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...the perpetrator on the condition on non-disclosure, how is that in any way different from prostitution?

In both instances, the parties mutually agreed to a value on the woman's body. The only difference with the Weinstein women is that the negotiation occurred after the fact when the women had more negotiating leverage.

Weinstein is scum for sure, that's not what this thread is about. I'm having a hard time finding an iota of sympathy for the women who accepted big checks in exchange for shutting up and allowing more women to cross paths with this guy. They're really just simple prostitutes at that point.
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My wife was asking that same question...she was pissed at the "moral" feminist conscious of Hollywood taking the $$$ and leaving the predator(s) to terrorize women again.
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I take your point, but disagree generally.

A woman especially wrt weinstein, has her career on the line. If she blows...the whistle, she will "never work in this town again." Her dreams and plans and everything are over. So, here is $50,000 and a decent role in the next mel gibson picture, or she can fight the monster of hollywood and all the money that can be brought to bear to make her look like a slut who was just begging for it, working to advance her own career at the expense of that nice harvey fella. And she will never work in this town again.

A prostitute and her customer make a deal BEFORE the sex. This is after.

Can she prove it? Can she win a case? Will he be punished if she does? If she loses can she afford lawyers' fees when the other side intentionally drags out the process? And is it worth giving up everything she has ever wanted to send some randy old butt head to....three months house arrest and six months probation?

What if you were beaten by a wealthy NFL player. He was drunk and he thought you were looking at his date (while his wife was out of town). He beats you stupid, overnight in the hospital, stitches, can't go to work for a month. He is a high profile player. Doesn't want his wife to know the details and he has zillions of dollars of endorsements that would go away if the truth got out. He will pay all your medical bills, your salary while you are out of work and one million dollars. To not say anything about this. Plus you can stay at his buddy's vegas hotel penthouse any time you want to.

Would you do it? Would you be tempted?

Are you the same as a guy who gets paid to get beat up? (If there is such a thing.)

Easy to criticize the women here and there is merit to it. But i don't think it's fair and it's clearly not fair to say they are the same as prostitutes.


USN_Hokie wrote:...the perpetrator on the condition on non-disclosure, how is that in any way different from prostitution?

In both instances, the parties mutually agreed to a value on the woman's body. The only difference with the Weinstein women is that the negotiation occurred after the fact when the women had more negotiating leverage.

Weinstein is scum for sure, that's not what this thread is about. I'm having a hard time finding an iota of sympathy for the women who accepted big checks in exchange for shutting up and allowing more women to cross paths with this guy. They're really just simple prostitutes at that point.
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Oak - if what you say was true, Weinstein wouldn't pay the women a dime, would he? He paid them because he had something to lose worth paying for. The women who accepted payments or movie roles in exchange knew that.

Did you hear the recording of him with the Italian model? Between the two of them, who was in the position of higher power? The model, or the pathetic old man saying "please, please, please" a hundred times?

As for your analogy - that's a description of payments for physical damage, loss of work, etc. We have words to describe people who exchange (ability to) work in exchange for money, and we have words to describe people who exchange their bodies in exchange for money (prostitutes).

Whether we call them prostitutes or not isn't that material to me - point is, neither (the man beat up, or Weinstein's date) of the them are victims at that point. Worse, their silence allowed others to be attacked. Wouldn't you agree?
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I agree that the silence is a license for the perpetrator to assault again. And that is a shame.

I imagine a conversation like this:

Ms jones, as mr weinstein's attorney i must tell you that we are deeply saddened both by your misunderstanding of the invents of the night in question and your threats against my client. Nonetheless, we are willing to offer a settlement that will satisfy both parties. We can offer you $50,000 and a good supporting role in mel gibson's next feature that starts shooting next month. There is already lots of buzz about the film and it could be a great chance for a young aspiring actress. Have you met mr gibson, nice man, you'll like him.

If you reject the offer, we will be left with no choice but to defend the honor of mr weinstein...did you know he gave $700,000 to N.O.W. last year and $100,000 to a rape crisis center in LA? Litigating things like this can take months or years during which your career would necessarily be on hold. I don't know how much your attorneys would charge, but they will need lots of money to bring this case. Are you still a waitress at that diner on melrose? I hope you will see the logic in our position. And mr weinstein wanted me to tell you how sorry he is for the misunderstanding of the events of sept 22.

Oh and i had a chance to see you in that soft porn movie you made a few years ago. When you were 16. You have talent. It would be great to see it on the big screen.

Here is my card, i will need to hear from you by tomorrow.

Better put some ice on that...

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My point swabbie is that the victims in things like this may not have good options. If they win, they lose. If they lose, they lose.

It would be better for society if they came forward. But maybe they don't want to be a martyr.


Weinstein wants to keep this quiet. He can probably win in court legally, but the publicity would be very damaging. So yes, he has something to lose. But so does the victim. And she would lose a lot more no matter how the jury decides.

USN_Hokie wrote:Oak - if what you say was true, Weinstein wouldn't pay the women a dime, would he? He paid them because he had something to lose worth paying for. The women who accepted payments or movie roles in exchange knew that.

Did you hear the recording of him with the Italian model? Between the two of them, who was in the position of higher power? The model, or the pathetic old man saying "please, please, please" a hundred times?

As for your analogy - that's a description of payments for physical damage, loss of work, etc. We have words to describe people who exchange (ability to) work in exchange for money, and we have words to describe people who exchange their bodies in exchange for money (prostitutes).

Whether we call them prostitutes or not isn't that material to me - point is, neither (the man beat up, or Weinstein's date) of the them are victims at that point. Worse, their silence allowed others to be attacked. Wouldn't you agree?
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The real issue is "women" that protect rapists that have their same political ideology by allowing them to grope them and giving them blow jobs against their will but cry and fight for "positive consent" laws on college campuses because white frat boys are republican- THAT is the real problem
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That reads a whole lot like a solicitation to a prostitute (with a little blackmail sprinkled in). I bet the womens' counter offers had some blackmail sprinkled in as well.
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USN_Hokie wrote:...the perpetrator on the condition on non-disclosure, how is that in any way different from prostitution?

In both instances, the parties mutually agreed to a value on the woman's body. The only difference with the Weinstein women is that the negotiation occurred after the fact when the women had more negotiating leverage.

Weinstein is scum for sure, that's not what this thread is about. I'm having a hard time finding an iota of sympathy for the women who accepted big checks in exchange for shutting up and allowing more women to cross paths with this guy. They're really just simple prostitutes at that point.

Agree. Rose McGowan was the only chick with a backbone. Hate to blame the victims but suing for $ doesn't help the common good, criminal cases do.
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