Single payer

[133743Hokie]

So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.

Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

As to fixing it, that's the democrats problem. Just let the wound that is ObamaCare keep festering until the limb has to be amputated. Only then will the blurry-eyed masses see what a disaster it is. I'm willing to wait and let it collapse.

[ip_law-hokie]

So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.

Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

Politics doesn't allow taking a benefit away from a minority group of people once they've been given it regardless of how damaging it is to the majority, and the citizenry overall. Couple that with the states addiction to the new 100% reimbursement for medicare expansion and you will never get enough senators to vote to repeal or replace. Politics trumps a bad law.

So how do we provide coverage to the existing number of people who are now covered at a lower cost?

Single payer.

[ip_law-hokie]

So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.

Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

As to fixing it, that's the democrats problem. Just let the wound that is ObamaCare keep festering until the limb has to be amputated. Only then will the blurry-eyed masses see what a disaster it is. I'm willing to wait and let it collapse.

Me too. That's where single payer comes in.

[133743Hokie]

So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.

Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

Politics doesn't allow taking a benefit away from a minority group of people once they've been given it regardless of how damaging it is to the majority, and the citizenry overall. Couple that with the states addiction to the new 100% reimbursement for medicare expansion and you will never get enough senators to vote to repeal or replace. Politics trumps a bad law.

So how do we provide coverage to the existing number of people who are now covered at a lower cost?

Single payer.

As I've said before, Medicaid expansion at some level is okay. It's fine for that 5% of the population that didn't already have insurance. But the ACA overstepped (intentionally) and screwed the 90% that had coverage and of which the great majority were happy with. THAT's whose getting screwed, not the poor guy.

[133743Hokie]

So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.

Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

As to fixing it, that's the democrats problem. Just let the wound that is ObamaCare keep festering until the limb has to be amputated. Only then will the blurry-eyed masses see what a disaster it is. I'm willing to wait and let it collapse.

Me too. That's where single payer comes in.

Everyone already knows that single payer would be worse from both a cost and experience standpoint so its a non-starter in the US. With the collapse will come 1) maintenance of medicaid expansion for the poor and 2) a reversion back to the free market for all others with some reforms regarding portability, un-coupling from work, tort reform, selling policies across state lines, etc., i.e an improvement over what we had pre-ACA

[ip_law-hokie]

So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.

Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

Politics doesn't allow taking a benefit away from a minority group of people once they've been given it regardless of how damaging it is to the majority, and the citizenry overall. Couple that with the states addiction to the new 100% reimbursement for medicare expansion and you will never get enough senators to vote to repeal or replace. Politics trumps a bad law.

So how do we provide coverage to the existing number of people who are now covered at a lower cost?

Single payer.

As I've said before, Medicaid expansion at some level is okay. It's fine for that 5% of the population that didn't already have insurance. But the ACA overstepped (intentionally) and screwed the 90% that had coverage and of which the great majority were happy with. THAT's whose getting screwed, not the poor guy.

.

I think we are all screwed paying 3x, 4x or 5x the price for the same drug that is sold in wealthy Western European countries. That’s where we should be criticizing Obamacare (or Medicaid expansion). Because Obamacare is not addressing this.




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[HokieHam]

So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.

Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

Politics doesn't allow taking a benefit away from a minority group of people once they've been given it regardless of how damaging it is to the majority, and the citizenry overall. Couple that with the states addiction to the new 100% reimbursement for medicare expansion and you will never get enough senators to vote to repeal or replace. Politics trumps a bad law.

Yup. I like what Rand Paul is doing with Trump in regards to health insurance.

[ip_law-hokie]

So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.

Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

As to fixing it, that's the democrats problem. Just let the wound that is ObamaCare keep festering until the limb has to be amputated. Only then will the blurry-eyed masses see what a disaster it is. I'm willing to wait and let it collapse.

Me too. That's where single payer comes in.

Everyone already knows that single payer would be worse from both a cost and experience standpoint so its a non-starter in the US. With the collapse will come 1) maintenance of medicaid expansion for the poor and 2) a reversion back to the free market for all others with some reforms regarding portability, un-coupling from work, tort reform, selling policies across state lines, etc., i.e an improvement over what we had pre-ACA

Except that single payer systems are already covering patients for much less than we pay now.

[ip_law-hokie]

So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.

Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

Politics doesn't allow taking a benefit away from a minority group of people once they've been given it regardless of how damaging it is to the majority, and the citizenry overall. Couple that with the states addiction to the new 100% reimbursement for medicare expansion and you will never get enough senators to vote to repeal or replace. Politics trumps a bad law.

