Asplundh fined $95M for hiring illegals.

[USN_Hokie]

Nice. Remove the benefits, and they will self deport.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/0 ... 5-million/

[HokieFanDC]

Nice. Remove the benefits, and they will self deport.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/0 ... 5-million/

I use Asplundh when I get a bad case of the Felarcas.

[HokieJoe]

Nice. Remove the benefits, and they will self deport.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/0 ... 5-million/

Excellent news.

[Major Kong]

I use Asplundh when I get a bad case of the Felarcas.

[Major Kong]

I'd ask them a few weeks ago if they could do some work while they were in the area.

Me: Hey chicos mientras estás en el vecindario podría cortar algunas extremidades para mí?

Them: Nos gustaría, pero tendrías que hablar con nuestro jefe. Ha ido a Hickory a recoger dinero para pagarnos.

[BigDave]

Whey are the executives not being arrested? That sounds like enterprise corruption. (Or RICO. Because as we all know, everything is RICO.)

[Hokey Pokey]

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[cwtcr hokie]

Whey are the executives not being arrested? That sounds like enterprise corruption. (Or RICO. Because as we all know, everything is RICO.)

I don't think it is a criminal offense, just a penalty offense, not sure how they got by the I-9 though but the feds are making an example of them. Problem of course is finding americans willing to work that hard and take such a risky job

[BigDave]

Whey are the executives not being arrested? That sounds like enterprise corruption. (Or RICO. Because as we all know, everything is RICO.)

I don't think it is a criminal offense, just a penalty offense, not sure how they got by the I-9 though but the feds are making an example of them. Problem of course is finding americans willing to work that hard and take such a risky job

No, there is a criminal penalty if you "engage in a pattern or practice of violations".

https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB ... #0-0-0-324

(1) Criminal penalty.-Any person or entity which engages in a pattern or practice of violations of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2) shall be fined not more than $3,000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both, notwithstanding the provisions of any other Federal law relating to fine levels.

And RICO applies to basically any crime that a company commits (and explicitly mentions this section in the RICO statute). So yes, the executives could be charged with RICO.

[cwtcr hokie]

Whey are the executives not being arrested? That sounds like enterprise corruption. (Or RICO. Because as we all know, everything is RICO.)

I don't think it is a criminal offense, just a penalty offense, not sure how they got by the I-9 though but the feds are making an example of them. Problem of course is finding americans willing to work that hard and take such a risky job

No, there is a criminal penalty if you "engage in a pattern or practice of violations".

https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB ... #0-0-0-324

(1) Criminal penalty.-Any person or entity which engages in a pattern or practice of violations of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2) shall be fined not more than $3,000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both, notwithstanding the provisions of any other Federal law relating to fine levels.

And RICO applies to basically any crime that a company commits (and explicitly mentions this section in the RICO statute). So yes, the executives could be charged with RICO.

Asplundh is a big organization, who are you going to throw in jail, much more effective to levy a fine

[ip_law-hokie]

Whey are the executives not being arrested? That sounds like enterprise corruption. (Or RICO. Because as we all know, everything is RICO.)

I don't think it is a criminal offense, just a penalty offense, not sure how they got by the I-9 though but the feds are making an example of them. Problem of course is finding americans willing to work that hard and take such a risky job

No, there is a criminal penalty if you "engage in a pattern or practice of violations".

https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB ... #0-0-0-324

(1) Criminal penalty.-Any person or entity which engages in a pattern or practice of violations of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2) shall be fined not more than $3,000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both, notwithstanding the provisions of any other Federal law relating to fine levels.

And RICO applies to basically any crime that a company commits (and explicitly mentions this section in the RICO statute). So yes, the executives could be charged with RICO.

Asplundh is a big organization, who are you going to throw in jail, much more effective to levy a fine

More effective? I think if guys in the C-suite start serving time, then you'd see a lot more companies being more careful about hiring illegals. More effective than a fine.

But we all know this will never happen for multiple reasons. One of them not being ineffectiveness.


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[awesome guy]

Whey are the executives not being arrested? That sounds like enterprise corruption. (Or RICO. Because as we all know, everything is RICO.)

I don't think it is a criminal offense, just a penalty offense, not sure how they got by the I-9 though but the feds are making an example of them. Problem of course is finding americans willing to work that hard and take such a risky job

No, there is a criminal penalty if you "engage in a pattern or practice of violations".

https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB ... #0-0-0-324

(1) Criminal penalty.-Any person or entity which engages in a pattern or practice of violations of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2) shall be fined not more than $3,000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both, notwithstanding the provisions of any other Federal law relating to fine levels.

