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Trump cutting Obamacare subsidies

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This looks like it could be big. Trump is accelerating the demise of Obamacare, forcing R's to action just before the election.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/1 ... idy-243736
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It's a legit action. The funding is not in the budget; there is no legal mechanism for paying the insurers. Congress has just gone along with the Obama administration in allowing these "illegal" payments. Just another piece of the ACA that wasn't detailed. Good on Trump for adhering to the letter of the law.

Just another step forward in forcing Congress to take action on this horrible bill. It might hurt a little, but if it gets us to a better place sooner rather than later then I'm okay with that. We can't get deeper and deeper into the chasm that is the ACA or we'll never get out.
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133743Hokie wrote:It's a legit action. The funding is not in the budget; there is no legal mechanism for paying the insurers. Congress has just gone along with the Obama administration in allowing these "illegal" payments. Just another piece of the ACA that wasn't detailed. Good on Trump for adhering to the letter of the law.
Yep. It's amazing what the previous administration got away with.
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133743Hokie wrote:It's a legit action. The funding is not in the budget; there is no legal mechanism for paying the insurers. Congress has just gone along with the Obama administration in allowing these "illegal" payments. Just another piece of the ACA that wasn't detailed. Good on Trump for adhering to the letter of the law.

Just another step forward in forcing Congress to take action on this horrible bill. It might hurt a little, but if it gets us to a better place sooner rather than later then I'm okay with that. We can't get deeper and deeper into the chasm that is the ACA or we'll never get out.
exactly correct, the payments were illegal to start with. check out the comments in articles on it tho, there is so much bad info out there on obamacare. It is amazing that people are still saying it is the best thing ever considering the shape it is in now, much less after the EO's
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133743Hokie wrote:It's a legit action. The funding is not in the budget; there is no legal mechanism for paying the insurers. Congress has just gone along with the Obama administration in allowing these "illegal" payments. Just another piece of the ACA that wasn't detailed. Good on Trump for adhering to the letter of the law.

Just another step forward in forcing Congress to take action on this horrible bill. It might hurt a little, but if it gets us to a better place sooner rather than later then I'm okay with that. We can't get deeper and deeper into the chasm that is the ACA or we'll never get out.
The legality was being settled in court.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.
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TheH2 wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:It's a legit action. The funding is not in the budget; there is no legal mechanism for paying the insurers. Congress has just gone along with the Obama administration in allowing these "illegal" payments. Just another piece of the ACA that wasn't detailed. Good on Trump for adhering to the letter of the law.

Just another step forward in forcing Congress to take action on this horrible bill. It might hurt a little, but if it gets us to a better place sooner rather than later then I'm okay with that. We can't get deeper and deeper into the chasm that is the ACA or we'll never get out.
The legality was being settled in court.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.
H2, the white knight for statism, enters the ring. :lol:
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USN_Hokie wrote: H2, the white knight for statism, enters the ring. :lol:
there is so much bad info out there on obamacare.
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Trump took it out of the hands of the court, which is in his power.

What has been mandated by a stroke of a pen can also be taken away by the stroke of a pen.
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Major Kong wrote:Trump took it out of the hands of the court, which is in his power.

What has been mandated by a stroke of a pen can also be taken away by the stroke of a pen.
Correct:
TheH2 wrote: The legality was being settled in court.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.
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TheH2 wrote:
Major Kong wrote:Trump took it out of the hands of the court, which is in his power.

What has been mandated by a stroke of a pen can also be taken away by the stroke of a pen.
Correct:
TheH2 wrote: The legality was being settled in court.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.
Nice try. You were arguing for their continuation.
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TheH2 wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:It's a legit action. The funding is not in the budget; there is no legal mechanism for paying the insurers. Congress has just gone along with the Obama administration in allowing these "illegal" payments. Just another piece of the ACA that wasn't detailed. Good on Trump for adhering to the letter of the law.

Just another step forward in forcing Congress to take action on this horrible bill. It might hurt a little, but if it gets us to a better place sooner rather than later then I'm okay with that. We can't get deeper and deeper into the chasm that is the ACA or we'll never get out.
The legality was being settled in court.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.
Actually the payments were not appropriated therefore they ARE illegal until a court rules otherwise.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
Major Kong wrote:Trump took it out of the hands of the court, which is in his power.

What has been mandated by a stroke of a pen can also be taken away by the stroke of a pen.
Correct:
TheH2 wrote: The legality was being settled in court.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.
Nice try. You were arguing for their continuation.
Yeah.....that one was pretty evident....
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USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
Major Kong wrote:Trump took it out of the hands of the court, which is in his power.

What has been mandated by a stroke of a pen can also be taken away by the stroke of a pen.
Correct:
TheH2 wrote: The legality was being settled in court.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.
Nice try. You were arguing for their continuation.
My grammar is poor but I do understand the difference between is and was. I'm not sure how you read what I wrote and think I'm arguing for anything.
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133743Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:It's a legit action. The funding is not in the budget; there is no legal mechanism for paying the insurers. Congress has just gone along with the Obama administration in allowing these "illegal" payments. Just another piece of the ACA that wasn't detailed. Good on Trump for adhering to the letter of the law.

Just another step forward in forcing Congress to take action on this horrible bill. It might hurt a little, but if it gets us to a better place sooner rather than later then I'm okay with that. We can't get deeper and deeper into the chasm that is the ACA or we'll never get out.
The legality was being settled in court.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.
Actually the payments were not appropriated therefore they ARE illegal until a court rules otherwise.
Allowed to challenge and continue to make payments, therefore not illegal.
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TheH2 wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:It's a legit action. The funding is not in the budget; there is no legal mechanism for paying the insurers. Congress has just gone along with the Obama administration in allowing these "illegal" payments. Just another piece of the ACA that wasn't detailed. Good on Trump for adhering to the letter of the law.

