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Hurricane Maria

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Looks like Puerto Rico just took a direct hit. Truly awful, probably like Katrina x10 for them.

Maybe too early to say, but this will have some political ramifications. PR was already on the verge of the largest municipal bankruptcy in US history. And their economy has been so bad that they have lost population in the last decade (with Florida being the destination of choice). This storm may very well create an even more massive population surge to the mainland. Puerto Rican's tend to vote overwhelmingly Democrat, btw.
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The political ramifications came to my mind as well. If Hillary had won, I think there would be a huge move to make them the 51st state creating a permanent democrat majority.
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I85hokie wrote:Looks like Puerto Rico just took a direct hit. Truly awful, probably like Katrina x10 for them.

Maybe too early to say, but this will have some political ramifications. PR was already on the verge of the largest municipal bankruptcy in US history. And their economy has been so bad that they have lost population in the last decade (with Florida being the destination of choice). This storm may very well create an even more massive population surge to the mainland. Puerto Rican's tend to vote overwhelmingly Democrat, btw.
PR is screwed royally, alot of the structures will not be able to hold up to Maria and PR was also being used as the staging area for the rest of the islands as Irma did not hit PR hard. I feel for those folks in the Caribbean, it is going to be a hard go for quite some time
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USN_Hokie wrote:The political ramifications came to my mind as well. If Hillary had won, I think there would be a huge move to make them the 51st state creating a permanent democrat majority.
Did you find this storm to be acceptably strong?


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They were talking on the news this morning about wood houses with tin roofs. I don't understand how that exists in Puerto Rico. The entire Caribbean is a battering ram for hurricanes - how are they not big on making structures that can withstand them?
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BigDave wrote:They were talking on the news this morning about wood houses with tin roofs. I don't understand how that exists in Puerto Rico. The entire Caribbean is a battering ram for hurricanes - how are they not big on making structures that can withstand them?
Dave - I'm sure some of these islands have a GDP less than Richmond.


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ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:The political ramifications came to my mind as well. If Hillary had won, I think there would be a huge move to make them the 51st state creating a permanent democrat majority.
Did you find this storm to be acceptably strong?


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HokieHam wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:The political ramifications came to my mind as well. If Hillary had won, I think there would be a huge move to make them the 51st state creating a permanent democrat majority.
Did you find this storm to be acceptably strong?


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ip_law-hokie wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:The political ramifications came to my mind as well. If Hillary had won, I think there would be a huge move to make them the 51st state creating a permanent democrat majority.
Did you find this storm to be acceptably strong?


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We need to increase our green house gas output to make more man made hurricanes with acceptable strength.
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Helped create.


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That's a distinction without a difference; I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

If you knocked up a chick (God help us), you "helped create" it. That doesn't mean the woman could have had that baby without you (God help us). Ugh...should have picked a better analogy. :?

"caused" is functionally the same as "helped create" here. Global warming is a dependent variable in each instance.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:The political ramifications came to my mind as well. If Hillary had won, I think there would be a huge move to make them the 51st state creating a permanent democrat majority.
Did you find this storm to be acceptably strong?


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We need to increase our green house gas output to make more man made hurricanes with acceptable strength.
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Helped create.


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That's a distinction without a difference; I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

If you knocked up a chick (God help us), you "helped create" it. That doesn't mean the woman could have had that baby without you (God help us). Ugh...should have picked a better analogy. :?

"caused" is functionally the same as "helped create" here. Global warming is a dependent variable in each instance.
You can't comprehend how warmer water makes hurricanes stronger? Maybe you could do some wordsmithing and find a definition of "helped" that supports your theory.


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ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:The political ramifications came to my mind as well. If Hillary had won, I think there would be a huge move to make them the 51st state creating a permanent democrat majority.
Did you find this storm to be acceptably strong?


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We need to increase our green house gas output to make more man made hurricanes with acceptable strength.
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Helped create.


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That's a distinction without a difference; I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

If you knocked up a chick (God help us), you "helped create" it. That doesn't mean the woman could have had that baby without you (God help us). Ugh...should have picked a better analogy. :?

"caused" is functionally the same as "helped create" here. Global warming is a dependent variable in each instance.
You can't comprehend how warmer water makes hurricanes stronger? Maybe you could do some wordsmithing and find a definition of "helped" that supports your theory.


