Page 3 of 4

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:11 pm
by 133743Hokie
RiverguyVT wrote:
They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:02 pm
by TheH2
133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:Ethical behavior is a requirement to having security clearances.
There goes Trump.
What confidential info has he leaked?
... :?:
Didn't realize ethical behavior was limited to releasing information that was "confidential".
When that is the VERY exact nature of having a security clearance?
Reallly?
But it isn't.
Top secret it is indirectly. You're ethics make it a lot easier to pass the life-style.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:05 pm
by awesome guy
TheH2 wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
TheH2 wrote: There goes Trump.
What confidential info has he leaked?
... :?:
Didn't realize ethical behavior was limited to releasing information that was "confidential".
When that is the VERY exact nature of having a security clearance?
Reallly?
But it isn't.
Top secret it is indirectly. You're ethics make it a lot easier to pass the life-style.
Nope. It's about minimizing bribes and blackmail.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:17 am
by 133743Hokie
TheH2 wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
What confidential info has he leaked?
... :?:
Didn't realize ethical behavior was limited to releasing information that was "confidential".
When that is the VERY exact nature of having a security clearance?
Reallly?
But it isn't.
Top secret it is indirectly. You're ethics make it a lot easier to pass the life-style.
No they don't. You really don't know what you're talking about. Mist people with a TS clearance have never taken a poly as it isn't required for all entities and functions. And most polys that are taken are not lifestyle polys. Tge sole purpose of a polygraph is to establish baseline data so that thru future exams it is readily apparent whether you are lying or not

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:01 am
by RiverguyVT
Discretion has nothing to do with security clearances.
Okay.
Got it.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:09 am
by 133743Hokie
RiverguyVT wrote:Discretion has nothing to do with security clearances.
Okay.
Got it.
Just curious, how many clearances have you had? How many polygraphs have you taken?

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:42 pm
by TheH2
133743Hokie wrote: No they don't. You really don't know what you're talking about. Mist people with a TS clearance have never taken a poly as it isn't required for all entities and functions. And most polys that are taken are not lifestyle polys. Tge sole purpose of a polygraph is to establish baseline data so that thru future exams it is readily apparent whether you are lying or not
This whole thing was basically a joke. Yes, there are top secret clearances without a poly. I don't know about most? The majority of people I know with top secret clearance work at the CIA. They all had a poly. Maybe it's not common at DOD for top secret? Next time I will write a dissertation about a mostly tic response.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:54 pm
by awesome guy
TheH2 wrote:
133743Hokie wrote: No they don't. You really don't know what you're talking about. Mist people with a TS clearance have never taken a poly as it isn't required for all entities and functions. And most polys that are taken are not lifestyle polys. Tge sole purpose of a polygraph is to establish baseline data so that thru future exams it is readily apparent whether you are lying or not
This whole thing was basically a joke. Yes, there are top secret clearances without a poly. I don't know about most? The majority of people I know with top secret clearance work at the CIA. They all had a poly. Maybe it's not common at DOD for top secret? Next time I will write a dissertation about a mostly tic response.
Or just stop speaking out of your ass, which is what really happened.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:33 pm
by ip_law-hokie
133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.
This is correct.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:40 pm
by ElbertoHokie
133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.
This is where I stand.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:39 pm
by USN_Hokie
TheH2 wrote:
133743Hokie wrote: No they don't. You really don't know what you're talking about. Mist people with a TS clearance have never taken a poly as it isn't required for all entities and functions. And most polys that are taken are not lifestyle polys. Tge sole purpose of a polygraph is to establish baseline data so that thru future exams it is readily apparent whether you are lying or not
This whole thing was basically a joke. Yes, there are top secret clearances without a poly. I don't know about most? The majority of people I know with top secret clearance work at the CIA. They all had a poly. Maybe it's not common at DOD for top secret? Next time I will write a dissertation about a mostly tic response.
Are these the same clandestine CIA agents who won't buy a hotdog at a Nationals game so they don't have to report it?

:lol:

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:55 pm
by USN_Hokie
ElbertoHokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.
This is where I stand.
The entire country is balkanizing. Lefty states are moving further to the left and Conservative states more to the right (though the delta has been mostly a shift to the left). It's only going to get worse.

Edit: I completely effed up my original post.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:00 pm
by HokieHam
USN_Hokie wrote:
ElbertoHokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.
This is where I stand.
The entire country is balkanizing. Lefty states are moving further to the left and Conservative states more to the left.
Yup. All the leftists destroy their states with debt and other #shithole policies and then move to the conservative ones with low taxes.....

I don’t think this ends well.....

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:00 pm
by RiverguyVT
ElbertoHokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.
This is where I stand.
I dunno
Comparatively, the left extremists have clearly taken the needle further left than the right extremists have taken the right, to the right.

I keep reading all the time that "extremists have taken over both parties"... uhm, no, not in the way that that statement wants to convey. Leftists have indeed infiltrated the Republican Party, and moved it leftward. Outright communists have taken over the dem party and moved it radically leftward. Gone are the Hubert Humphreys and Tip ONeills... replaced by the Keith Ellison and Saul Alinskyites of the world

No one taken seriously on the right espouses KKK style nutjobbery. No one.

Keith Ellison was just the other day pimping ANTIFA books. Bernie Sanders was a serious candidate. No. There are no right wing public figures of similar weight.

The crazies have high jacked the dem party, and softer liberals highjacked the Republican Party.

