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This interview nails it. Read the whole thing at the link.
http://inhomelandsecurity.com/reason-na ... t-vessels/

There is no way on my ships that would have happened. We always had direct leadership. Leadership that was there, present and capable. I am willing to bet that those ships involved in incidents with merchants had all their sexual orientation, transgender training, and environmental training all completed at the expense of the safety and operational training.

If you put the emphasis on social issues, you get a social force. If you put it on operational issues, you get an operational force.
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USN_Hokie wrote:This interview nails it. Read the whole thing at the link.
http://inhomelandsecurity.com/reason-na ... t-vessels/

There is no way on my ships that would have happened. We always had direct leadership. Leadership that was there, present and capable. I am willing to bet that those ships involved in incidents with merchants had all their sexual orientation, transgender training, and environmental training all completed at the expense of the safety and operational training.

If you put the emphasis on social issues, you get a social force. If you put it on operational issues, you get an operational force.
Yeah, the Navy never hit merchant vessels in the past. Certainly never during Captain F's 20.
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USN_Hokie wrote:This interview nails it. Read the whole thing at the link.
http://inhomelandsecurity.com/reason-na ... t-vessels/

There is no way on my ships that would have happened. We always had direct leadership. Leadership that was there, present and capable. I am willing to bet that those ships involved in incidents with merchants had all their sexual orientation, transgender training, and environmental training all completed at the expense of the safety and operational training.

If you put the emphasis on social issues, you get a social force. If you put it on operational issues, you get an operational force.
And I hate that training crap more than anyone. At my last job (publicly traded company) we had to complete stupid stuff every year, and even had to pass an online test. It sucked. I work at a small company now and we have none of that BS. However, as much as I hated it, it would never be an excuse for me failing to do my job.
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TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:This interview nails it. Read the whole thing at the link.
http://inhomelandsecurity.com/reason-na ... t-vessels/

There is no way on my ships that would have happened. We always had direct leadership. Leadership that was there, present and capable. I am willing to bet that those ships involved in incidents with merchants had all their sexual orientation, transgender training, and environmental training all completed at the expense of the safety and operational training.

If you put the emphasis on social issues, you get a social force. If you put it on operational issues, you get an operational force.
And I hate that training crap more than anyone. At my last job (publicly traded company) we had to complete stupid stuff every year, and even had to pass an online test. It sucked. I work at a small company now and we have none of that BS. However, as much as I hated it, it would never be an excuse for me failing to do my job.
As usual, you can't put yourself outside your own experience and realize the impact of social experiments and training on a job site that you rarely leave.
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TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:This interview nails it. Read the whole thing at the link.
http://inhomelandsecurity.com/reason-na ... t-vessels/

There is no way on my ships that would have happened. We always had direct leadership. Leadership that was there, present and capable. I am willing to bet that those ships involved in incidents with merchants had all their sexual orientation, transgender training, and environmental training all completed at the expense of the safety and operational training.

If you put the emphasis on social issues, you get a social force. If you put it on operational issues, you get an operational force.
Yeah, the Navy never hit merchant vessels in the past. Certainly never during Captain F's 20.
When I was in, you could count the major safety mishaps over the last 20yrs on one hand.... Radford, Gonzalez ("Groundzalez"), Greenville, La Moure County... I think that's it.

There have been that many in the last year alone. In fact, it's probably partially responsible for us not shooting down the last couple missiles rocket man has lobbed. It's been a huge impact.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:This interview nails it. Read the whole thing at the link.
http://inhomelandsecurity.com/reason-na ... t-vessels/

There is no way on my ships that would have happened. We always had direct leadership. Leadership that was there, present and capable. I am willing to bet that those ships involved in incidents with merchants had all their sexual orientation, transgender training, and environmental training all completed at the expense of the safety and operational training.