And RICO applies to basically any crime that a company commits (and explicitly mentions this section in the RICO statute). So yes, the executives could be charged with RICO.

Asplundh is a big organization, who are you going to throw in jail, much more effective to levy a fine

More effective? I think if guys in the C-suite start serving time, then you'd see a lot more companies being more careful about hiring illegals. More effective than a fine.

But we all know this will never happen for multiple reasons. One of them not being ineffectiveness.


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Dreaded head nod to IP, you're right

[ip_law-hokie]

Whey are the executives not being arrested? That sounds like enterprise corruption. (Or RICO. Because as we all know, everything is RICO.)

I don't think it is a criminal offense, just a penalty offense, not sure how they got by the I-9 though but the feds are making an example of them. Problem of course is finding americans willing to work that hard and take such a risky job

No, there is a criminal penalty if you "engage in a pattern or practice of violations".

https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB ... #0-0-0-324

(1) Criminal penalty.-Any person or entity which engages in a pattern or practice of violations of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2) shall be fined not more than $3,000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both, notwithstanding the provisions of any other Federal law relating to fine levels.

And RICO applies to basically any crime that a company commits (and explicitly mentions this section in the RICO statute). So yes, the executives could be charged with RICO.

Asplundh is a big organization, who are you going to throw in jail, much more effective to levy a fine

More effective? I think if guys in the C-suite start serving time, then you'd see a lot more companies being more careful about hiring illegals. More effective than a fine.

But we all know this will never happen for multiple reasons. One of them not being ineffectiveness.


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Dreaded head nod to IP, you're right

Would everything be back to being normal if I said one of those reasons is that (white) business people rarely serve time in this country?

You're welcome.


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[awesome guy]

I don't think it is a criminal offense, just a penalty offense, not sure how they got by the I-9 though but the feds are making an example of them. Problem of course is finding americans willing to work that hard and take such a risky job

No, there is a criminal penalty if you "engage in a pattern or practice of violations".

https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB ... #0-0-0-324

(1) Criminal penalty.-Any person or entity which engages in a pattern or practice of violations of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2) shall be fined not more than $3,000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both, notwithstanding the provisions of any other Federal law relating to fine levels.

And RICO applies to basically any crime that a company commits (and explicitly mentions this section in the RICO statute). So yes, the executives could be charged with RICO.

Asplundh is a big organization, who are you going to throw in jail, much more effective to levy a fine

More effective? I think if guys in the C-suite start serving time, then you'd see a lot more companies being more careful about hiring illegals. More effective than a fine.

But we all know this will never happen for multiple reasons. One of them not being ineffectiveness.


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Dreaded head nod to IP, you're right

Would everything be back to being normal if I said one of those reasons is that (white) business people rarely serve time in this country?

You're welcome.


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Thank you

[cwtcr hokie]

Whey are the executives not being arrested? That sounds like enterprise corruption. (Or RICO. Because as we all know, everything is RICO.)

I don't think it is a criminal offense, just a penalty offense, not sure how they got by the I-9 though but the feds are making an example of them. Problem of course is finding americans willing to work that hard and take such a risky job

No, there is a criminal penalty if you "engage in a pattern or practice of violations".

https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB ... #0-0-0-324

(1) Criminal penalty.-Any person or entity which engages in a pattern or practice of violations of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2) shall be fined not more than $3,000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both, notwithstanding the provisions of any other Federal law relating to fine levels.

And RICO applies to basically any crime that a company commits (and explicitly mentions this section in the RICO statute). So yes, the executives could be charged with RICO.

Asplundh is a big organization, who are you going to throw in jail, much more effective to levy a fine

More effective? I think if guys in the C-suite start serving time, then you'd see a lot more companies being more careful about hiring illegals. More effective than a fine.

But we all know this will never happen for multiple reasons. One of them not being ineffectiveness.


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except the guys in the c-suite never see the I-9's and have no idea who is hired, just the number of people hired. The point being the person you are throwing in jail in a big company like that is some low level HR Manager.... thus why it is ineffective while a big fine that impacts the income statement and is not tax deductible is a huge red flag for the c-suite

[USN_Hokie]

except the guys in the c-suite never see the I-9's and have no idea who is hired, just the number of people hired. The point being the person you are throwing in jail in a big company like that is some low level HR Manager.... thus why it is ineffective while a big fine that impacts the income statement and is not tax deductible is a huge red flag for the c-suite

Arguments like that don't fly in the military.