion on Obama and the campaign style rallies that we both disagreed with, and both found unpresidential.

Can you provide a better summary of this exchange in as few of words?


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Sure.
I'm suggesting "presidential" in your question means one thing to you (form) and something different to me (function).

OK. If I cared more to go down this rabbit-hole with you, I'd ask how the function of Trump's tallies differ from Obama's, so as to make Trump's rallies presidential, but not Obama's.

I'm sure it's complicated.


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Last nights rally, to me, was ph neutral, essentially. The function, being to discuss his agenda (filibuster, immigration, healthcare, poking McCain in the eye...) sure. Presidential because those things are desirable, and fit the charge of the office (constitution, protecting me)

Obamas rallies, essentially disruptive of the health industry, promoting racial discord and undermining rule of law, not.

Not complicated at all.

[ip_law-hokie]

In response to my question, you found Trump's rally to be presidential. We then began a discussion on Obama and the campaign style rallies that we both disagreed with, and both found unpresidential.

Can you provide a better summary of this exchange in as few of words?


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Sure.
I'm suggesting "presidential" in your question means one thing to you (form) and something different to me (function).

OK. If I cared more to go down this rabbit-hole with you, I'd ask how the function of Trump's tallies differ from Obama's, so as to make Trump's rallies presidential, but not Obama's.

I'm sure it's complicated.


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Last nights rally, to me, was ph neutral, essentially. The function, being to discuss his agenda (filibuster, immigration, healthcare, poking McCain in the eye...) sure. Presidential because those things are desirable, and fit the charge of the office (constitution, protecting me)

Obamas rallies, essentially disruptive of the health industry, promoting racial discord and undermining rule of law, not.

Not complicated at all.

It's the same function: promoting their agenda. One can only conclude from this mental gymnastics routine that you agree with one agenda, and not the other.

Even less complicated.


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[RiverguyVT]

In response to my question, you found Trump's rally to be presidential. We then began a discussion on Obama and the campaign style rallies that we both disagreed with, and both found unpresidential.

Can you provide a better summary of this exchange in as few of words?


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Sure.
I'm suggesting "presidential" in your question means one thing to you (form) and something different to me (function).

OK. If I cared more to go down this rabbit-hole with you, I'd ask how the function of Trump's tallies differ from Obama's, so as to make Trump's rallies presidential, but not Obama's.

I'm sure it's complicated.


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Last nights rally, to me, was ph neutral, essentially. The function, being to discuss his agenda (filibuster, immigration, healthcare, poking McCain in the eye...) sure. Presidential because those things are desirable, and fit the charge of the office (constitution, protecting me)

Obamas rallies, essentially disruptive of the health industry, promoting racial discord and undermining rule of law, not.

Not complicated at all.

It's the same function: promoting their agenda. One can only conclude from this mental gymnastics routine that you agree with one agenda, and not the other.

Even less complicated.


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One agenda, not so presidential (as already explained. See: rule of law, US Constitution). Maybe I'm crazy

[ip_law-hokie]

In response to my question, you found Trump's rally to be presidential. We then began a discussion on Obama and the campaign style rallies that we both disagreed with, and both found unpresidential.

Can you provide a better summary of this exchange in as few of words?


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Sure.
I'm suggesting "presidential" in your question means one thing to you (form) and something different to me (function).

OK. If I cared more to go down this rabbit-hole with you, I'd ask how the function of Trump's tallies differ from Obama's, so as to make Trump's rallies presidential, but not Obama's.

I'm sure it's complicated.


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Last nights rally, to me, was ph neutral, essentially. The function, being to discuss his agenda (filibuster, immigration, healthcare, poking McCain in the eye...) sure. Presidential because those things are desirable, and fit the charge of the office (constitution, protecting me)

Obamas rallies, essentially disruptive of the health industry, promoting racial discord and undermining rule of law, not.

Not complicated at all.

It's the same function: promoting their agenda. One can only conclude from this mental gymnastics routine that you agree with one agenda, and not the other.

Even less complicated.


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One agenda, not so presidential (as already explained. See: rule of law, US Constitution)

And Trump's agenda is presidential. So any rallies Trump participates in are also presidential. I got it now. Thanks for setting me straight, I had it all wrong before.