If you put the emphasis on social issues, you get a social force. If you put it on operational issues, you get an operational force.
Yeah, the Navy never hit merchant vessels in the past. Certainly never during Captain F's 20.
When I was in, you could count the major safety mishaps over the last 20yrs on one hand.... Radford, Gonzalez ("Groundzalez"), Greenville, La Moure County... I think that's it.

There have been that many in the last year alone. In fact, it's probably partially responsible for us not shooting down the last couple missiles rocket man has lobbed. It's been a huge impact.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/us/n ... erald.html
https://fas.org/wp-content/uploads/2014 ... 5-1988.pdf

In the 45-88 document there are a lot with merchant vessels.
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I was with a training unit in Alexandria back in the day and we were tasked with organizing and conducting basic soldier skills testing at a reserve personnel unit at Belvoir. This is required testing for every soldier every year. We were tasked with executing it because the IG had identified that their testing program for this was not compliant. Ended up taking 3 drill weekends to complete because the unit had a celebration or some other event (black history month, women's history, hispanic history, etc) that took up the majority of the training weekend and left us with less than 3 hours per weekend to conduct the testing. Their leadership prioritized these events over their training schedule.

After 3 months less than 60% of the unit's personnel had completed the testing, less than 1/2 passed and the unit was cited for a failure to meet standards. However, the CO was promoted six months later, the XO was promoted into the CO job.

Only fun part was that for the 3rd month we set up a land navigation test and made sure that those that did not have solid navigation skills were soaking wet, covered with mud and had lots of cuts on any exposed skin. If they had solid skills they could easily have navigated around the brambles streams and mud holes, if not, their only option was to go right through it. Most came back at the end of the time period without finding a single point and perfectly clean.
Looks like the only thing 1984 got wrong was the date.
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TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:This interview nails it. Read the whole thing at the link.
http://inhomelandsecurity.com/reason-na ... t-vessels/

There is no way on my ships that would have happened. We always had direct leadership. Leadership that was there, present and capable. I am willing to bet that those ships involved in incidents with merchants had all their sexual orientation, transgender training, and environmental training all completed at the expense of the safety and operational training.

If you put the emphasis on social issues, you get a social force. If you put it on operational issues, you get an operational force.
Yeah, the Navy never hit merchant vessels in the past. Certainly never during Captain F's 20.
When I was in, you could count the major safety mishaps over the last 20yrs on one hand.... Radford, Gonzalez ("Groundzalez"), Greenville, La Moure County... I think that's it.

There have been that many in the last year alone. In fact, it's probably partially responsible for us not shooting down the last couple missiles rocket man has lobbed. It's been a huge impact.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/us/n ... erald.html
https://fas.org/wp-content/uploads/2014 ... 5-1988.pdf

In the 45-88 document there are a lot with merchant vessels.
Silly me, why did I spend over 20yrs studying and practicing as a naval mariner when I could have just googled a shitty irrelevant 80pg Greenpeace study and said "hey bro, but did you read this?"

You know what, those bridge watchstanders on the Fitzgerald should have just googled what to do and they could have avoided all of this. Someone should forward this link to the GAO (whose report mostly mirrors the observations in my linked article) and tell them they're wrong.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/navy- ... le/2633587
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USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:This interview nails it. Read the whole thing at the link.
http://inhomelandsecurity.com/reason-na ... t-vessels/

There is no way on my ships that would have happened. We always had direct leadership. Leadership that was there, present and capable. I am willing to bet that those ships involved in incidents with merchants had all their sexual orientation, transgender training, and environmental training all completed at the expense of the safety and operational training.

If you put the emphasis on social issues, you get a social force. If you put it on operational issues, you get an operational force.
Yeah, the Navy never hit merchant vessels in the past. Certainly never during Captain F's 20.
When I was in, you could count the major safety mishaps over the last 20yrs on one hand.... Radford, Gonzalez ("Groundzalez"), Greenville, La Moure County... I think that's it.

