Manchesterip_law-hokie wrote:There are ways to conduct pissing contests without sacrificing tax revenues and rewarding black marketeers.Mcl3 Hokie wrote:You don’t think this is political payback for Obama’s DOJ taking AZ states rights away when it came to immigration? I think it’s a perfect play to show the absurdity of the DOJ trampling AZ’s rights.
ip_law-hokie wrote:I’d be interested to know what Sessions’ end game is here. California Cannabis sales are expected to be 5 billion dollars next year. Does he think he can put that cat back in the bag?HokieFanDC wrote:That's a fine stance, but if that's the way it's going to be, then overturn the few laws first.BG Hokie wrote:I'd rather leave this issue to the states. Donald Trump said the same in 2016. Why you guys hate Donald Trump and Federalism? I thought the Colorado Republican, Cory Gardner has a respectable stance on the issue. He didn't support it initially but respects that the will of the voters have made it so and is now seeking to protect his constituency. It would be nice if big gov could butt their way out.
This is a pretty typical reaction (not yours, BG, but in general). The people who don't agree with legalization of pot think it should be a fed decision. People who agree with it, think it should be a state decision.
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I hadn’t really thought about Mc’s take before ....interesting solid thought..., and agree w IP. This is a miscue by the administration. Soooo many more urgent issues. Want to play politics w the drug issue? Okay, fine. Let’s go after the opiate epidemic that is actually killing people every day.ip_law-hokie wrote:There are ways to conduct pissing contests without sacrificing tax revenues and rewarding black marketeers.Mcl3 Hokie wrote:You don’t think this is political payback for Obama’s DOJ taking AZ states rights away when it came to immigration? I think it’s a perfect play to show the absurdity of the DOJ trampling AZ’s rights.
ip_law-hokie wrote:I’d be interested to know what Sessions’ end game is here. California Cannabis sales are expected to be 5 billion dollars next year. Does he think he can put that cat back in the bag?HokieFanDC wrote:That's a fine stance, but if that's the way it's going to be, then overturn the few laws first.BG Hokie wrote:I'd rather leave this issue to the states. Donald Trump said the same in 2016. Why you guys hate Donald Trump and Federalism? I thought the Colorado Republican, Cory Gardner has a respectable stance on the issue. He didn't support it initially but respects that the will of the voters have made it so and is now seeking to protect his constituency. It would be nice if big gov could butt their way out.
This is a pretty typical reaction (not yours, BG, but in general). The people who don't agree with legalization of pot think it should be a fed decision. People who agree with it, think it should be a state decision.
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Good point. Even viewed within the spectrum of the “war on drugs,” it seems obvious that there are other targets that cause more damage to society and the drug user.RiverguyVT wrote:I hadn’t really thought about Mc’s take before ....interesting solid thought..., and agree w IP. This is a miscue by the administration. Soooo many more urgent issues. Want to play politics w the drug issue? Okay, fine. Let’s go after the opiate epidemic that is actually killing people every day.ip_law-hokie wrote:There are ways to conduct pissing contests without sacrificing tax revenues and rewarding black marketeers.Mcl3 Hokie wrote:You don’t think this is political payback for Obama’s DOJ taking AZ states rights away when it came to immigration? I think it’s a perfect play to show the absurdity of the DOJ trampling AZ’s rights.
ip_law-hokie wrote:I’d be interested to know what Sessions’ end game is here. California Cannabis sales are expected to be 5 billion dollars next year. Does he think he can put that cat back in the bag?HokieFanDC wrote:That's a fine stance, but if that's the way it's going to be, then overturn the few laws first.BG Hokie wrote:I'd rather leave this issue to the states. Donald Trump said the same in 2016. Why you guys hate Donald Trump and Federalism? I thought the Colorado Republican, Cory Gardner has a respectable stance on the issue. He didn't support it initially but respects that the will of the voters have made it so and is now seeking to protect his constituency. It would be nice if big gov could butt their way out.
This is a pretty typical reaction (not yours, BG, but in general). The people who don't agree with legalization of pot think it should be a fed decision. People who agree with it, think it should be a state decision.
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I can think of five heroin/opiate deaths real quickly of people I knew or was familiar with in the last couple of years.
