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What the NYeck Times left off was this........typical MoT BS.
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Re: Single payer
Do you think the U.S. government is paying $5 per dose?HokieHam wrote:What the NYeck Times left off was this........typical MoT BS.
A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.
Single payer.
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You’re delusional and so in love with government intrusion into your life it’s not funny.ip_law-hokie wrote:Do you think the U.S. government is paying $5 per dose?HokieHam wrote:What the NYeck Times left off was this........typical MoT BS.
A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.
Single payer.
Anyone, and I mean anyone, can apply for their assistance program. Janssen, another big evil drug company offers the same program, for all of their “expensive” drugs. Let’s just say I know first hand. The reason these drugs are so expensive here is because of Medicare mandates and the fact that government has requirements for insurers when they try to negotiate lower prices. So, once again, government intrusion LOSES. When will you ever learn?...........
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A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.HokieHam wrote:You’re delusional and so in love with government intrusion into your life it’s not funny.ip_law-hokie wrote:Do you think the U.S. government is paying $5 per dose?HokieHam wrote:What the NYeck Times left off was this........typical MoT BS.
A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.
Single payer.
Anyone, and I mean anyone, can apply for their assistance program. Janssen, another big evil drug company offers the same program, for all of their “expensive” drugs. Let’s just say I know first hand. The reason these drugs are so expensive here is because of Medicare mandates and the fact that government has requirements for insurers when they try to negotiate lower prices. So, once again, government intrusion LOSES. When will you ever learn?...........
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You repeating your failed argument. Typical ip style.ip_law-hokie wrote:A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.HokieHam wrote:You’re delusional and so in love with government intrusion into your life it’s not funny.ip_law-hokie wrote:Do you think the U.S. government is paying $5 per dose?HokieHam wrote:What the NYeck Times left off was this........typical MoT BS.
A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.
Single payer.
Anyone, and I mean anyone, can apply for their assistance program. Janssen, another big evil drug company offers the same program, for all of their “expensive” drugs. Let’s just say I know first hand. The reason these drugs are so expensive here is because of Medicare mandates and the fact that government has requirements for insurers when they try to negotiate lower prices. So, once again, government intrusion LOSES. When will you ever learn?...........
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Facts are facts.HokieHam wrote:You repeating your failed argument. Typical ip style.ip_law-hokie wrote:A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.HokieHam wrote:You’re delusional and so in love with government intrusion into your life it’s not funny.ip_law-hokie wrote:Do you think the U.S. government is paying $5 per dose?HokieHam wrote:What the NYeck Times left off was this........typical MoT BS.
A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.
Single payer.
Anyone, and I mean anyone, can apply for their assistance program. Janssen, another big evil drug company offers the same program, for all of their “expensive” drugs. Let’s just say I know first hand. The reason these drugs are so expensive here is because of Medicare mandates and the fact that government has requirements for insurers when they try to negotiate lower prices. So, once again, government intrusion LOSES. When will you ever learn?...........
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Re: Single payer
Government has never made anything more efficient or less expensive, but IP has faith it will this time.........HokieHam wrote:You’re delusional and so in love with government intrusion into your life it’s not funny.ip_law-hokie wrote:Do you think the U.S. government is paying $5 per dose?HokieHam wrote:What the NYeck Times left off was this........typical MoT BS.
A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.
Single payer.
Anyone, and I mean anyone, can apply for their assistance program. Janssen, another big evil drug company offers the same program, for all of their “expensive” drugs. Let’s just say I know first hand. The reason these drugs are so expensive here is because of Medicare mandates and the fact that government has requirements for insurers when they try to negotiate lower prices. So, once again, government intrusion LOSES. When will you ever learn?...........
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Except for the cost of Humira. Or the cost of albuterol. Or the cost of to treat a patient for a year.USN_Hokie wrote:Government has never made anything more efficient or less expensive, but IP has faith it will this time.........HokieHam wrote:You’re delusional and so in love with government intrusion into your life it’s not funny.ip_law-hokie wrote:Do you think the U.S. government is paying $5 per dose?HokieHam wrote:What the NYeck Times left off was this........typical MoT BS.
A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.
Single payer.
Anyone, and I mean anyone, can apply for their assistance program. Janssen, another big evil drug company offers the same program, for all of their “expensive” drugs. Let’s just say I know first hand. The reason these drugs are so expensive here is because of Medicare mandates and the fact that government has requirements for insurers when they try to negotiate lower prices. So, once again, government intrusion LOSES. When will you ever learn?...........