There have been that many in the last year alone. In fact, it's probably partially responsible for us not shooting down the last couple missiles rocket man has lobbed. It's been a huge impact.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/us/n ... erald.html
https://fas.org/wp-content/uploads/2014 ... 5-1988.pdf

In the 45-88 document there are a lot with merchant vessels.
Silly me, why did I spend over 20yrs studying and practicing as a naval mariner when I could have just googled a shitty irrelevant 80pg Greenpeace study and said "hey bro, but did you read this?"

You know what, those bridge watchstanders on the Fitzgerald should have just googled what to do and they could have avoided all of this. Someone should forward this link to the GAO (whose report mostly mirrors the observations in my linked article) and tell them they're wrong.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/navy- ... le/2633587
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USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:This interview nails it. Read the whole thing at the link.
http://inhomelandsecurity.com/reason-na ... t-vessels/

There is no way on my ships that would have happened. We always had direct leadership. Leadership that was there, present and capable. I am willing to bet that those ships involved in incidents with merchants had all their sexual orientation, transgender training, and environmental training all completed at the expense of the safety and operational training.

If you put the emphasis on social issues, you get a social force. If you put it on operational issues, you get an operational force.
Yeah, the Navy never hit merchant vessels in the past. Certainly never during Captain F's 20.
When I was in, you could count the major safety mishaps over the last 20yrs on one hand.... Radford, Gonzalez ("Groundzalez"), Greenville, La Moure County... I think that's it.

There have been that many in the last year alone. In fact, it's probably partially responsible for us not shooting down the last couple missiles rocket man has lobbed. It's been a huge impact.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/us/n ... erald.html
https://fas.org/wp-content/uploads/2014 ... 5-1988.pdf

In the 45-88 document there are a lot with merchant vessels.
Silly me, why did I spend over 20yrs studying and practicing as a naval mariner when I could have just googled a shitty irrelevant 80pg Greenpeace study and said "hey bro, but did you read this?"

You know what, those bridge watchstanders on the Fitzgerald should have just googled what to do and they could have avoided all of this. Someone should forward this link to the GAO (whose report mostly mirrors the observations in my linked article) and tell them they're wrong.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/navy- ... le/2633587
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USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:This interview nails it. Read the whole thing at the link.
http://inhomelandsecurity.com/reason-na ... t-vessels/

There is no way on my ships that would have happened. We always had direct leadership. Leadership that was there, present and capable. I am willing to bet that those ships involved in incidents with merchants had all their sexual orientation, transgender training, and environmental training all completed at the expense of the safety and operational training.

If you put the emphasis on social issues, you get a social force. If you put it on operational issues, you get an operational force.
Yeah, the Navy never hit merchant vessels in the past. Certainly never during Captain F's 20.
When I was in, you could count the major safety mishaps over the last 20yrs on one hand.... Radford, Gonzalez ("Groundzalez"), Greenville, La Moure County... I think that's it.

There have been that many in the last year alone. In fact, it's probably partially responsible for us not shooting down the last couple missiles rocket man has lobbed. It's been a huge impact.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/us/n ... erald.html
https://fas.org/wp-content/uploads/2014 ... 5-1988.pdf

In the 45-88 document there are a lot with merchant vessels.
Silly me, why did I spend over 20yrs studying and practicing as a naval mariner when I could have just googled a shitty irrelevant 80pg Greenpeace study and said "hey bro, but did you read this?"

You know what, those bridge watchstanders on the Fitzgerald should have just googled what to do and they could have avoided all of this. Someone should forward this link to the GAO (whose report mostly mirrors the observations in my linked article) and tell them they're wrong.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/navy- ... le/2633587
Great article, I believe it, and it doesn't dispute anything I said. To put it another way, the article and my point are not mutually exclusive. They can have collisions in the past and still be under trained!