This is unarguable.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:03 pm
by awesome guy
RiverguyVT wrote:
ElbertoHokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.
This is where I stand.
I dunno
Comparatively, the left extremists have clearly taken the needle further left than the right extremists have taken the right, to the right.

I keep reading all the time that "extremists have taken over both parties"... uhm, no, not in the way that that statement wants to convey. Leftists have indeed infiltrated the Republican Party, and moved it leftward. Outright communists have taken over the dem party and moved it radically leftward. Gone are the Hubert Humphreys and Tip ONeills... replaced by the Keith Ellison and Saul Alinskyites of the world

No one taken seriously on the right espouses KKK style nutjobbery. No one.

Keith Ellison was just the other day pimping ANTIFA books. Bernie Sanders was a serious candidate. No. There are no right wing public figures of similar weight.

The crazies have high jacked the dem party, and softer liberals highjacked the Republican Party.

This is unarguable.
The left accuses what the left does.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:07 pm
by RiverguyVT
The left accuses what the left does
I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:23 pm
by awesome guy
RiverguyVT wrote:
The left accuses what the left does
I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)
He was another delusional loon.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:26 pm
by RiverguyVT
awesome guy wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
The left accuses what the left does
I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)
He was another delusional loon.
I dunno
He was very well informed on some things (economy), and terribly naive on others (media bias).

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:31 pm
by awesome guy
RiverguyVT wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
The left accuses what the left does
I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)
He was another delusional loon.
I dunno
He was very well informed on some things (economy), and terribly naive on others (media bias).
He was a peak oil loon and couldn't comprehend that electric cars don't pay their road costs when it's financed via gas taxes. I had him categorized as a cowboy that was all hat. Lot's of talking and especially talking down while not being all that bright himself.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:35 pm
by HokieFanDC
RiverguyVT wrote:
ElbertoHokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
They've always been fools, that's how they got to be liberals to begin with
Agry to disagry.
I'm seeing a jettisoning of classic liberalism, which clearly should have a seat at the table of public policy discussion, exchanging it instead for sheer lunacy. And I'm seeing it on a broad scale
Agree. The fringe has taken over both parties, pushing them further to the extremes. That isn't good as we don't need extremists running things.
This is where I stand.
I dunno
Comparatively, the left extremists have clearly taken the needle further left than the right extremists have taken the right, to the right.

I keep reading all the time that "extremists have taken over both parties"... uhm, no, not in the way that that statement wants to convey. Leftists have indeed infiltrated the Republican Party, and moved it leftward. Outright communists have taken over the dem party and moved it radically leftward. Gone are the Hubert Humphreys and Tip ONeills... replaced by the Keith Ellison and Saul Alinskyites of the world

No one taken seriously on the right espouses KKK style nutjobbery. No one.

Keith Ellison was just the other day pimping ANTIFA books. Bernie Sanders was a serious candidate. No. There are no right wing public figures of similar weight.

The crazies have high jacked the dem party, and softer liberals highjacked the Republican Party.

This is unarguable.
I'd say this is mostly true, with the exception of social conservatives. But, to your point, it's not so much that they're moving to the right...they've always been out there and the rest of the world is more socially tolerant.
From a fiscal standpoint, your point is spot on.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:24 pm
by USN_Hokie
RiverguyVT wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
The left accuses what the left does
I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)
He was another delusional loon.
I dunno
He was very well informed on some things (economy), and terribly naive on others (media bias).
Wasn't he on the peak oil train, or am I misremembering?

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:34 pm
by awesome guy
USN_Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
The left accuses what the left does
I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)
He was another delusional loon.
I dunno
He was very well informed on some things (economy), and terribly naive on others (media bias).
Wasn't he on the peak oil train, or am I misremembering?
Not only on the peak oil train, but the conductor.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:43 pm
by RiverguyVT
I'd say this is mostly true, with the exception of social conservatives. But, to your point, it's not so much that they're moving to the right...they've always been out there and the rest of the world is more socially tolerant.
From a fiscal standpoint, your point is spot on.
Im not sure I follow. Are you saying social conservatives (and I'm not sure how that is being defined) have always been extremists?

Not sure I agry with that either.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:52 pm
by awesome guy
RiverguyVT wrote:
I'd say this is mostly true, with the exception of social conservatives. But, to your point, it's not so much that they're moving to the right...they've always been out there and the rest of the world is more socially tolerant.
From a fiscal standpoint, your point is spot on.
Im not sure I follow. Are you saying social conservatives (and I'm not sure how that is being defined) have always been extremists?

Not sure I agry with that either.
He's playing a word game that's obfuscating a good point. 40 years ago, it was common sense that a man doesn't get a pap smear. Now you're transphobic if you don't pap smear their natural or mutilated penis. He's calling that socially tolerant when it's really them taking a hard left and then rocketing over the moon.

Re: Feinstein sabotaging the Fusion GPS investigation.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:00 pm
by RiverguyVT
USN_Hokie wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
RiverguyVT wrote:
The left accuses what the left does
I remember taking that stand YEARS ago, and the much-loved Rusty pilloried me for it. But I didn't back down. Absolutely, the left projects (see:russiagate)
He was another delusional loon.
I dunno
He was very well informed on some things (economy), and terribly naive on others (media bias).
Wasn't he on the peak oil train, or am I misremembering?

I didn't remember that. Was he saying supply was limited, or that we were running out? Hah.