All the angst over congress extending funding for the CHIP

[133743Hokie]

program; doesn't the ACA cover all of these low income kids? If not, why not, as the ACA was designed to help and expand the base of low income people without insurance. Seems CHIP shouldn't be necessary anymore, unless the ACA isn't really doing what it was supposed to.

[Jack Galt]

It's doing exactly what it was designed to do. Jacking up rates. Providing coverage that people don't want to pay for and can't opt out. Getting people like ip to cry for single payer, even though he knows not for what he cries.

There's a reason Obama delayed the roll out until after he was re-elected. If he had actually enforced the law, he would have lost. Now that someone else is in office, the Democrats that passed this law can cry things like "we for the chil'ren", "if you take it away, people will die", and "prices are getting too high! Single-payer!"

[133743Hokie]

It's doing exactly what it was designed to do. Jacking up rates. Providing coverage that people don't want to pay for and can't opt out. Getting people like ip to cry for single payer, even though he knows not for what he cries.

There's a reason Obama delayed the roll out until after he was re-elected. If he had actually enforced the law, he would have lost. Now that someone else is in office, the Democrats that passed this law can cry things like "we for the chil'ren", "if you take it away, people will die", and "prices are getting too high! Single-payer!"

Great rant against Obamacare, but you didn't address the question. Why does CHIP exist now that we have Obamacare? Shouldn't it have rendered CHIP obsolete?

[Jack Galt]

It's doing exactly what it was designed to do. Jacking up rates. Providing coverage that people don't want to pay for and can't opt out. Getting people like ip to cry for single payer, even though he knows not for what he cries.

There's a reason Obama delayed the roll out until after he was re-elected. If he had actually enforced the law, he would have lost. Now that someone else is in office, the Democrats that passed this law can cry things like "we for the chil'ren", "if you take it away, people will die", and "prices are getting too high! Single-payer!"

Great rant against Obamacare, but you didn't address the question. Why does CHIP exist now that we have Obamacare? Shouldn't it have rendered CHIP obsolete?

Sorry, addressed the question about whether PPACA was doing what it was supposed to do.

Here's an article from the Kaiser Family Foundation that describes what a convoluted mess all this is. It addresses your question.

https://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue ... d-the-aca/

[ip_law-hokie]

It's doing exactly what it was designed to do. Jacking up rates. Providing coverage that people don't want to pay for and can't opt out. Getting people like ip to cry for single payer, even though he knows not for what he cries.

There's a reason Obama delayed the roll out until after he was re-elected. If he had actually enforced the law, he would have lost. Now that someone else is in office, the Democrats that passed this law can cry things like "we for the chil'ren", "if you take it away, people will die", and "prices are getting too high! Single-payer!"

Great rant against Obamacare, but you didn't address the question. Why does CHIP exist now that we have Obamacare? Shouldn't it have rendered CHIP obsolete?

Sorry, addressed the question about whether PPACA was doing what it was supposed to do.

Here's an article from the Kaiser Family Foundation that describes what a convoluted mess all this is. It addresses your question.

https://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue ... d-the-aca/

The article states that 1 in 3 children are covered by Medicaid and CHIP.

Single payer.


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[133743Hokie]

It's doing exactly what it was designed to do. Jacking up rates. Providing coverage that people don't want to pay for and can't opt out. Getting people like ip to cry for single payer, even though he knows not for what he cries.

There's a reason Obama delayed the roll out until after he was re-elected. If he had actually enforced the law, he would have lost. Now that someone else is in office, the Democrats that passed this law can cry things like "we for the chil'ren", "if you take it away, people will die", and "prices are getting too high! Single-payer!"

Great rant against Obamacare, but you didn't address the question. Why does CHIP exist now that we have Obamacare? Shouldn't it have rendered CHIP obsolete?

Sorry, addressed the question about whether PPACA was doing what it was supposed to do.

Here's an article from the Kaiser Family Foundation that describes what a convoluted mess all this is. It addresses your question.

https://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue ... d-the-aca/

The article states that 1 in 3 children are covered by Medicaid and CHIP.

Single payer.


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That article, and the statistics, are pre ACA

[ip_law-hokie]

It's doing exactly what it was designed to do. Jacking up rates. Providing coverage that people don't want to pay for and can't opt out. Getting people like ip to cry for single payer, even though he knows not for what he cries.

There's a reason Obama delayed the roll out until after he was re-elected. If he had actually enforced the law, he would have lost. Now that someone else is in office, the Democrats that passed this law can cry things like "we for the chil'ren", "if you take it away, people will die", and "prices are getting too high! Single-payer!"

Great rant against Obamacare, but you didn't address the question. Why does CHIP exist now that we have Obamacare? Shouldn't it have rendered CHIP obsolete?

Sorry, addressed the question about whether PPACA was doing what it was supposed to do.