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It's only warmer by making the past colder(NOAA raw data edits) and adding in deep sea temps which are another new measuring capability. IE, warning is more liberal bullshit.
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awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote: Did you find this storm to be acceptably strong?


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We need to increase our green house gas output to make more man made hurricanes with acceptable strength.
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Helped create.


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That's a distinction without a difference; I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

If you knocked up a chick (God help us), you "helped create" it. That doesn't mean the woman could have had that baby without you (God help us). Ugh...should have picked a better analogy. :?

"caused" is functionally the same as "helped create" here. Global warming is a dependent variable in each instance.
You can't comprehend how warmer water makes hurricanes stronger? Maybe you could do some wordsmithing and find a definition of "helped" that supports your theory.


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It's only warmer by making the past colder(NOAA raw data edits) and adding in deep sea temps which are another new measuring capability. IE, warning is more liberal bullshit.
OK. Hope you are right.


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OK. Hope you are right.
In lite of recent revelations, I think we're fine...........

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/e ... wrong.html
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ip_law-hokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
HokieHam wrote: We need to increase our green house gas output to make more man made hurricanes with acceptable strength.
.

Helped create.


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That's a distinction without a difference; I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

If you knocked up a chick (God help us), you "helped create" it. That doesn't mean the woman could have had that baby without you (God help us). Ugh...should have picked a better analogy. :?

"caused" is functionally the same as "helped create" here. Global warming is a dependent variable in each instance.
You can't comprehend how warmer water makes hurricanes stronger? Maybe you could do some wordsmithing and find a definition of "helped" that supports your theory.


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It's only warmer by making the past colder(NOAA raw data edits) and adding in deep sea temps which are another new measuring capability. IE, warning is more liberal bullshit.
OK. Hope you are right.


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I am right. This isn't close to a record hurricane year and we'd already seen a bunch instead of a lull if you were right.
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ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:The political ramifications came to my mind as well. If Hillary had won, I think there would be a huge move to make them the 51st state creating a permanent democrat majority.
Did you find this storm to be acceptably strong?


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We need to increase our green house gas output to make more man made hurricanes with acceptable strength.
.

Helped create.


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That's a distinction without a difference; I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

If you knocked up a chick (God help us), you "helped create" it. That doesn't mean the woman could have had that baby without you (God help us). Ugh...should have picked a better analogy. :?

"caused" is functionally the same as "helped create" here. Global warming is a dependent variable in each instance.
You can't comprehend how warmer water makes hurricanes stronger? Maybe you could do some wordsmithing and find a definition of "helped" that supports your theory.


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You might want to sit down for this: warm water existed before the industrial revolution. :o
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USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote: Did you find this storm to be acceptably strong?


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We need to increase our green house gas output to make more man made hurricanes with acceptable strength.
.

Helped create.


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That's a distinction without a difference; I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

If you knocked up a chick (God help us), you "helped create" it. That doesn't mean the woman could have had that baby without you (God help us). Ugh...should have picked a better analogy. :?

"caused" is functionally the same as "helped create" here. Global warming is a dependent variable in each instance.
You can't comprehend how warmer water makes hurricanes stronger? Maybe you could do some wordsmithing and find a definition of "helped" that supports your theory.


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You might want to sit down for this: warm water existed before the industrial revolution. :o
This is where they claim the deep and barely measured currents are hiding all the nonexistent surface warming.
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awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:.

Helped create.


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That's a distinction without a difference; I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

If you knocked up a chick (God help us), you "helped create" it. That doesn't mean the woman could have had that baby without you (God help us). Ugh...should have picked a better analogy. :?

"caused" is functionally the same as "helped create" here. Global warming is a dependent variable in each instance.
You can't comprehend how warmer water makes hurricanes stronger? Maybe you could do some wordsmithing and find a definition of "helped" that supports your theory.


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It's only warmer by making the past colder(NOAA raw data edits) and adding in deep sea temps which are another new measuring capability. IE, warning is more liberal bullshit.
OK. Hope you are right.


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I am right. This isn't close to a record hurricane year and we'd already seen a bunch instead of a lull if you were right.
Awesome.


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ip_law-hokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote: That's a distinction without a difference; I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

If you knocked up a chick (God help us), you "helped create" it. That doesn't mean the woman could have had that baby without you (God help us). Ugh...should have picked a better analogy. :?

"caused" is functionally the same as "helped create" here. Global warming is a dependent variable in each instance.
You can't comprehend how warmer water makes hurricanes stronger? Maybe you could do some wordsmithing and find a definition of "helped" that supports your theory.