Yup. I like what Rand Paul is doing with Trump in regards to health insurance.

and what is that exactly?

[HokieHam]

So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.

Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

Politics doesn't allow taking a benefit away from a minority group of people once they've been given it regardless of how damaging it is to the majority, and the citizenry overall. Couple that with the states addiction to the new 100% reimbursement for medicare expansion and you will never get enough senators to vote to repeal or replace. Politics trumps a bad law.

Yup. I like what Rand Paul is doing with Trump in regards to health insurance.

and what is that exactly?

The ability for individuals to group together to buy insurance, roll back of mandated packages by insurers. That’s part of it and a good start.

[HokieHam]

So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.

Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

As to fixing it, that's the democrats problem. Just let the wound that is ObamaCare keep festering until the limb has to be amputated. Only then will the blurry-eyed masses see what a disaster it is. I'm willing to wait and let it collapse.

Me too. That's where single payer comes in.

Everyone already knows that single payer would be worse from both a cost and experience standpoint so its a non-starter in the US. With the collapse will come 1) maintenance of medicaid expansion for the poor and 2) a reversion back to the free market for all others with some reforms regarding portability, un-coupling from work, tort reform, selling policies across state lines, etc., i.e an improvement over what we had pre-ACA

This is what people don’t get.

[RiverguyVT]

So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.

Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

As to fixing it, that's the democrats problem. Just let the wound that is ObamaCare keep festering until the limb has to be amputated. Only then will the blurry-eyed masses see what a disaster it is. I'm willing to wait and let it collapse.

Me too. That's where single payer comes in.

Everyone already knows that single payer would be worse from both a cost and experience standpoint so its a non-starter in the US. With the collapse will come 1) maintenance of medicaid expansion for the poor and 2) a reversion back to the free market for all others with some reforms regarding portability, un-coupling from work, tort reform, selling policies across state lines, etc., i.e an improvement over what we had pre-ACA

Agry

[133743Hokie]

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

As to fixing it, that's the democrats problem. Just let the wound that is ObamaCare keep festering until the limb has to be amputated. Only then will the blurry-eyed masses see what a disaster it is. I'm willing to wait and let it collapse.

Me too. That's where single payer comes in.

Everyone already knows that single payer would be worse from both a cost and experience standpoint so its a non-starter in the US. With the collapse will come 1) maintenance of medicaid expansion for the poor and 2) a reversion back to the free market for all others with some reforms regarding portability, un-coupling from work, tort reform, selling policies across state lines, etc., i.e an improvement over what we had pre-ACA

Except that single payer systems are already covering patients for much less than we pay now.[/quote]
But they aren't covering them at the level of care that Americans have or expect. The be able to maintain the quality of care that we have will require about $1.5T per year additional. We can't afford that. And we won't tolerate the shoddy care and long lines and wait times of the Euro-socialist style countries.

[HokieHam]

But they aren't covering them at the level of care that Americans have or expect. The be able to maintain the quality of care that we have will require about $1.5T per year additional. We can't afford that. And we won't tolerate the shoddy care and long lines and wait times of the Euro-socialist style countries.

Yup. Single payer would totally overwhelm the medical system. It’s what those who want it don’t understand. It would be much worse here because of population and entitlement attitude.

[133743Hokie]

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

Politics doesn't allow taking a benefit away from a minority group of people once they've been given it regardless of how damaging it is to the majority, and the citizenry overall. Couple that with the states addiction to the new 100% reimbursement for medicare expansion and you will never get enough senators to vote to repeal or replace. Politics trumps a bad law.

So how do we provide coverage to the existing number of people who are now covered at a lower cost?

Single payer.

As I've said before, Medicaid expansion at some level is okay. It's fine for that 5% of the population that didn't already have insurance. But the ACA overstepped (intentionally) and screwed the 90% that had coverage and of which the great majority were happy with. THAT's whose getting screwed, not the poor guy.

.

I think we are all screwed paying 3x, 4x or 5x the price for the same drug that is sold in wealthy Western European countries. That’s where we should be criticizing Obamacare (or Medicaid expansion). Because Obamacare is not addressing this.




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Prescription drug costs are the flea on the elephants ass wrt health insurance -- a non issue. And as has been clarified to you, the costs you quote are not a true reflection. No one pays MSRP.

[ip_law-hokie]

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

Politics doesn't allow taking a benefit away from a minority group of people once they've been given it regardless of how damaging it is to the majority, and the citizenry overall. Couple that with the states addiction to the new 100% reimbursement for medicare expansion and you will never get enough senators to vote to repeal or replace. Politics trumps a bad law.