Here's an article from the Kaiser Family Foundation that describes what a convoluted mess all this is. It addresses your question.

https://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue ... d-the-aca/

The article states that 1 in 3 children are covered by Medicaid and CHIP.

Single payer.


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That article, and the statistics, are pre ACA

OK. Single payer.


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[133743Hokie]

It's doing exactly what it was designed to do. Jacking up rates. Providing coverage that people don't want to pay for and can't opt out. Getting people like ip to cry for single payer, even though he knows not for what he cries.

There's a reason Obama delayed the roll out until after he was re-elected. If he had actually enforced the law, he would have lost. Now that someone else is in office, the Democrats that passed this law can cry things like "we for the chil'ren", "if you take it away, people will die", and "prices are getting too high! Single-payer!"

Great rant against Obamacare, but you didn't address the question. Why does CHIP exist now that we have Obamacare? Shouldn't it have rendered CHIP obsolete?

Sorry, addressed the question about whether PPACA was doing what it was supposed to do.

Here's an article from the Kaiser Family Foundation that describes what a convoluted mess all this is. It addresses your question.

https://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue ... d-the-aca/

The article states that 1 in 3 children are covered by Medicaid and CHIP.

Single payer.


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That article, and the statistics, are pre ACA

OK. Single payer.


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Thanks for contributing to the discussion. No reprieve from the snark I guess.

[ip_law-hokie]

Great rant against Obamacare, but you didn't address the question. Why does CHIP exist now that we have Obamacare? Shouldn't it have rendered CHIP obsolete?

Sorry, addressed the question about whether PPACA was doing what it was supposed to do.

Here's an article from the Kaiser Family Foundation that describes what a convoluted mess all this is. It addresses your question.

https://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue ... d-the-aca/

The article states that 1 in 3 children are covered by Medicaid and CHIP.

Single payer.


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That article, and the statistics, are pre ACA

OK. Single payer.


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Thanks for contributing to the discussion. No reprieve from the snark I guess.

It’s not snark. I don’t feel that the ACA addresses the fundamental problem of rising health care costs. It merely subsidizes additional participants in the same broken system. Apparently you disagree.


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[FireFuente]

program; doesn't the ACA cover all of these low income kids? If not, why not, as the ACA was designed to help and expand the base of low income people without insurance. Seems CHIP shouldn't be necessary anymore, unless the ACA isn't really doing what it was supposed to.

I was wondering the same thing.

Mark Warner bitches about CHIP funding every 20 minutes or so on his Twitter feed.

Why didn't the Democrats help those children when they wrote Obamacare? Is it because they hate children?

[Hokie5150]

The article states that 1 in 3 children are covered by Medicaid and CHIP.

That's one helluva lot of irresponsible people having children they cannot afford.

[ip_law-hokie]

The article states that 1 in 3 children are covered by Medicaid and CHIP.

That's one helluva lot of irresponsible people having children they cannot afford.

No disagreement there, but it's not the kid's fault.

[Hokie5150]

The article states that 1 in 3 children are covered by Medicaid and CHIP.

That's one helluva lot of irresponsible people having children they cannot afford.

No disagreement there, but it's not the kid's fault.

No, but perhaps like with most things, if there weren't enablers it wouldn't occur as often. Make it easy for an alcoholic to drink and they're going to drink. Make easy for irresponsible people to have children and expect more of them.

[ip_law-hokie]

The article states that 1 in 3 children are covered by Medicaid and CHIP.

That's one helluva lot of irresponsible people having children they cannot afford.

No disagreement there, but it's not the kid's fault.

No, but perhaps like with most things, if there weren't enablers it wouldn't occur as often. Make it easy for an alcoholic to drink and they're going to drink. Make easy for irresponsible people to have children and expect more of them.

Irresponsible people are still going to be irresponsible.




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[HokieJoe]

The article states that 1 in 3 children are covered by Medicaid and CHIP.

That's one helluva lot of irresponsible people having children they cannot afford.

No disagreement there, but it's not the kid's fault.

No, but perhaps like with most things, if there weren't enablers it wouldn't occur as often. Make it easy for an alcoholic to drink and they're going to drink. Make easy for irresponsible people to have children and expect more of them.

Irresponsible people are still going to be irresponsible.




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We're reinforcing irresponsible behaviors. We should reinforce responsible behaviors.

[ip_law-hokie]

The article states that 1 in 3 children are covered by Medicaid and CHIP.

That's one helluva lot of irresponsible people having children they cannot afford.

No disagreement there, but it's not the kid's fault.

No, but perhaps like with most things, if there weren't enablers it wouldn't occur as often. Make it easy for an alcoholic to drink and they're going to drink. Make easy for irresponsible people to have children and expect more of them.

Irresponsible people are still going to be irresponsible.