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Nope.ip_law-hokie wrote:Except for the cost of Humira. Or the cost of albuterol. Or the cost of to treat a patient for a year.USN_Hokie wrote:Government has never made anything more efficient or less expensive, but IP has faith it will this time.........HokieHam wrote:You’re delusional and so in love with government intrusion into your life it’s not funny.ip_law-hokie wrote:Do you think the U.S. government is paying $5 per dose?HokieHam wrote:What the NYeck Times left off was this........typical MoT BS.
A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.
Single payer.
Anyone, and I mean anyone, can apply for their assistance program. Janssen, another big evil drug company offers the same program, for all of their “expensive” drugs. Let’s just say I know first hand. The reason these drugs are so expensive here is because of Medicare mandates and the fact that government has requirements for insurers when they try to negotiate lower prices. So, once again, government intrusion LOSES. When will you ever learn?...........
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A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.USN_Hokie wrote:Nope.ip_law-hokie wrote:Except for the cost of Humira. Or the cost of albuterol. Or the cost of to treat a patient for a year.USN_Hokie wrote:Government has never made anything more efficient or less expensive, but IP has faith it will this time.........HokieHam wrote:You’re delusional and so in love with government intrusion into your life it’s not funny.ip_law-hokie wrote:Do you think the U.S. government is paying $5 per dose?HokieHam wrote:What the NYeck Times left off was this........typical MoT BS.
A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.
Single payer.
Anyone, and I mean anyone, can apply for their assistance program. Janssen, another big evil drug company offers the same program, for all of their “expensive” drugs. Let’s just say I know first hand. The reason these drugs are so expensive here is because of Medicare mandates and the fact that government has requirements for insurers when they try to negotiate lower prices. So, once again, government intrusion LOSES. When will you ever learn?...........
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Nope.ip_law-hokie wrote:Facts are facts.HokieHam wrote:You repeating your failed argument. Typical ip style.ip_law-hokie wrote:A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.HokieHam wrote:You’re delusional and so in love with government intrusion into your life it’s not funny.ip_law-hokie wrote:Do you think the U.S. government is paying $5 per dose?HokieHam wrote:What the NYeck Times left off was this........typical MoT BS.
A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.
Single payer.
Anyone, and I mean anyone, can apply for their assistance program. Janssen, another big evil drug company offers the same program, for all of their “expensive” drugs. Let’s just say I know first hand. The reason these drugs are so expensive here is because of Medicare mandates and the fact that government has requirements for insurers when they try to negotiate lower prices. So, once again, government intrusion LOSES. When will you ever learn?...........
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OK. But Humira still costs about a third of the price in Switzerland as it does in the U.S., regardless of whether or not your ideology allows you to believe it.HokieHam wrote:Nope.ip_law-hokie wrote:Facts are facts.HokieHam wrote:You repeating your failed argument. Typical ip style.ip_law-hokie wrote:A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.HokieHam wrote:You’re delusional and so in love with government intrusion into your life it’s not funny.ip_law-hokie wrote:]
Do you think the U.S. government is paying $5 per dose?
A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.
Single payer.
Anyone, and I mean anyone, can apply for their assistance program. Janssen, another big evil drug company offers the same program, for all of their “expensive” drugs. Let’s just say I know first hand. The reason these drugs are so expensive here is because of Medicare mandates and the fact that government has requirements for insurers when they try to negotiate lower prices. So, once again, government intrusion LOSES. When will you ever learn?...........
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We all know government is good at redistributing money, but that's not what we're talking about.ip_law-hokie wrote:A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.USN_Hokie wrote:Nope.ip_law-hokie wrote:Except for the cost of Humira. Or the cost of albuterol. Or the cost of to treat a patient for a year.USN_Hokie wrote:Government has never made anything more efficient or less expensive, but IP has faith it will this time.........HokieHam wrote:You’re delusional and so in love with government intrusion into your life it’s not funny.ip_law-hokie wrote:
Do you think the U.S. government is paying $5 per dose?
A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.
Single payer.
Anyone, and I mean anyone, can apply for their assistance program. Janssen, another big evil drug company offers the same program, for all of their “expensive” drugs. Let’s just say I know first hand. The reason these drugs are so expensive here is because of Medicare mandates and the fact that government has requirements for insurers when they try to negotiate lower prices. So, once again, government intrusion LOSES. When will you ever learn?...........
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I'm talking about the price of Humira.USN_Hokie wrote:ip_law-hokie wrote:USN_Hokie wrote:We all know government is good at redistributing money, but that's not what we're talking about.ip_law-hokie wrote:A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.USN_Hokie wrote:Nope.HokieHam wrote: Except for the cost of Humira. Or the cost of albuterol. Or the cost of to treat a patient for a year.
