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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:11 pm 
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They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with


Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale

Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.


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Ethical behavior is a requirement to having security clearances.

There goes Trump.


What confidential info has he leaked?
... :?:

Didn't realize ethical behavior was limited to releasing information that was "confidential".


When that is the VERY exact nature of having a security clearance?
Reallly?

But it isn't.

Top secret it is indirectly. You're ethics make it a lot easier to pass the life-style.


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[quote="RiverguyVT"]Ethical behavior is a requirement to having security clearances.

There goes Trump.


What confidential info has he leaked?
... :?:

Didn't realize ethical behavior was limited to releasing information that was "confidential".


When that is the VERY exact nature of having a security clearance?
Reallly?

But it isn't.

Top secret it is indirectly. You're ethics make it a lot easier to pass the life-style.[/quote]Nope. It's about minimizing bribes and blackmail.

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TheH2 wrote:
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What confidential info has he leaked?
... :?:

Didn't realize ethical behavior was limited to releasing information that was "confidential".


When that is the VERY exact nature of having a security clearance?
Reallly?

But it isn't.

Top secret it is indirectly. You're ethics make it a lot easier to pass the life-style.

No they don't. You really don't know what you're talking about. Mist people with a TS clearance have never taken a poly as it isn't required for all entities and functions. And most polys that are taken are not lifestyle polys. Tge sole purpose of a polygraph is to establish baseline data so that thru future exams it is readily apparent whether you are lying or not


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Discretion has nothing to do with security clearances.
Okay.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:09 pm 
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Discretion has nothing to do with security clearances.
Okay.
Got it.

Just curious, how many clearances have you had? How many polygraphs have you taken?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:42 am 
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No they don't. You really don't know what you're talking about. Mist people with a TS clearance have never taken a poly as it isn't required for all entities and functions. And most polys that are taken are not lifestyle polys. Tge sole purpose of a polygraph is to establish baseline data so that thru future exams it is readily apparent whether you are lying or not


This whole thing was basically a joke. Yes, there are top secret clearances without a poly. I don't know about most? The majority of people I know with top secret clearance work at the CIA. They all had a poly. Maybe it's not common at DOD for top secret? Next time I will write a dissertation about a mostly tic response.


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No they don't. You really don't know what you're talking about. Mist people with a TS clearance have never taken a poly as it isn't required for all entities and functions. And most polys that are taken are not lifestyle polys. Tge sole purpose of a polygraph is to establish baseline data so that thru future exams it is readily apparent whether you are lying or not


This whole thing was basically a joke. Yes, there are top secret clearances without a poly. I don't know about most? The majority of people I know with top secret clearance work at the CIA. They all had a poly. Maybe it's not common at DOD for top secret? Next time I will write a dissertation about a mostly tic response.
Or just stop speaking out of your ass, which is what really happened.

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They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with


Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale

Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:40 pm 
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133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
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They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with


Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale

Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.


This is where I stand.


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No they don't. You really don't know what you're talking about. Mist people with a TS clearance have never taken a poly as it isn't required for all entities and functions. And most polys that are taken are not lifestyle polys. Tge sole purpose of a polygraph is to establish baseline data so that thru future exams it is readily apparent whether you are lying or not


This whole thing was basically a joke. Yes, there are top secret clearances without a poly. I don't know about most? The majority of people I know with top secret clearance work at the CIA. They all had a poly. Maybe it's not common at DOD for top secret? Next time I will write a dissertation about a mostly tic response.


Are these the same clandestine CIA agents who won't buy a hotdog at a Nationals game so they don't have to report it?

:lol:


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ElbertoHokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
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They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with


Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale

Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.


This is where I stand.


The entire country is balkanizing. Lefty states are moving further to the left and Conservative states more to the right (though the delta has been mostly a shift to the left). It's only going to get worse.

Edit: I completely effed up my original post.


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USN_Hokie wrote:
ElbertoHokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
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They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with


Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale

Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.


This is where I stand.


The entire country is balkanizing. Lefty states are moving further to the left and Conservative states more to the left.

Yup. All the leftists destroy their states with debt and other #shithole policies and then move to the conservative ones with low taxes.....

I don’t think this ends well.....

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ElbertoHokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
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They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with


Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale

Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.


This is where I stand.


I dunno
Comparatively, the left extremists have clearly taken the needle further left than the right extremists have taken the right, to the right.

I keep reading all the time that "extremists have taken over both parties"... uhm, no, not in the way that that statement wants to convey. Leftists have indeed infiltrated the Republican Party, and moved it leftward. Outright communists have taken over the dem party and moved it radically leftward. Gone are the Hubert Humphreys and Tip ONeills... replaced by the Keith Ellison and Saul Alinskyites of the world

No one taken seriously on the right espouses KKK style nutjobbery. No one.