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I think it was a kick the can mentality. Dems should have overturned it in 2008-2010 when they had majority, but they went for Healthcare and spent all their capital on that.HokieHam wrote:Agree. I think it should be up to the states, but overturn the laws.HokieFanDC wrote:That's a fine stance, but if that's the way it's going to be, then overturn the few laws first.BG Hokie wrote:I'd rather leave this issue to the states. Donald Trump said the same in 2016. Why you guys hate Donald Trump and Federalism? I thought the Colorado Republican, Cory Gardner has a respectable stance on the issue. He didn't support it initially but respects that the will of the voters have made it so and is now seeking to protect his constituency. It would be nice if big gov could butt their way out.
This is a pretty typical reaction (not yours, BG, but in general). The people who don't agree with legalization of pot think it should be a fed decision. People who agree with it, think it should be a state decision.
Both sides generally choose to say the states should decide when it comes to an issue they disagree with the federal gov't with.
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RiverguyVT wrote:I hadn’t really thought about Mc’s take before ....interesting solid thought..., and agree w IP. This is a miscue by the administration. Soooo many more urgent issues. Want to play politics w the drug issue? Okay, fine. Let’s go after the opiate epidemic that is actually killing people every day.ip_law-hokie wrote:There are ways to conduct pissing contests without sacrificing tax revenues and rewarding black marketeers.Mcl3 Hokie wrote:You don’t think this is political payback for Obama’s DOJ taking AZ states rights away when it came to immigration? I think it’s a perfect play to show the absurdity of the DOJ trampling AZ’s rights.
ip_law-hokie wrote:I’d be interested to know what Sessions’ end game is here. California Cannabis sales are expected to be 5 billion dollars next year. Does he think he can put that cat back in the bag?HokieFanDC wrote:That's a fine stance, but if that's the way it's going to be, then overturn the few laws first.BG Hokie wrote:I'd rather leave this issue to the states. Donald Trump said the same in 2016. Why you guys hate Donald Trump and Federalism? I thought the Colorado Republican, Cory Gardner has a respectable stance on the issue. He didn't support it initially but respects that the will of the voters have made it so and is now seeking to protect his constituency. It would be nice if big gov could butt their way out.
This is a pretty typical reaction (not yours, BG, but in general). The people who don't agree with legalization of pot think it should be a fed decision. People who agree with it, think it should be a state decision.
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You guys are missing the point, the federal government can't stand by and watch open lawlessness or they secede authority by default. Regardless of what you think about the law, we have to follow the law. This is the biggest issue for Sessions outside of Crooked Hillary as it's an issue of federal authority.
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Like arresting ranchers illegally grazing on federal property in Nevada and seizing federal buildings in Oregon? Like that kind of lawlessness?awesome guy wrote:
You guys are missing the point, the federal government can't stand by and watch open lawlessness or they secede authority by default. Regardless of what you think about the law, we have to follow the law. This is the biggest issue for Sessions outside of Crooked Hillary as it's an issue of federal authority.
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The more interesting question is when does the Federal government decriminalize recreational pot use and how is it done? How long will it take? To me it seems inevitable but I can't yet tell if it's in my lifetime inevitable? I think as more and more states begin relying on the industry, they will have more and more power together to attempt to change law at the federal level. The states, of course, still have a desire to keep black market trafficking down, so there is alignment in the most important goal in my opinion.
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No, this isn’t “the biggest issue for Sessions” by any stretch of the imagination. Your argument re: lawlessness and federal authority could be applied to any of the dozens and dozens of other issues that Sessions now will not have the time & resources for. Any broken law is an affront to government authority. Pot isn’t special in that regard.You guys are missing the point, the federal government can't stand by and watch open lawlessness or they secede authority by default. Regardless of what you think about the law, we have to follow the law. This is the biggest issue for Sessions outside of Crooked Hillary as it's an issue of federal authority
Sessions is going after windmills, while there are many many other things more urgent...things that are an affront to the rule of law.
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The states can't overrule federal law. If this should be a "states" issue then congress needs to legislate that by repealing the federal law(s).BG Hokie wrote:I'd rather leave this issue to the states. Donald Trump said the same in 2016. Why you guys hate Donald Trump and Federalism? I thought the Colorado Republican, Cory Gardner has a respectable stance on the issue. He didn't support it initially but respects that the will of the voters have made it so and is now seeking to protect his constituency. It would be nice if big gov could butt their way out.