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[RiverguyVT]

Form


Function


Simple


To you, presidentiality means looking good on TV and saying things the MSM agrees with.
To me, presidentiality has much more to do with agenda.

Trump looks and sounds like a circus clown.
I'm crazy, but think his agenda makes a lot more sense than one which includes arming drug lords, pay for play, giving nukes to despots, politicizing the IRS, a contempt of congress AG, etc etc.

[ip_law-hokie]

Form


Function


Simple


To you, presidentiality means looking good on TV and saying things the MSM agrees with.
To me, presidentiality has much more to do with agenda.

Trump looks and sounds like a circus clown.
I'm crazy, but think his agenda makes a lot more sense than one which includes arming drug lords, pay for play, giving nukes to despots, politicizing the IRS, a contempt of congress AG, etc etc.

I'm not seeing how this routine refutes my conclusion. Ive told you that I think Obama's rallies were unpresidential. So your assertions as to what I think are both misplaced and unavailing.

I understand that you agree with the message. I wasn't asking about the message, but you cannot, or are unwilling, to divorce the message from the general concept of these campaign-style rallies.

Carry on.


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[RiverguyVT]

Again, it comes down to what you see as being "presidential"

[ip_law-hokie]

Again, it comes down to what you see as being "presidential"

Correct. For you, it's entirely in whether you agree with message or not.


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[RiverguyVT]

Again, it comes down to what you see as being "presidential"

Correct. For you, it's entirely in whether you agree with message or not.


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Inasmuch that I tend to disagree with unconstitutional power usurpings and abuses of office, you're half right.

[ip_law-hokie]

Again, it comes down to what you see as being "presidential"

Correct. For you, it's entirely in whether you agree with message or not.


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Inasmuch that I tend to disagree with unconstitutional power usurpings and abuses of office, you're half right.

If by half you mean 100%, then I agree.


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[HooFighter]

Again, it comes down to what you see as being "presidential"

Making mention of the 10 sailors who drowned the previous day would have been presidential.

Sending well wishes to John McCain in his home state would have been presidential.

[USN_Hokie]

Did you find Trump's speech in Phoenix to be presidential?


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Is Trump your President? If so, it was presidential.

By the way, you're the guy that pretended to vote for Gary Johnson, right?

[ip_law-hokie]

Did you find Trump's speech in Phoenix to be presidential?


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Is Trump your President? If so, it was presidential.

By the way, you're the guy that pretended to vote for Gary Johnson, right?

Correct - Trump is the POTUS. Thanks for the contribution.


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[USN_Hokie]

Did you find Trump's speech in Phoenix to be presidential?


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Is Trump your President? If so, it was presidential.

By the way, you're the guy that pretended to vote for Gary Johnson, right?

Correct - Trump is the POTUS. Thanks for the contribution.


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No problem.

[Vienna_Hokie]

So.....

Didn't win the popular vote...irrelevant
Didn't sell his companies and violating the constitution....nope
Russia....nevermind
Racist...no proof
Next up..... He is not presidential .... what else ya got?

[ip_law-hokie]

So.....

Didn't win the popular vote...irrelevant
Didn't sell his companies and violating the constitution....nope
Russia....nevermind
Racist...no proof
Next up..... He is not presidential .... what else ya got?

I've got Obamacare still in force, no infrastructure bill, no tax reform, and no major legislative achievement, all with historically low approval ratings.


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[RiverguyVT]

So.....

Didn't win the popular vote...irrelevant
Didn't sell his companies and violating the constitution....nope
Russia....nevermind
Racist...no proof
Next up..... He is not presidential .... what else ya got?

I've got Obamacare still in force, no infrastructure bill, no tax reform, and no major legislative achievement, all with historically low approval ratings.


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Did Soros send out the orders to harp on "legislative achievement" or something? I keep seeing that phrase... odd, given that the subject in question (President) is not in the legislature but rather the executive.

Obamacare- that's on John McCain in particular, the congress in general.
Infrastructure - meh. It'll come. Still a legislative thing
Tax reform- coming. Again, legislature
Approval ratings - depends who you ask, and when.

Russia!!

Let us know when he gives nukes to terrorist despots, mkay?

[ip_law-hokie]

So.....

Didn't win the popular vote...irrelevant
Didn't sell his companies and violating the constitution....nope
Russia....nevermind
Racist...no proof
Next up..... He is not presidential .... what else ya got?