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I'm talking about the price of Humira.USN_Hokie wrote:ip_law-hokie wrote:USN_Hokie wrote:We all know government is good at redistributing money, but that's not what we're talking about.ip_law-hokie wrote:A prefilled carton with two syringes costs $2,669 in the United States, compared with $1,362 in Britain, $822 in Switzerland and $552 in South Africa, according to a 2015 report from the International Federation of Health Plans.USN_Hokie wrote:Nope.HokieHam wrote: Except for the cost of Humira. Or the cost of albuterol. Or the cost of to treat a patient for a year.
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Yes, it costs $5/month in the US.ip_law-hokie wrote:I'm talking about the price of Humira.USN_Hokie wrote: We all know government is good at redistributing money, but that's not what we're talking about.
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Got it.USN_Hokie wrote:Yes, it costs $5/month in the US.ip_law-hokie wrote:I'm talking about the price of Humira.USN_Hokie wrote: We all know government is good at redistributing money, but that's not what we're talking about.
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I'm sorry that the facts don't align with your preferred political outcome.ip_law-hokie wrote:Got it.USN_Hokie wrote:Yes, it costs $5/month in the US.ip_law-hokie wrote:I'm talking about the price of Humira.USN_Hokie wrote: We all know government is good at redistributing money, but that's not what we're talking about.
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I logged onto my health insurance website and my cost would be $35/month, FWIW.
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I thought it was $5. Why would you pay $35?USN_Hokie wrote:I'm sorry that the facts don't align with your preferred political outcome.ip_law-hokie wrote:Got it.USN_Hokie wrote:Yes, it costs $5/month in the US.ip_law-hokie wrote:I'm talking about the price of Humira.USN_Hokie wrote: We all know government is good at redistributing money, but that's not what we're talking about.
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I logged onto my health insurance website and my cost would be $35/month, FWIW.
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Because that’s through HIS insurance plan. How hard is that to understand? He more than likely would not get approved by Humira if that is the case, although he could. The pharmaceutical company makes the decision.ip_law-hokie wrote:I thought it was $5. Why would you pay $35?USN_Hokie wrote:I'm sorry that the facts don't align with your preferred political outcome.ip_law-hokie wrote:Got it.USN_Hokie wrote:Yes, it costs $5/month in the US.ip_law-hokie wrote:I'm talking about the price of Humira.USN_Hokie wrote: We all know government is good at redistributing money, but that's not what we're talking about.
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I logged onto my health insurance website and my cost would be $35/month, FWIW.
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Look, I have to get infusions once a month. The drug I get is from Janssen. The little bag it comes in would cost me $17,000. My insurance company negotiated with Janssen and my out of pocket would be $1,700/month. I applied for Janssen assistance. In the end, I paid $0.
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So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.HokieHam wrote:Because that’s through HIS insurance plan. How hard is that to understand? He more than likely would not get approved by Humira if that is the case, although he could. The pharmaceutical company makes the decision.ip_law-hokie wrote:I thought it was $5. Why would you pay $35?USN_Hokie wrote:I'm sorry that the facts don't align with your preferred political outcome.ip_law-hokie wrote:Got it.USN_Hokie wrote:Yes, it costs $5/month in the US.ip_law-hokie wrote: I'm talking about the price of Humira.
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I logged onto my health insurance website and my cost would be $35/month, FWIW.
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Look, I have to get infusions once a month. The drug I get is from Janssen. The little bag it comes in would cost me $17,000. My insurance company negotiated with Janssen and my out of pocket would be $1,700/month. I applied for Janssen assistance. In the end, I paid $0.
Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.
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This is great. You truly do not understand.So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.
Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.
Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.
His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.
And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!
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Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?HokieHam wrote:This is great. You truly do not understand.So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.
Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.
Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.
His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.
And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!
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Re: Single payer
Politics doesn't allow taking a benefit away from a minority group of people once they've been given it regardless of how damaging it is to the majority, and the citizenry overall. Couple that with the states addiction to the new 100% reimbursement for medicare expansion and you will never get enough senators to vote to repeal or replace. Politics trumps a bad law.ip_law-hokie wrote:Now would be a great opportunity to fix all of this. Where's the GOP plan?HokieHam wrote:This is great. You truly do not understand.So its not $5? Maybe Cap’n’s insurance gets it for $5.
Or maybe Cap’n’s insurance is paying the full rate, and Cap’n will blame Obamacare for his premiums that are rising about 50% a year.
Humira could opt to make it $5 and accept Cap’n’s application for assistance. Or they could deny. It’s based on income, illness and other factors. I’m sure their application is very similar to Jansens.
His insurance company and mine for that matter do not pay the full rates as they negotiate with the pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately, the insurance companies are limited by federal laws in how they can negotiate, which makes the drugs more costly to the insurance companies.
And no, we can blame that travesty of Obamacare all by itself for the raising of our premiums, since we are forced to pay for coverage on things we would never need.........brilliant!