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He has said it is up to the regional federal offices to enforce as they see fit.ip_law-hokie wrote:So how is Sessions going to enforce the law?USN_Hokie wrote:IP doesn't believe in a country of laws. Hopefully his profession doesn't rely on them...Jack Galt wrote:How so? He's the AG, and he is enforcing the law. What is the problem? What are the multiple layers of stupidity?
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That isn't true. Every incoming administration appoints new US Attorneys. It is understood that as a US Attorney you submit your resignation when a new administration comes in and then make known your desire to be rehired if you want to stay. EVERY administration has done this.ip_law-hokie wrote:OK, but that’s on you. Sessions knew there were unfilled positions when he made the policy. And somw of these positions were unfilled because Trump dismissed very capable attorneys from positions that were not political in the past.Jack Galt wrote:Thanks for engaging in a discussion. It's been thrilling as always.ip_law-hokie wrote:That’s a separate issue.Jack Galt wrote:Ok. So why haven't they been appointed? Or is the problem that they were elected, not appointed?ip_law-hokie wrote:I’ll start with - He’s leaving the ultimate decision up to be local atty’s - most of whom haven’t been appointed. There are billions of dollars at issue here.Jack Galt wrote:How so? He's the AG, and he is enforcing the law. What is the problem? What are the multiple layers of stupidity?
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He isn't exerting any energy on this, and he isn't asking the US Attorneys to exert an more energy on it. He's just reminding them that it is illegal under federal law (removing the Obama "hands off" EO) and that they have the right and discretion to prosecute as they determine and see fit within their jurisdictions.RiverguyVT wrote:Of all the things on the AG’s plate... this is not an urgency.ip_law-hokie wrote:Multiple layers of stupidity
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Seems a misallocation of energy right now, IMHO.
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ElbertoHokie wrote:Like arresting ranchers illegally grazing on federal property in Nevada and seizing federal buildings in Oregon? Like that kind of lawlessness?awesome guy wrote:
You guys are missing the point, the federal government can't stand by and watch open lawlessness or they secede authority by default. Regardless of what you think about the law, we have to follow the law. This is the biggest issue for Sessions outside of Crooked Hillary as it's an issue of federal authority.
Sure Mr. Partisan, hear it out in court.
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I don't disagree and actions by the states have gotten the ball rolling to that end. It takes this conflict and for states to have these industries built to have a chance to get the law changed at the federal level. It will happen, it's now a matter of when...133743Hokie wrote:The states can't overrule federal law. If this should be a "states" issue then congress needs to legislate that by repealing the federal law(s).BG Hokie wrote:I'd rather leave this issue to the states. Donald Trump said the same in 2016. Why you guys hate Donald Trump and Federalism? I thought the Colorado Republican, Cory Gardner has a respectable stance on the issue. He didn't support it initially but respects that the will of the voters have made it so and is now seeking to protect his constituency. It would be nice if big gov could butt their way out.
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RiverguyVT wrote:No, this isn’t “the biggest issue for Sessions” by any stretch of the imagination. Your argument re: lawlessness and federal authority could be applied to any of the dozens and dozens of other issues that Sessions now will not have the time & resources for. Any broken law is an affront to government authority. Pot isn’t special in that regard.You guys are missing the point, the federal government can't stand by and watch open lawlessness or they secede authority by default. Regardless of what you think about the law, we have to follow the law. This is the biggest issue for Sessions outside of Crooked Hillary as it's an issue of federal authority
Sessions is going after windmills, while there are many many other things more urgent...things that are an affront to the rule of law.
Nope, sanctuary cities are the only other federal issue of this magnitude. And no, states attempting to override federal laws isn't applicable to dozens of other issues. It's a top concern for the rule of law.
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If the law is bad or improper, it doesn't require "these industries" to be built. It just requires legislators to act on what they believe is right, if the actually believe it is right. The reality is the states see legalization as a tax revenue cash cow (replacing cigarettes) and that is the ONLY reason they are for legalization. So it isn't merit based, it's greed based.BG Hokie wrote:I don't disagree and actions by the states have gotten the ball rolling to that end. It takes this conflict and for states to have these industries built to have a chance to get the law changed at the federal level. It will happen, it's now a matter of when...133743Hokie wrote:The states can't overrule federal law. If this should be a "states" issue then congress needs to legislate that by repealing the federal law(s).BG Hokie wrote:I'd rather leave this issue to the states. Donald Trump said the same in 2016. Why you guys hate Donald Trump and Federalism? I thought the Colorado Republican, Cory Gardner has a respectable stance on the issue. He didn't support it initially but respects that the will of the voters have made it so and is now seeking to protect his constituency. It would be nice if big gov could butt their way out.