I've got Obamacare still in force, no infrastructure bill, no tax reform, and no major legislative achievement, all with historically low approval ratings.


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Did Soros send out the orders to harp on "legislative achievement" or something? I keep seeing that phrase... odd, given that the subject in question (President) is not in the legislature but rather the executive.

Obamacare- that's on John McCain in particular, the congress in general.
Infrastructure - meh. It'll come. Still a legislative thing
Tax reform- coming. Again, legislature
Approval ratings - depends who you ask, and when.

Russia!!

Let us know when he gives nukes to terrorist despots, mkay?

Obama!


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[RiverguyVT]

Yes, Obama

While you can complain about the current Prez's goofy hair and mode of speech, ...and the lack of a good highway bill after 7 months...

I will complain that the last Prez gave nukes to terrorists. Nukes! Terrorists! One pales in comparison to the other. Seriously. That was so stupid of the libs/dems/bolsheviks, that it should preclude any others ever being elected to office again. God help us. Nukes to terrorists. (oh, and pallets of unmarked bills; can't forget that strike of genius)

[cwtcr hokie]

He actually said this. Huge job growth in the coal cleaning segment.

Go slow for me here.
What's the problem with this?

Hoof has more anger than knowledge, that's the problem.

Exactly. Coal being dirty is fake news. Black lung. Fake.


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yes, coal mining is a tough profession, keep in mind that these days machines do most of the work so people are not near as exposed as they used to be. Of course being a crab fisherman is a very tough profession also, or a power lineman or hundreds of other jobs.... for instance NFL fball player.... and people still do them

Again, many places on the planet continue to use coal to produce electricity and run their economies and that is not changing soon, first due to cost and second due to alternatives. Just ask China

You state the reason why there is no net benefit to "saving" coal: it doesn't yield the jobs that it's supporters would lead you to believe that it does. I acknowledge that they are high paying jobs for uneducated workers, but those uneducated workers have largely been outsourced to machines.


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Is your main criticism of coal, black lung?[/quote]

you are trying to have a discussion with someone not capable of having an actual discussion, surprised he has typed as much as he has

[cwtcr hokie]

Again, it comes down to what you see as being "presidential"

Making mention of the 10 sailors who drowned the previous day would have been presidential.

Sending well wishes to John McCain in his home state would have been presidential.

from what I have seen he mentioned the sailors several times since the ship got a big hole in it

[cwtcr hokie]

So.....

Didn't win the popular vote...irrelevant
Didn't sell his companies and violating the constitution....nope
Russia....nevermind
Racist...no proof
Next up..... He is not presidential .... what else ya got?

I've got Obamacare still in force, no infrastructure bill, no tax reform, and no major legislative achievement, all with historically low approval ratings.


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I was not aware Trump was a dicatator, yes the moron repubs in Congress have to do something, that is why we will be replacing them next year if they keep up their stupidity

question tho, If your girl HIllary would have won.... how much legislation do you think she would have gotten passed in the first 13% of her presidency?

[ip_law-hokie]

So.....

Didn't win the popular vote...irrelevant
Didn't sell his companies and violating the constitution....nope
Russia....nevermind
Racist...no proof
Next up..... He is not presidential .... what else ya got?

I've got Obamacare still in force, no infrastructure bill, no tax reform, and no major legislative achievement, all with historically low approval ratings.


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I was not aware Trump was a dicatator, yes the moron repubs in Congress have to do something, that is why we will be replacing them next year if they keep up their stupidity

question tho, If your girl HIllary would have won.... how much legislation do you think she would have gotten passed in the first 13% of her presidency?

I voted for Gary Johnson.


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[cwtcr hokie]

So.....

Didn't win the popular vote...irrelevant
Didn't sell his companies and violating the constitution....nope
Russia....nevermind
Racist...no proof
Next up..... He is not presidential .... what else ya got?

I've got Obamacare still in force, no infrastructure bill, no tax reform, and no major legislative achievement, all with historically low approval ratings.


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I was not aware Trump was a dicatator, yes the moron repubs in Congress have to do something, that is why we will be replacing them next year if they keep up their stupidity

question tho, If your girl HIllary would have won.... how much legislation do you think she would have gotten passed in the first 13% of her presidency?

I voted for Gary Johnson.


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good job answering the question, great conversation as always