Keith Ellison was just the other day pimping ANTIFA books. Bernie Sanders was a serious candidate. No. There are no right wing public figures of similar weight.

The crazies have high jacked the dem party, and softer liberals highjacked the Republican Party.

This is unarguable.


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RiverguyVT wrote:
ElbertoHokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
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They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with


Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale

Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.


This is where I stand.


I dunno
Comparatively, the left extremists have clearly taken the needle further left than the right extremists have taken the right, to the right.

I keep reading all the time that "extremists have taken over both parties"... uhm, no, not in the way that that statement wants to convey. Leftists have indeed infiltrated the Republican Party, and moved it leftward. Outright communists have taken over the dem party and moved it radically leftward. Gone are the Hubert Humphreys and Tip ONeills... replaced by the Keith Ellison and Saul Alinskyites of the world

No one taken seriously on the right espouses KKK style nutjobbery. No one.

Keith Ellison was just the other day pimping ANTIFA books. Bernie Sanders was a serious candidate. No. There are no right wing public figures of similar weight.

The crazies have high jacked the dem party, and softer liberals highjacked the Republican Party.

This is unarguable.
The left accuses what the left does.

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The left accuses what the left does

I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)


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The left accuses what the left does

I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)
He was another delusional loon.

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RiverguyVT wrote:
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The left accuses what the left does

I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)
He was another delusional loon.


I dunno
He was very well informed on some things (economy), and terribly naive on others (media bias).


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RiverguyVT wrote:
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The left accuses what the left does

I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)
He was another delusional loon.


I dunno
He was very well informed on some things (economy), and terribly naive on others (media bias).
He was a peak oil loon and couldn't comprehend that electric cars don't pay their road costs when it's financed via gas taxes. I had him categorized as a cowboy that was all hat. Lot's of talking and especially talking down while not being all that bright himself.

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RiverguyVT wrote:
ElbertoHokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
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They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with


Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale

Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.


This is where I stand.


I dunno
Comparatively, the left extremists have clearly taken the needle further left than the right extremists have taken the right, to the right.

I keep reading all the time that "extremists have taken over both parties"... uhm, no, not in the way that that statement wants to convey. Leftists have indeed infiltrated the Republican Party, and moved it leftward. Outright communists have taken over the dem party and moved it radically leftward. Gone are the Hubert Humphreys and Tip ONeills... replaced by the Keith Ellison and Saul Alinskyites of the world

No one taken seriously on the right espouses KKK style nutjobbery. No one.

Keith Ellison was just the other day pimping ANTIFA books. Bernie Sanders was a serious candidate. No. There are no right wing public figures of similar weight.

The crazies have high jacked the dem party, and softer liberals highjacked the Republican Party.

This is unarguable.


I'd say this is mostly true, with the exception of social conservatives. But, to your point, it's not so much that they're moving to the right...they've always been out there and the rest of the world is more socially tolerant.
From a fiscal standpoint, your point is spot on.


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RiverguyVT wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
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The left accuses what the left does

I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)
He was another delusional loon.


I dunno
He was very well informed on some things (economy), and terribly naive on others (media bias).


Wasn't he on the peak oil train, or am I misremembering?


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USN_Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
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The left accuses what the left does

I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)
He was another delusional loon.


I dunno
He was very well informed on some things (economy), and terribly naive on others (media bias).


Wasn't he on the peak oil train, or am I misremembering?
Not only on the peak oil train, but the conductor.

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I'd say this is mostly true, with the exception of social conservatives. But, to your point, it's not so much that they're moving to the right...they've always been out there and the rest of the world is more socially tolerant.
From a fiscal standpoint, your point is spot on.

Im not sure I follow. Are you saying social conservatives (and I'm not sure how that is being defined) have always been extremists?

Not sure I agry with that either.


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I'd say this is mostly true, with the exception of social conservatives. But, to your point, it's not so much that they're moving to the right...they've always been out there and the rest of the world is more socially tolerant.
From a fiscal standpoint, your point is spot on.

Im not sure I follow. Are you saying social conservatives (and I'm not sure how that is being defined) have always been extremists?

Not sure I agry with that either.


He's playing a word game that's obfuscating a good point. 40 years ago, it was common sense that a man doesn't get a pap smear. Now you're transphobic if you don't pap smear their natural or mutilated penis. He's calling that socially tolerant when it's really them taking a hard left and then rocketing over the moon.

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USN_Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
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The left accuses what the left does

I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)
He was another delusional loon.


I dunno
He was very well informed on some things (economy), and terribly naive on others (media bias).


Wasn't he on the peak oil train, or am I misremembering?



I didn't remember that. Was he saying supply was limited, or that we were running out? Hah.


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