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It's only warmer by making the past colder(NOAA raw data edits) and adding in deep sea temps which are another new measuring capability. IE, warning is more liberal bullshit.
OK. Hope you are right.


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I am right. This isn't close to a record hurricane year and we'd already seen a bunch instead of a lull if you were right.
Awesome.


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It is! Don't you follow this stuff?
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awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote: You can't comprehend how warmer water makes hurricanes stronger? Maybe you could do some wordsmithing and find a definition of "helped" that supports your theory.


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It's only warmer by making the past colder(NOAA raw data edits) and adding in deep sea temps which are another new measuring capability. IE, warning is more liberal bullshit.
OK. Hope you are right.


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I am right. This isn't close to a record hurricane year and we'd already seen a bunch instead of a lull if you were right.
Awesome.


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It is! Don't you follow this stuff?
I try, though I'm not an expert.


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ip_law-hokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:It's only warmer by making the past colder(NOAA raw data edits) and adding in deep sea temps which are another new measuring capability. IE, warning is more liberal bullshit.
OK. Hope you are right.


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I am right. This isn't close to a record hurricane year and we'd already seen a bunch instead of a lull if you were right.
Awesome.


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It is! Don't you follow this stuff?
I try, though I'm not an expert.


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The data edits and claims of deep current heat hiding are well documented, so is all previous models being laughably off. I'm an agnostic in your religion of Gala worship so get a holistic view.
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BigDave wrote:They were talking on the news this morning about wood houses with tin roofs. I don't understand how that exists in Puerto Rico. The entire Caribbean is a battering ram for hurricanes - how are they not big on making structures that can withstand them?
little enforcement of any building codes and remember for instance PR has not been hit this hard in like 80 years, people thought they would be fine
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ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:The political ramifications came to my mind as well. If Hillary had won, I think there would be a huge move to make them the 51st state creating a permanent democrat majority.
Did you find this storm to be acceptably strong?


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We need to increase our green house gas output to make more man made hurricanes with acceptable strength.
.

Helped create.


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That's a distinction without a difference; I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

If you knocked up a chick (God help us), you "helped create" it. That doesn't mean the woman could have had that baby without you (God help us). Ugh...should have picked a better analogy. :?

"caused" is functionally the same as "helped create" here. Global warming is a dependent variable in each instance.
You can't comprehend how warmer water makes hurricanes stronger? Maybe you could do some wordsmithing and find a definition of "helped" that supports your theory.


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warm water and warmer water was around long before the 1960's or so. FYI, scientists are saying that the North Pole has gained a very large amount of ice.....so maybe the planet is changing and
there is little to nothing you or I do that will change that. Also FYI, even if the US was to shutter every single coal power plant in the country the rest of the planet is building them at a high rate so how are you going to change or stop the rest of the planet?

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Did you find this storm to be acceptably strong?


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We need to increase our green house gas output to make more man made hurricanes with acceptable strength.[/quote].

Helped create.


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That's a distinction without a difference; I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

If you knocked up a chick (God help us), you "helped create" it. That doesn't mean the woman could have had that baby without you (God help us). Ugh...should have picked a better analogy. :?

"caused" is functionally the same as "helped create" here. Global warming is a dependent variable in each instance.[/quote]

You can't comprehend how warmer water makes hurricanes stronger? Maybe you could do some wordsmithing and find a definition of "helped" that supports your theory.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]It's only warmer by making the past colder(NOAA raw data edits) and adding in deep sea temps which are another new measuring capability. IE, warning is more liberal bullshit.[/quote]

OK. Hope you are right.


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BigDave wrote:They were talking on the news this morning about wood houses with tin roofs. I don't understand how that exists in Puerto Rico. The entire Caribbean is a battering ram for hurricanes - how are they not big on making structures that can withstand them?
Imagine chocolate city New Orleans...now imagine it's an island in the Caribbean. I'm not surprised at all.
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awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote: OK. Hope you are right.


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I am right. This isn't close to a record hurricane year and we'd already seen a bunch instead of a lull if you were right.
Awesome.


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It is! Don't you follow this stuff?
I try, though I'm not an expert.


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The data edits and claims of deep current heat hiding are well documented, so is all previous models being laughably off. I'm an agnostic in your religion of Gala worship so get a holistic view.
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