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Sitting on a bike this morning at the gym where there are a few TVs to watch, sitting side by side are Fox and CNN. On the Fox channel it read, "Trump discontinues Obamacare subsidies" On the CNN channel it read, "Trump discontinues subsidies for the poor". I had to get up and go lift some weights.
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RWNJ wrote:Sitting on a bike this morning at the gym where there are a few TVs to watch, sitting side by side are Fox and CNN. On the Fox channel it read, "Trump discontinues Obamacare subsidies" On the CNN channel it read, "Trump discontinues subsidies for the poor". I had to get up and go lift some weights.
The irony being that the President doesn't pay them. Congress does...and they didn't.
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TheH2 wrote:
HokieHam wrote: Your saying the payments were not illegal.
Exactly, that's all I was saying.
Just to rub it in.....
Judge Rules Administration Illegally Delivering Funds To Insurers Participating In Obamacare

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothec ... obamacare/
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USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
HokieHam wrote: Your saying the payments were not illegal.
Exactly, that's all I was saying.
Just to rub it in.....
Judge Rules Administration Illegally Delivering Funds To Insurers Participating In Obamacare

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothec ... obamacare/
You are so stupid. That's why it was appealed which I said from the very beginning.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.

Nice to see you figured out how to use Google though. Good job!
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TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
HokieHam wrote: Your saying the payments were not illegal.
Exactly, that's all I was saying.
Just to rub it in.....
Judge Rules Administration Illegally Delivering Funds To Insurers Participating In Obamacare

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothec ... obamacare/
You are so stupid. That's why it was appealed which I said from the very beginning.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.

Nice to see you figured out how to use Google though. Good job!
You can't be this stupid. The payments were ruled illegal. The judge issued a stay on her ruling. Nothing more. They were ruled illegal.

Never go full retard, H2.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
HokieHam wrote: Your saying the payments were not illegal.
Exactly, that's all I was saying.
Just to rub it in.....
Judge Rules Administration Illegally Delivering Funds To Insurers Participating In Obamacare

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothec ... obamacare/
You are so stupid. That's why it was appealed which I said from the very beginning.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.

Nice to see you figured out how to use Google though. Good job!
You can't be this stupid. The payments were ruled illegal. The judge issued a stay on her ruling. Nothing more. They were ruled illegal.

Never go full retard, H2.
Obama got away with appealing a ruling. How dare him use the court system. Statist. You are "full retard." The fact that you thought you were rubbing something that was implied by my initial response is telling to anyone that is not "full retard." Next time use Google a little earlier.
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TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
HokieHam wrote: Your saying the payments were not illegal.
Exactly, that's all I was saying.
Just to rub it in.....
Judge Rules Administration Illegally Delivering Funds To Insurers Participating In Obamacare

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothec ... obamacare/
You are so stupid. That's why it was appealed which I said from the very beginning.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.

Nice to see you figured out how to use Google though. Good job!
You can't be this stupid. The payments were ruled illegal. The judge issued a stay on her ruling. Nothing more. They were ruled illegal.

Never go full retard, H2.
Obama got away with appealing a ruling. How dare him use the court system. Statist. You are "full retard." The fact that you thought you were rubbing something that was implied by my initial response is telling to anyone that is not "full retard." Next time use Google a little earlier.
The judge ruled them illegal in her own words. You're an idiot.

And you look like an even bigger idiot by trying to argue that somebody being sued for exceeding their constitutional authority is evidence that they're not a statist. I really don't think you even know what a statist is. That's okay most statists don't.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote: Exactly, that's all I was saying.
Just to rub it in.....
Judge Rules Administration Illegally Delivering Funds To Insurers Participating In Obamacare

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothec ... obamacare/
You are so stupid. That's why it was appealed which I said from the very beginning.

The payments were not illegal because it was under appeal.

Nice to see you figured out how to use Google though. Good job!
You can't be this stupid. The payments were ruled illegal. The judge issued a stay on her ruling. Nothing more. They were ruled illegal.

Never go full retard, H2.
Obama got away with appealing a ruling. How dare him use the court system. Statist. You are "full retard." The fact that you thought you were rubbing something that was implied by my initial response is telling to anyone that is not "full retard." Next time use Google a little earlier.
The judge ruled them illegal in her own words. You're an idiot.

And you look like an even bigger idiot by trying to argue that somebody being sued for exceeding their constitutional authority is evidence that they're not a statist. I really don't think you even know what a statist is. That's okay most statists don't.
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133743Hokie wrote:It's a legit action. The funding is not in the budget; there is no legal mechanism for paying the insurers. Congress has just gone along with the Obama administration in allowing these "illegal" payments. Just another piece of the ACA that wasn't detailed. Good on Trump for adhering to the letter of the law.