Just another step forward in forcing Congress to take action on this horrible bill. It might hurt a little, but if it gets us to a better place sooner rather than later then I'm okay with that. We can't get deeper and deeper into the chasm that is the ACA or we'll never get out.
The legality was being settled in court.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.
Actually the payments were not appropriated therefore they ARE illegal until a court rules otherwise.
Allowed to challenge and continue to make payments, therefore not illegal.
Illegal, but allowed to continue until resolved in court.
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HokieHam wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
Major Kong wrote:Trump took it out of the hands of the court, which is in his power.

What has been mandated by a stroke of a pen can also be taken away by the stroke of a pen.
Correct:
TheH2 wrote: The legality was being settled in court.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.
Nice try. You were arguing for their continuation.
Yeah.....that one was pretty evident....
How was I arguing for anything in that statement? I was just stating it wasn't illegal. You guys can't read for $hit.
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TheH2 wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
Major Kong wrote:Trump took it out of the hands of the court, which is in his power.

What has been mandated by a stroke of a pen can also be taken away by the stroke of a pen.
Correct:
TheH2 wrote: The legality was being settled in court.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.
Nice try. You were arguing for their continuation.
Yeah.....that one was pretty evident....
How was I arguing for anything in that statement? I was just stating it wasn't illegal. You guys can't read for $hit.
Your saying the payments were not illegal. They were. Period.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:It's a legit action. The funding is not in the budget; there is no legal mechanism for paying the insurers. Congress has just gone along with the Obama administration in allowing these "illegal" payments. Just another piece of the ACA that wasn't detailed. Good on Trump for adhering to the letter of the law.
Yep. It's amazing what the previous administration got away with.
Yeah, it's amazing that they got away with challenging ruling in courts. Communist! LOCK HIM UP! And that's why it's hard to take your opinion seriously.
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HokieHam wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
Major Kong wrote:Trump took it out of the hands of the court, which is in his power.

What has been mandated by a stroke of a pen can also be taken away by the stroke of a pen.
Correct:
TheH2 wrote: The legality was being settled in court.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.
Nice try. You were arguing for their continuation.
Yeah.....that one was pretty evident....
How was I arguing for anything in that statement? I was just stating it wasn't illegal. You guys can't read for $hit.
Your saying the payments were not illegal.
Exactly, that's all I was saying.
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USN_Hokie wrote:This looks like it could be big. Trump is accelerating the demise of Obamacare, forcing R's to action just before the election.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/1 ... idy-243736
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TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:It's a legit action. The funding is not in the budget; there is no legal mechanism for paying the insurers. Congress has just gone along with the Obama administration in allowing these "illegal" payments. Just another piece of the ACA that wasn't detailed. Good on Trump for adhering to the letter of the law.
Yep. It's amazing what the previous administration got away with.
Yeah, it's amazing that they got away with challenging ruling in courts. Communist! LOCK HIM UP! And that's why it's hard to take your opinion seriously.
You sound really upset by this given your postings in this thread.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand there was no authority given by congress for those payments. This is how a non-statist government is run...and is, by all indications, an excellent chess move by Trump.
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TheH2 wrote: Exactly, that's all I was saying.
There is/was no legal mechanism for the subsidies.

Congress controls the purse strings, not the President. Acknowledging that he can stop the payments is admittance they were illegal.
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133743Hokie wrote:It's a legit action. The funding is not in the budget; there is no legal mechanism for paying the insurers. Congress has just gone along with the Obama administration in allowing these "illegal" payments. Just another piece of the ACA that wasn't detailed. Good on Trump for adhering to the letter of the law.

Just another step forward in forcing Congress to take action on this horrible bill. It might hurt a little, but if it gets us to a better place sooner rather than later then I'm okay with that. We can't get deeper and deeper into the chasm that is the ACA or we'll never get out.
But, but, but the democrats tell me millions of people are going to die now and that thus executive order is racist
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USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:It's a legit action. The funding is not in the budget; there is no legal mechanism for paying the insurers. Congress has just gone along with the Obama administration in allowing these "illegal" payments. Just another piece of the ACA that wasn't detailed. Good on Trump for adhering to the letter of the law.
Yep. It's amazing what the previous administration got away with.
Yeah, it's amazing that they got away with challenging ruling in courts. Communist! LOCK HIM UP! And that's why it's hard to take your opinion seriously.
You sound really upset by this given your postings in this thread.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand there was no authority given by congress for those payments. This is how a non-statist government is run...and is, by all indications, an excellent chess move by Trump.
Love the upset bit. Not upset at all, just mocking your post. From the awful reading comprehension to being amazed at how much Obama got away with while going through the courts.

Statist governments use the courts! It's a stupid opinion and the outrage you have puts all your posts into perspective.
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TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:It's a legit action. The funding is not in the budget; there is no legal mechanism for paying the insurers. Congress has just gone along with the Obama administration in allowing these "illegal" payments. Just another piece of the ACA that wasn't detailed. Good on Trump for adhering to the letter of the law.
Yep. It's amazing what the previous administration got away with.
Yeah, it's amazing that they got away with challenging ruling in courts. Communist! LOCK HIM UP! And that's why it's hard to take your opinion seriously.
You sound really upset by this given your postings in this thread.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand there was no authority given by congress for those payments. This is how a non-statist government is run...and is, by all indications, an excellent chess move by Trump.
Love the upset bit. Not upset at all, just mocking your post. From the awful reading comprehension to being amazed at how much Obama got away with while going through the courts.

Statist governments use the courts! It's a stupid opinion and the outrage you have puts all your posts into perspective.
Not sure you understand any of the words you're using. Better luck next time.
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