I fail to see in the article where a few sensitivity classes were to blame.
I never said they weren't under trained.
I provided evidence that the Navy has historically had collisions with merchant ships, contrary to the assertion by the captain that "nailed it".

Our Navy is amazing, and overstretched. What they do for our country and the world is invaluable.

I think you need some help in logic and reasoning. At first I thought you just argued against a point that no one made to make yourself feel smart. Now I'm pretty sure it's a logic/reasoning problem.
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133743Hokie wrote: What's the Economists take?
Everyone should read credible sources more. An informed opinion is a hell of a lot better than unsubstantiated feelings.
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TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote: Silly me, why did I spend over 20yrs studying and practicing as a naval mariner when I could have just googled a shitty irrelevant 80pg Greenpeace study and said "hey bro, but did you read this?"

You know what, those bridge watchstanders on the Fitzgerald should have just googled what to do and they could have avoided all of this. Someone should forward this link to the GAO (whose report mostly mirrors the observations in my linked article) and tell them they're wrong.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/navy- ... le/2633587
Great article, I believe it, and it doesn't dispute anything I said. To put it another way, the article and my point are not mutually exclusive. They can have collisions in the past and still be under trained!

I fail to see in the article where a few sensitivity classes were to blame.
I never said they weren't under trained.
I provided evidence that the Navy has historically had collisions with merchant ships, contrary to the assertion by the captain that "nailed it".

Our Navy is amazing, and overstretched. What they do for our country and the world is invaluable.

I think you need some help in logic and reasoning. At first I thought you just argued against a point that no one made to make yourself feel smart. Now I'm pretty sure it's a logic/reasoning problem.
You didn't even read the article. Now you've made yourself look like a dumbass trying to look smart.

By all means though Google ranger, tell me how a Russian submarine bumping into a tug boat while docking 50yrs ago in Greenpeace study written 30yrs is remotely relevant here. :lol:
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TheH2 wrote:
133743Hokie wrote: What's the Economists take?
Everyone should read credible sources more. An informed opinion is a hell of a lot better than unsubstantiated feelings.
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TheH2 wrote:
133743Hokie wrote: What's the Economists take?
Everyone should read credible sources more. An informed opinion is a hell of a lot better than unsubstantiated feelings.
Informed opinion vs. being told what to think. You lack the critical thinking skills to fall into the former.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote: Silly me, why did I spend over 20yrs studying and practicing as a naval mariner when I could have just googled a shitty irrelevant 80pg Greenpeace study and said "hey bro, but did you read this?"

You know what, those bridge watchstanders on the Fitzgerald should have just googled what to do and they could have avoided all of this. Someone should forward this link to the GAO (whose report mostly mirrors the observations in my linked article) and tell them they're wrong.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/navy- ... le/2633587
Great article, I believe it, and it doesn't dispute anything I said. To put it another way, the article and my point are not mutually exclusive. They can have collisions in the past and still be under trained!

I fail to see in the article where a few sensitivity classes were to blame.
I never said they weren't under trained.
I provided evidence that the Navy has historically had collisions with merchant ships, contrary to the assertion by the captain that "nailed it".

Our Navy is amazing, and overstretched. What they do for our country and the world is invaluable.

I think you need some help in logic and reasoning. At first I thought you just argued against a point that no one made to make yourself feel smart. Now I'm pretty sure it's a logic/reasoning problem.
You didn't even read the article. Now you've made yourself look like a dumbass trying to look smart.

By all means though Google ranger, tell me how a Russian submarine bumping into a tug boat while docking 50yrs ago in Greenpeace study written 30yrs is remotely relevant here. [emoji38]
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awesome guy wrote:[He's lost without an Economist article to mindlessly parrot.
He's probably very confused right now. :mrgreen:

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USN_Hokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:[He's lost without an Economist article to mindlessly parrot.
He's probably very confused right now. :mrgreen:

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USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:This interview nails it. Read the whole thing at the link.
http://inhomelandsecurity.com/reason-na ... t-vessels/

There is no way on my ships that would have happened. We always had direct leadership. Leadership that was there, present and capable. I am willing to bet that those ships involved in incidents with merchants had all their sexual orientation, transgender training, and environmental training all completed at the expense of the safety and operational training.