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Says the guy that throws the States Rights slogan out only when it suits his views. And that partisan title is rich coming from the board's ultimate partisan.awesome guy wrote:ElbertoHokie wrote:Like arresting ranchers illegally grazing on federal property in Nevada and seizing federal buildings in Oregon? Like that kind of lawlessness?awesome guy wrote:
You guys are missing the point, the federal government can't stand by and watch open lawlessness or they secede authority by default. Regardless of what you think about the law, we have to follow the law. This is the biggest issue for Sessions outside of Crooked Hillary as it's an issue of federal authority.
Sure Mr. Partisan, hear it out in court.
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ElbertoHokie wrote:Says the guy that throws the States Rights slogan out only when it suits his views. And that partisan title is rich coming from the board's ultimate partisan.awesome guy wrote:ElbertoHokie wrote:Like arresting ranchers illegally grazing on federal property in Nevada and seizing federal buildings in Oregon? Like that kind of lawlessness?awesome guy wrote:
You guys are missing the point, the federal government can't stand by and watch open lawlessness or they secede authority by default. Regardless of what you think about the law, we have to follow the law. This is the biggest issue for Sessions outside of Crooked Hillary as it's an issue of federal authority.
Sure Mr. Partisan, hear it out in court.
Whatever dude. You're doing exactly what you accuse me of, only are too partisan to see it. And no, I've got nothing on you in terms of being a partisan.
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133743Hokie wrote:If the law is bad or improper, it doesn't require "these industries" to be built. It just requires legislators to act on what they believe is right, if the actually believe it is right. The reality is the states see legalization as a tax revenue cash cow (replacing cigarettes) and that is the ONLY reason they are for legalization. So it isn't merit based, it's greed based.BG Hokie wrote:I don't disagree and actions by the states have gotten the ball rolling to that end. It takes this conflict and for states to have these industries built to have a chance to get the law changed at the federal level. It will happen, it's now a matter of when...133743Hokie wrote:The states can't overrule federal law. If this should be a "states" issue then congress needs to legislate that by repealing the federal law(s).BG Hokie wrote:I'd rather leave this issue to the states. Donald Trump said the same in 2016. Why you guys hate Donald Trump and Federalism? I thought the Colorado Republican, Cory Gardner has a respectable stance on the issue. He didn't support it initially but respects that the will of the voters have made it so and is now seeking to protect his constituency. It would be nice if big gov could butt their way out.
I'll give them that there needs to be an act of defiance to get into court to hear this case. They fall off the rails when they claim we should be pretend the law doesn't exist just so they can get high. Or that the rule of law isn't a concern.
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Bundy lost in court time and time again and never stopped disobeying laws. But, with that said, I rather like the Bundys and their stand against the federal government. I feel for them being impacted by the federal land grab, which still goes on and on affecting other American land owners.awesome guy wrote:ElbertoHokie wrote:Like arresting ranchers illegally grazing on federal property in Nevada and seizing federal buildings in Oregon? Like that kind of lawlessness?awesome guy wrote:
You guys are missing the point, the federal government can't stand by and watch open lawlessness or they secede authority by default. Regardless of what you think about the law, we have to follow the law. This is the biggest issue for Sessions outside of Crooked Hillary as it's an issue of federal authority.