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We're reinforcing irresponsible behaviors. We should reinforce responsible behaviors.

OK. But here in the real world, people are not going to deny healthcare to kids so that their parents will learn a lesson.


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[HokieHam]

OK. But here in the real world, people are not going to deny healthcare to kids so that their parents will learn a lesson.

This starts with other failed Democrat social program giveaways.....that once again encourage irresponsible behavior. Your clamour for all things government is assinine. Single payer would be a total disaster.

[ip_law-hokie]

OK. But here in the real world, people are not going to deny healthcare to kids so that their parents will learn a lesson.

This starts with other failed Democrat social program giveaways.....that once again encourage irresponsible behavior. Your clamour for all things government is assinine. Single payer would be a total disaster.

The current system is a total disaster.

Thanks for the history lesson. I’m trying to solve a problem. Single payer.


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[ip_law-hokie]

The article states that 1 in 3 children are covered by Medicaid and CHIP.

That's one helluva lot of irresponsible people having children they cannot afford.

No disagreement there, but it's not the kid's fault.

No, but perhaps like with most things, if there weren't enablers it wouldn't occur as often. Make it easy for an alcoholic to drink and they're going to drink. Make easy for irresponsible people to have children and expect more of them.

Single payer will provide excellent reproductive services, including abortions, vesectomies and tubal ligations. Users placing extraordinary burdens on the system will be required to seek their services.

Also, Merry Christmas Fitty.


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[HokieHam]

OK. But here in the real world, people are not going to deny healthcare to kids so that their parents will learn a lesson.

This starts with other failed Democrat social program giveaways.....that once again encourage irresponsible behavior. Your clamour for all things government is assinine. Single payer would be a total disaster.

The current system is a total disaster.

Thanks for the history lesson. I’m trying to solve a problem. Single payer.


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You’re trying to create a bigger problem. That’s all.

Encouraging those who can’t afford children to have more is part of the problem and a Democrat created one at that.

[133743Hokie]

OK. But here in the real world, people are not going to deny healthcare to kids so that their parents will learn a lesson.

This starts with other failed Democrat social program giveaways.....that once again encourage irresponsible behavior. Your clamour for all things government is assinine. Single payer would be a total disaster.

The current system is a total disaster.

Thanks for the history lesson. I’m trying to solve a problem. Single payer.


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The current system IS a disaster, I agree. The system we had pre-Obamacare was not however. The democrats screwed things up for 90% to help 5%. Would have been easier a cheaper to just do something for the 5%.

[awesome guy]

OK. But here in the real world, people are not going to deny healthcare to kids so that their parents will learn a lesson.

This starts with other failed Democrat social program giveaways.....that once again encourage irresponsible behavior. Your clamour for all things government is assinine. Single payer would be a total disaster.

The current system is a total disaster.

Thanks for the history lesson. I’m trying to solve a problem. Single payer.


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No heart

[ip_law-hokie]

OK. But here in the real world, people are not going to deny healthcare to kids so that their parents will learn a lesson.

This starts with other failed Democrat social program giveaways.....that once again encourage irresponsible behavior. Your clamour for all things government is assinine. Single payer would be a total disaster.

The current system is a total disaster.

Thanks for the history lesson. I’m trying to solve a problem. Single payer.


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You’re trying to create a bigger problem. That’s all.

Encouraging those who can’t afford children to have more is part of the problem and a Democrat created one at that.

OK. Kids already get health care. That’s not going to change.


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[ip_law-hokie]

OK. But here in the real world, people are not going to deny healthcare to kids so that their parents will learn a lesson.

This starts with other failed Democrat social program giveaways.....that once again encourage irresponsible behavior. Your clamour for all things government is assinine. Single payer would be a total disaster.

The current system is a total disaster.

Thanks for the history lesson. I’m trying to solve a problem. Single payer.


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The current system IS a disaster, I agree. The system we had pre-Obamacare was not however. The democrats screwed things up for 90% to help 5%. Would have been easier a cheaper to just do something for the 5%.

Like what.


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[133743Hokie]

OK. But here in the real world, people are not going to deny healthcare to kids so that their parents will learn a lesson.

This starts with other failed Democrat social program giveaways.....that once again encourage irresponsible behavior. Your clamour for all things government is assinine. Single payer would be a total disaster.

The current system is a total disaster.

Thanks for the history lesson. I’m trying to solve a problem. Single payer.


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The current system IS a disaster, I agree. The system we had pre-Obamacare was not however. The democrats screwed things up for 90% to help 5%. Would have been easier a cheaper to just do something for the 5%.

Like what.


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Like just expanding Medicaid or subsidizing premiums like they did, but leave everyone else alone. But the ACA wasn't about extending insurance to the poor. It was about putting the government in charge of everyone's insurance. One size fits all doesn't work for 330 million.