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So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DACA

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:19 pm
by Mcl3 Hokie
What law is he ruling on? As I understand it, DACA was created with a Presidential memorandum by Obama and is not law. Presidential memorandums can be changed at any time, correct?

Re: So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DAC

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:23 pm
by awesome guy
Mcl3 Hokie wrote:What law is he ruling on? As I understand it, DACA was created with a Presidential memorandum by Obama and is not law. Presidential memorandums can be changed at any time, correct?
The Doctrine of Liberal Butt Hurt allows them to do anything they want as long as they think "This is different" or they really, really, really want it. Crybabies.

Re: So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DAC

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:26 pm
by USN_Hokie
I would imagine the 9CA is about to get bee itch slapped by the SCOTUS again. Frankly, Trump and congress should take a wrecking ball them.

Re: So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DAC

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:40 pm
by HokieHam
With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed. . . . The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws. . . . There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.
It was an executive order soon after Obeezy said this. They tried to pass it as a bill twice from what I recall.

Re: So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DAC

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:45 pm
by 133743Hokie
HokieHam wrote:
With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed. . . . The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws. . . . There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.
It was an executive order soon after Obeezy said this. They tried to pass it as a bill twice from what I recall.
Yep, and all Trump has essentially tried to do is say "this EO is illegal. This matter needs to be resolved by congress thru law. Therefore I'm rescinding the EO and putting the onus on congress to resolve this thru the legislative process where it belongs." Every American should cheer his rollback of executive overreach and putting this back to congress.

Re: So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DAC

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:52 pm
by HokieHam
133743Hokie wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed. . . . The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws. . . . There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.
It was an executive order soon after Obeezy said this. They tried to pass it as a bill twice from what I recall.
Yep, and all Trump has essentially tried to do is say "this EO is illegal. This matter needs to be resolved by congress thru law. Therefore I'm rescinding the EO and putting the onus on congress to resolve this thru the legislative process where it belongs." Every American should cheer his rollback of executive overreach and putting this back to congress.
They should......but, feelings......

Re: So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DAC

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:58 pm
by CFB Apologist
As we have seen time and again with the Anti-American Cuckhold judge in Hawaii, these alt-left communists think they can do whatever they want. When smart pro-Americans enter the conversation, they are quickly shut down- as it should be.

Re: So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DAC

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:00 pm
by cwtcr hokie
USN_Hokie wrote:I would imagine the 9CA is about to get bee itch slapped by the SCOTUS again. Frankly, Trump and congress should take a wrecking ball them.
yep, it is hard to fix stupid

Re: So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DAC

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:03 pm
by ip_law-hokie
cwtcr hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:I would imagine the 9CA is about to get bee itch slapped by the SCOTUS again. Frankly, Trump and congress should take a wrecking ball them.
yep, it is hard to fix stupid
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Re: So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DAC

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:46 pm
by cwtcr hokie
ip_law-hokie wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:I would imagine the 9CA is about to get bee itch slapped by the SCOTUS again. Frankly, Trump and congress should take a wrecking ball them.
yep, it is hard to fix stupid
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Fester, your insults are hilarious, if only you knew me :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DAC

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:59 pm
by BigDave
Mcl3 Hokie wrote:What law is he ruling on? As I understand it, DACA was created with a Presidential memorandum by Obama and is not law. Presidential memorandums can be changed at any time, correct?
FYI, I read an article about it and the (supposed) basis for the ruling is this:

1. All laws and executive orders, in order to be valid, must have at least a rational basis. (You cannot pass a law banning red-haired people from eating popcorn on Tuesdays because there is no rational basis for such a law.)

2. Trump claims as his rational basis for rescinding DACA that DACA was illegal to begin with.

3. DACA was not illegal to begin with because the Supreme Court has not declared it to be illegal and until the Supreme Court steps in it is legal (this is absurd reasoning)

4. There is therefore no rational basis for rescinding DACA and that rescission is illegal

I obviously agree with very little of the above ... just letting anyone interested know what the supposed basis for the ruling is.

Re: So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DAC

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:10 pm
by ip_law-hokie
cwtcr hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:I would imagine the 9CA is about to get bee itch slapped by the SCOTUS again. Frankly, Trump and congress should take a wrecking ball them.
yep, it is hard to fix stupid
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Fester, your insults are hilarious, if only you knew me :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DAC

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:43 pm
by Mcl3 Hokie
Feaxcahontas is on Fox saying she wants America to live up to its promise to the DACA individuals. I’m confused. What promises did America make to them? I’m not aware of any.

Re: So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DAC

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:00 am
by awesome guy
Mcl3 Hokie wrote:Feaxcahontas is on Fox saying she wants America to live up to its promise to the DACA individuals. I’m confused. What promises did America make to them? I’m not aware of any.
She's mentally unstable

Re: So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DAC

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:50 am
by USN_Hokie
BigDave wrote:
Mcl3 Hokie wrote:What law is he ruling on? As I understand it, DACA was created with a Presidential memorandum by Obama and is not law. Presidential memorandums can be changed at any time, correct?
FYI, I read an article about it and the (supposed) basis for the ruling is this:

1. All laws and executive orders, in order to be valid, must have at least a rational basis. (You cannot pass a law banning red-haired people from eating popcorn on Tuesdays because there is no rational basis for such a law.)

2. Trump claims as his rational basis for rescinding DACA that DACA was illegal to begin with.

3. DACA was not illegal to begin with because the Supreme Court has not declared it to be illegal and until the Supreme Court steps in it is legal (this is absurd reasoning)

4. There is therefore no rational basis for rescinding DACA and that rescission is illegal

I obviously agree with very little of the above ... just letting anyone interested know what the supposed basis for the ruling is.
Imagine applying that ridiculous logic to FDR's internment camp EO.

Re: So a Federal Judge in CA blocks Trump from canceling DAC

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:51 am
by USN_Hokie
Mcl3 Hokie wrote:Feaxcahontas is on Fox saying she wants America to live up to its promise to the DACA individuals. I’m confused. What promises did America make to them? I’m not aware of any.
Yeah I don't remember making any promises either.