So how do we provide coverage to the existing number of people who are now covered at a lower cost?

Single payer.

As I've said before, Medicaid expansion at some level is okay. It's fine for that 5% of the population that didn't already have insurance. But the ACA overstepped (intentionally) and screwed the 90% that had coverage and of which the great majority were happy with. THAT's whose getting screwed, not the poor guy.

.

I think we are all screwed paying 3x, 4x or 5x the price for the same drug that is sold in wealthy Western European countries. That’s where we should be criticizing Obamacare (or Medicaid expansion). Because Obamacare is not addressing this.




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Prescription drug costs are the flea on the elephants ass wrt health insurance -- a non issue. And as has been clarified to you, the costs you quote are not a true reflection. No one pays MSRP.[/quote]

Are you here to clarify that we don’t pay substantially more than every other single payer country?


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[ip_law-hokie]

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

Politics doesn't allow taking a benefit away from a minority group of people once they've been given it regardless of how damaging it is to the majority, and the citizenry overall. Couple that with the states addiction to the new 100% reimbursement for medicare expansion and you will never get enough senators to vote to repeal or replace. Politics trumps a bad law.

Yup. I like what Rand Paul is doing with Trump in regards to health insurance.

and what is that exactly?

The ability for individuals to group together to buy insurance, roll back of mandated packages by insurers. That’s part of it and a good start.

They better act quickly because we come closer and closer to single payer every day.


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[133743Hokie]

This is great. You truly do not understand.

Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.

His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.

And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!

Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?

Politics doesn't allow taking a benefit away from a minority group of people once they've been given it regardless of how damaging it is to the majority, and the citizenry overall. Couple that with the states addiction to the new 100% reimbursement for medicare expansion and you will never get enough senators to vote to repeal or replace. Politics trumps a bad law.

Yup. I like what Rand Paul is doing with Trump in regards to health insurance.

and what is that exactly?

The ability for individuals to group together to buy insurance, roll back of mandated packages by insurers. That’s part of it and a good start.

They better act quickly because we come closer and closer to single payer every day.


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No, we're at a stagnant point right now, and have been for four years.

[133743Hokie]

Politics doesn't allow taking a benefit away from a minority group of people once they've been given it regardless of how damaging it is to the majority, and the citizenry overall. Couple that with the states addiction to the new 100% reimbursement for medicare expansion and you will never get enough senators to vote to repeal or replace. Politics trumps a bad law.

So how do we provide coverage to the existing number of people who are now covered at a lower cost?

Single payer.

As I've said before, Medicaid expansion at some level is okay. It's fine for that 5% of the population that didn't already have insurance. But the ACA overstepped (intentionally) and screwed the 90% that had coverage and of which the great majority were happy with. THAT's whose getting screwed, not the poor guy.

.

I think we are all screwed paying 3x, 4x or 5x the price for the same drug that is sold in wealthy Western European countries. That’s where we should be criticizing Obamacare (or Medicaid expansion). Because Obamacare is not addressing this.




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Prescription drug costs are the flea on the elephants ass wrt health insurance -- a non issue. And as has been clarified to you, the costs you quote are not a true reflection. No one pays MSRP.

Are you here to clarify that we don’t pay substantially more than every other single payer country?


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I'm not playing your disingenuous games. I've already answered this earlier in the thread and you know that. Americans get much much more for their costs than do any other country in the world.Apples and oranges.

[HokieHam]

Are you here to clarify that we don’t pay substantially more than every other single payer country?

Like talking to a brick wall........

[ip_law-hokie]

So how do we provide coverage to the existing number of people who are now covered at a lower cost?

Single payer.

As I've said before, Medicaid expansion at some level is okay. It's fine for that 5% of the population that didn't already have insurance. But the ACA overstepped (intentionally) and screwed the 90% that had coverage and of which the great majority were happy with. THAT's whose getting screwed, not the poor guy.

.

I think we are all screwed paying 3x, 4x or 5x the price for the same drug that is sold in wealthy Western European countries. That’s where we should be criticizing Obamacare (or Medicaid expansion). Because Obamacare is not addressing this.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Prescription drug costs are the flea on the elephants ass wrt health insurance -- a non issue. And as has been clarified to you, the costs you quote are not a true reflection. No one pays MSRP.

Are you here to clarify that we don’t pay substantially more than every other single payer country?