If you put the emphasis on social issues, you get a social force. If you put it on operational issues, you get an operational force.
Yeah, the Navy never hit merchant vessels in the past. Certainly never during Captain F's 20.
When I was in, you could count the major safety mishaps over the last 20yrs on one hand.... Radford, Gonzalez ("Groundzalez"), Greenville, La Moure County... I think that's it.

There have been that many in the last year alone. In fact, it's probably partially responsible for us not shooting down the last couple missiles rocket man has lobbed. It's been a huge impact.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/us/n ... erald.html
https://fas.org/wp-content/uploads/2014 ... 5-1988.pdf

In the 45-88 document there are a lot with merchant vessels.
Silly me, why did I spend over 20yrs studying and practicing as a naval mariner when I could have just googled a shitty irrelevant 80pg Greenpeace study and said "hey bro, but did you read this?"

You know what, those bridge watchstanders on the Fitzgerald should have just googled what to do and they could have avoided all of this. Someone should forward this link to the GAO (whose report mostly mirrors the observations in my linked article) and tell them they're wrong.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/navy- ... le/2633587
What does that article have to do with social training? The biggest training issues occurred in ships based overseas, because they spent significantly more time on operations, and significantly less time on training, because they needed them operational for longer periods of time than in the past. And when you add in longer maintenance periods, you have a lot less time available for training. The report says the US homeport ships are adequately trained. Now, if you're in a situation like that, you shouldn't be spending your training time learning about the gender alphabet, but we don't even know if the overseas homeport ships are getting that training.
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HokieFanDC wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:[
Yeah, the Navy never hit merchant vessels in the past. Certainly never during Captain F's 20.
When I was in, you could count the major safety mishaps over the last 20yrs on one hand.... Radford, Gonzalez ("Groundzalez"), Greenville, La Moure County... I think that's it.

There have been that many in the last year alone. In fact, it's probably partially responsible for us not shooting down the last couple missiles rocket man has lobbed. It's been a huge impact.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/us/n ... erald.html
https://fas.org/wp-content/uploads/2014 ... 5-1988.pdf

In the 45-88 document there are a lot with merchant vessels.
Silly me, why did I spend over 20yrs studying and practicing as a naval mariner when I could have just googled a shitty irrelevant 80pg Greenpeace study and said "hey bro, but did you read this?"

You know what, those bridge watchstanders on the Fitzgerald should have just googled what to do and they could have avoided all of this. Someone should forward this link to the GAO (whose report mostly mirrors the observations in my linked article) and tell them they're wrong.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/navy- ... le/2633587
What does that article have to do with social training? The biggest training issues occurred in ships based overseas, because they spent significantly more time on operations, and significantly less time on training, because they needed them operational for longer periods of time than in the past. And when you add in longer maintenance periods, you have a lot less time available for training. The report says the US homeport ships are adequately trained. Now, if you're in a situation like that, you shouldn't be spending your training time learning about the gender alphabet, but we don't even know if the overseas homeport ships are getting that training.[/quote]