Just another step forward in forcing Congress to take action on this horrible bill. It might hurt a little, but if it gets us to a better place sooner rather than later then I'm okay with that. We can't get deeper and deeper into the chasm that is the ACA or we'll never get out.

Going to be interesting to see if trump voters out philosophy over their balance sheets. This doesn't hurt wealthy educated folks, it hurts the poor in trump states. Bless them if they hold to their ideals over their own self interest.

Also,I am no fan of obamacare or trumpcare as some now call it. Repealing it is easy, finding a better plan that can escape the big medical and Rx drug lobbies is the hard part.
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fatman wrote: Going to be interesting to see if trump voters out philosophy over their balance sheets. This doesn't hurt wealthy educated folks, it hurts the poor in trump states. Bless them if they hold to their ideals over their own self interest.

Also,I am no fan of obamacare or trumpcare as some now call it. Repealing it is easy, finding a better plan that can escape the big medical and Rx drug lobbies is the hard part.
The plaintiff in the lawsuit is the US House of Representatives arguing the president doesn't have the authority to pay the subsidies, to which a lower court has already agreed. The electorate should hold congress responsible, though I admit that's not always how optics work...
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fatman wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:It's a legit action. The funding is not in the budget; there is no legal mechanism for paying the insurers. Congress has just gone along with the Obama administration in allowing these "illegal" payments. Just another piece of the ACA that wasn't detailed. Good on Trump for adhering to the letter of the law.

Just another step forward in forcing Congress to take action on this horrible bill. It might hurt a little, but if it gets us to a better place sooner rather than later then I'm okay with that. We can't get deeper and deeper into the chasm that is the ACA or we'll never get out.

Going to be interesting to see if trump voters out philosophy over their balance sheets. This doesn't hurt wealthy educated folks, it hurts the poor in trump states. Bless them if they hold to their ideals over their own self interest.

Also,I am no fan of obamacare or trumpcare as some now call it. Repealing it is easy, finding a better plan that can escape the big medical and Rx drug lobbies is the hard part.
This isn't on Trump. It's squarely on congress for allowing Obama to act unilaterally and unlawfully. They abdicated their responsibility to the people. Trump is forcing them to do their jobs.

I still say Trump needs to call Schumer and Pelosi to the WH for a meeting, then hold a press conference afterward laying the whole of the failure of Obamacare at the feet of the democratic party and telling them its up to them to fix it. The repubs are stepping aside and its now up to the democrats to caucus and present a solution.
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USN_Hokie wrote: And you look like an even bigger idiot by trying to argue that somebody being sued for exceeding their constitutional authority is evidence that they're not a statist. I really don't think you even know what a statist is. That's okay most statists don't.
USN_Hokie wrote:Yep. It's amazing what the previous administration got away with.
Yeah, it's amazing Obama got away with continuing making payments after the judge stayed her judgement which allowed the payments to proceed. How dare him get away with an appeal and continuing to make payments, which were allowed to by the courts.

Lock him up! When the idiot on the board calls someone else an idiot it's meaningless.
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TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote: And you look like an even bigger idiot by trying to argue that somebody being sued for exceeding their constitutional authority is evidence that they're not a statist. I really don't think you even know what a statist is. That's okay most statists don't.
USN_Hokie wrote:Yep. It's amazing what the previous administration got away with.
Yeah, it's amazing Obama got away with continuing making payments after the judge stayed her judgement which allowed the payments to proceed. How dare him get away with an appeal and continuing to make payments, which were allowed to by the courts.

Lock him up! When the idiot on the board calls someone else an idiot it's meaningless.
Who did you call an idiot?
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TheH2 wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote: And you look like an even bigger idiot by trying to argue that somebody being sued for exceeding their constitutional authority is evidence that they're not a statist. I really don't think you even know what a statist is. That's okay most statists don't.
USN_Hokie wrote:Yep. It's amazing what the previous administration got away with.
Yeah, it's amazing Obama got away with continuing making payments after the judge stayed her judgement which allowed the payments to proceed. How dare him get away with an appeal and continuing to make payments, which were allowed to by the courts.

Lock him up! When the idiot on the board calls someone else an idiot it's meaningless.
what part of a prez cannot spend funds, only congress can (as written in our constitution) is confusing. Obummer was wrong, any judge that sided with him is a complete idiot.
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USN_Hokie wrote:This looks like it could be big. Trump is accelerating the demise of Obamacare, forcing R's to action just before the election.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/1 ... idy-243736
https://www.wsj.com/articles/senators-r ... 1508266282


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ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:This looks like it could be big. Trump is accelerating the demise of Obamacare, forcing R's to action just before the election.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/1 ... idy-243736
https://www.wsj.com/articles/senators-r ... 1508266282


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