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I'm not playing your disingenuous games. I've already answered this earlier in the thread and you know that. Americans get much much more for their costs than do any other country in the world.Apples and oranges.

Taking what you say to be true, I do t see that this is sustainable unless better price controls are implemented. Your position is fine if it were not for the fact that we already cover a majority (or large percentage) of the populace already, and this is not going to change.

And FTR, i am disingenuous about a lot of geographical things, but not this.


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[133743Hokie]

As I've said before, Medicaid expansion at some level is okay. It's fine for that 5% of the population that didn't already have insurance. But the ACA overstepped (intentionally) and screwed the 90% that had coverage and of which the great majority were happy with. THAT's whose getting screwed, not the poor guy.

.

I think we are all screwed paying 3x, 4x or 5x the price for the same drug that is sold in wealthy Western European countries. That’s where we should be criticizing Obamacare (or Medicaid expansion). Because Obamacare is not addressing this.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Prescription drug costs are the flea on the elephants ass wrt health insurance -- a non issue. And as has been clarified to you, the costs you quote are not a true reflection. No one pays MSRP.

Are you here to clarify that we don’t pay substantially more than every other single payer country?


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I'm not playing your disingenuous games. I've already answered this earlier in the thread and you know that. Americans get much much more for their costs than do any other country in the world.Apples and oranges.

Taking what you say to be true, I do t see that this is sustainable unless better price controls are implemented. Your position is fine if it were not for the fact that we already cover a majority (or large percentage) of the populace already, and this is not going to change.

And FTR, i am disingenuous about a lot of geographical things, but not this.


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And I offered a cost savings solution about a page back, but you just wanted to keep droning "single layer".

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I think we are all screwed paying 3x, 4x or 5x the price for the same drug that is sold in wealthy Western European countries. That’s where we should be criticizing Obamacare (or Medicaid expansion). Because Obamacare is not addressing this.




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Prescription drug costs are the flea on the elephants ass wrt health insurance -- a non issue. And as has been clarified to you, the costs you quote are not a true reflection. No one pays MSRP.

Are you here to clarify that we don’t pay substantially more than every other single payer country?


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I'm not playing your disingenuous games. I've already answered this earlier in the thread and you know that. Americans get much much more for their costs than do any other country in the world.Apples and oranges.

Taking what you say to be true, I do t see that this is sustainable unless better price controls are implemented. Your position is fine if it were not for the fact that we already cover a majority (or large percentage) of the populace already, and this is not going to change.

And FTR, i am disingenuous about a lot of geographical things, but not this.


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And I offered a cost savings solution about a page back, but you just wanted to keep droning "single layer".

I agree with everything you want to do. I sincerely hope they give it a shot.

But I think your changes are trying to achieve an objective that single payer could more easily accomplish.


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Prescription drug costs are the flea on the elephants ass wrt health insurance -- a non issue. And as has been clarified to you, the costs you quote are not a true reflection. No one pays MSRP.

Are you here to clarify that we don’t pay substantially more than every other single payer country?


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I'm not playing your disingenuous games. I've already answered this earlier in the thread and you know that. Americans get much much more for their costs than do any other country in the world.Apples and oranges.

Taking what you say to be true, I do t see that this is sustainable unless better price controls are implemented. Your position is fine if it were not for the fact that we already cover a majority (or large percentage) of the populace already, and this is not going to change.

And FTR, i am disingenuous about a lot of geographical things, but not this.


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And I offered a cost savings solution about a page back, but you just wanted to keep droning "single layer".

I agree with everything you want to do. I sincerely hope they give it a shot.

But I think your changes are trying to achieve an objective that single payer could more easily accomplish.


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Again, single layer would be more expensive and a worse healthcare experience, so definitely not better

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Are you here to clarify that we don’t pay substantially more than every other single payer country?


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I'm not playing your disingenuous games. I've already answered this earlier in the thread and you know that. Americans get much much more for their costs than do any other country in the world.Apples and oranges.

Taking what you say to be true, I do t see that this is sustainable unless better price controls are implemented. Your position is fine if it were not for the fact that we already cover a majority (or large percentage) of the populace already, and this is not going to change.

And FTR, i am disingenuous about a lot of geographical things, but not this.


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And I offered a cost savings solution about a page back, but you just wanted to keep droning "single layer".

I agree with everything you want to do. I sincerely hope they give it a shot.

But I think your changes are trying to achieve an objective that single payer could more easily accomplish.


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Again, single layer would be more expensive and a worse healthcare experience, so definitely not better

You say that, but offer no proof.


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