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I'm sure there is a level of government greed involved in getting it over the hump, but I'd like to think it's more based on the will of the people. The will of the people will lead to the decriminalization of marijuana just like it led to the legalization of gay marriage. It took the states to get the ball rolling...133743Hokie wrote:If the law is bad or improper, it doesn't require "these industries" to be built. It just requires legislators to act on what they believe is right, if the actually believe it is right. The reality is the states see legalization as a tax revenue cash cow (replacing cigarettes) and that is the ONLY reason they are for legalization. So it isn't merit based, it's greed based.BG Hokie wrote:I don't disagree and actions by the states have gotten the ball rolling to that end. It takes this conflict and for states to have these industries built to have a chance to get the law changed at the federal level. It will happen, it's now a matter of when...133743Hokie wrote:The states can't overrule federal law. If this should be a "states" issue then congress needs to legislate that by repealing the federal law(s).BG Hokie wrote:I'd rather leave this issue to the states. Donald Trump said the same in 2016. Why you guys hate Donald Trump and Federalism? I thought the Colorado Republican, Cory Gardner has a respectable stance on the issue. He didn't support it initially but respects that the will of the voters have made it so and is now seeking to protect his constituency. It would be nice if big gov could butt their way out.
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BG Hokie wrote:I'm sure there is a level of government greed involved in getting it over the hump, but I'd like to think it's more based on the will of the people. The will of the people will lead to the decriminalization of marijuana just like it led to the legalization of gay marriage. It took the states to get the ball rolling...133743Hokie wrote:If the law is bad or improper, it doesn't require "these industries" to be built. It just requires legislators to act on what they believe is right, if the actually believe it is right. The reality is the states see legalization as a tax revenue cash cow (replacing cigarettes) and that is the ONLY reason they are for legalization. So it isn't merit based, it's greed based.BG Hokie wrote:I don't disagree and actions by the states have gotten the ball rolling to that end. It takes this conflict and for states to have these industries built to have a chance to get the law changed at the federal level. It will happen, it's now a matter of when...133743Hokie wrote:The states can't overrule federal law. If this should be a "states" issue then congress needs to legislate that by repealing the federal law(s).BG Hokie wrote:I'd rather leave this issue to the states. Donald Trump said the same in 2016. Why you guys hate Donald Trump and Federalism? I thought the Colorado Republican, Cory Gardner has a respectable stance on the issue. He didn't support it initially but respects that the will of the voters have made it so and is now seeking to protect his constituency. It would be nice if big gov could butt their way out.
Say what? Do you realize that the courts overturned the will of the people on gay marriage? Even CA voted to ban it. Geeze, don't ever call anyone else stupid or ignorant.
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Prior to the Supreme Court ruling, 38 states allowed gay marriage in some fashion. So, yes, the will of the people in those states got the ball rolling. And, for what it's worth, I don't necessarily agree with the Supreme Court decision. The ends don't justify the means.awesome guy wrote:BG Hokie wrote:I'm sure there is a level of government greed involved in getting it over the hump, but I'd like to think it's more based on the will of the people. The will of the people will lead to the decriminalization of marijuana just like it led to the legalization of gay marriage. It took the states to get the ball rolling...133743Hokie wrote:If the law is bad or improper, it doesn't require "these industries" to be built. It just requires legislators to act on what they believe is right, if the actually believe it is right. The reality is the states see legalization as a tax revenue cash cow (replacing cigarettes) and that is the ONLY reason they are for legalization. So it isn't merit based, it's greed based.BG Hokie wrote:I don't disagree and actions by the states have gotten the ball rolling to that end. It takes this conflict and for states to have these industries built to have a chance to get the law changed at the federal level. It will happen, it's now a matter of when...133743Hokie wrote:The states can't overrule federal law. If this should be a "states" issue then congress needs to legislate that by repealing the federal law(s).BG Hokie wrote:I'd rather leave this issue to the states. Donald Trump said the same in 2016. Why you guys hate Donald Trump and Federalism? I thought the Colorado Republican, Cory Gardner has a respectable stance on the issue. He didn't support it initially but respects that the will of the voters have made it so and is now seeking to protect his constituency. It would be nice if big gov could butt their way out.
Say what? Do you realize that the courts overturned the will of the people on gay marriage? Even CA voted to ban it. Geeze, don't ever call anyone else stupid or ignorant.
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Good editorial on this whole thing. The following sums it up as i see it...
"Under Article II, the executive is obliged to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed,” and, under federal law, marijuana remains prohibited. Using prosecutorial discretion as a smokescreen for nullification is not our definition of “faithful,” however misguided the legislature’s will might be."
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"Under Article II, the executive is obliged to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed,” and, under federal law, marijuana remains prohibited. Using prosecutorial discretion as a smokescreen for nullification is not our definition of “faithful,” however misguided the legislature’s will might be."
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