1. You didn't read my original article. The quote I included was only one of his points.

2. Everyone, from Seaman Schmuckatelli to the CNO, completes the training.

3. Crew training was one of several items mentioned in the GAO report.
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HokieFanDC wrote: What does that article have to do with social training? The biggest training issues occurred in ships based overseas, because they spent significantly more time on operations, and significantly less time on training, because they needed them operational for longer periods of time than in the past. And when you add in longer maintenance periods, you have a lot less time available for training. The report says the US homeport ships are adequately trained. Now, if you're in a situation like that, you shouldn't be spending your training time learning about the gender alphabet, but we don't even know if the overseas homeport ships are getting that training.
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TheH2 wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote: What does that article have to do with social training? The biggest training issues occurred in ships based overseas, because they spent significantly more time on operations, and significantly less time on training, because they needed them operational for longer periods of time than in the past. And when you add in longer maintenance periods, you have a lot less time available for training. The report says the US homeport ships are adequately trained. Now, if you're in a situation like that, you shouldn't be spending your training time learning about the gender alphabet, but we don't even know if the overseas homeport ships are getting that training.
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You two bozos don't think that additional administrative training on liberal social issues doesn't impact real training? This is fascinating, you two should report your Google search results to the DoD! :lol:
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USN_Hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:[
Yeah, the Navy never hit merchant vessels in the past. Certainly never during Captain F's 20.
When I was in, you could count the major safety mishaps over the last 20yrs on one hand.... Radford, Gonzalez ("Groundzalez"), Greenville, La Moure County... I think that's it.

There have been that many in the last year alone. In fact, it's probably partially responsible for us not shooting down the last couple missiles rocket man has lobbed. It's been a huge impact.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/us/n ... erald.html
https://fas.org/wp-content/uploads/2014 ... 5-1988.pdf

In the 45-88 document there are a lot with merchant vessels.
Silly me, why did I spend over 20yrs studying and practicing as a naval mariner when I could have just googled a shitty irrelevant 80pg Greenpeace study and said "hey bro, but did you read this?"

You know what, those bridge watchstanders on the Fitzgerald should have just googled what to do and they could have avoided all of this. Someone should forward this link to the GAO (whose report mostly mirrors the observations in my linked article) and tell them they're wrong.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/navy- ... le/2633587
What does that article have to do with social training? The biggest training issues occurred in ships based overseas, because they spent significantly more time on operations, and significantly less time on training, because they needed them operational for longer periods of time than in the past. And when you add in longer maintenance periods, you have a lot less time available for training. The report says the US homeport ships are adequately trained. Now, if you're in a situation like that, you shouldn't be spending your training time learning about the gender alphabet, but we don't even know if the overseas homeport ships are getting that training.
1. You didn't read my original article. The quote I included was only one of his points.

2. Everyone, from Seaman Schmuckatelli to the CNO, completes the training.

3. Crew training was one of several items mentioned in the GAO report.[/quote]

I did read your original article. It was very light on the social training article, yet that's the thing you highlighted.

As for training, "In May 2015, we also found that high operational tempo for ships homeported overseas limits the time for crew training when compared with training time for ships homeported in the United States. Navy officials told us that U.S.-based crews are completely qualified and certified prior to deploying from their U.S. homeports, with few exceptions. In contrast, the high operational tempo of ships homeported overseas had resulted in what Navy personnel called a “train on the margins” approach, a shorthand way to say there was
no dedicated training time set aside for the ships so crews trained while underway or in the limited time between underway periods. We found that, at the time of our 2015 review, there were no dedicated training periods built into the operational schedules of the cruisers, destroyers, and amphibious ships homeported in Yokosuka and Sasebo, Japan. As a result, these crews did not have all of their needed training and certifications."
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Re: The Real Reason the US Navy Keeps Hitting Merchant Vesse

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USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote: What does that article have to do with social training? The biggest training issues occurred in ships based overseas, because they spent significantly more time on operations, and significantly less time on training, because they needed them operational for longer periods of time than in the past. And when you add in longer maintenance periods, you have a lot less time available for training. The report says the US homeport ships are adequately trained. Now, if you're in a situation like that, you shouldn't be spending your training time learning about the gender alphabet, but we don't even know if the overseas homeport ships are getting that training.
Everything!
You two bozos don't think that additional administrative training on liberal social issues doesn't impact real training? This is fascinating, you two should report your Google search results to the DoD! :lol:
I'm just going by the report you linked to. Or do you not trust it?
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