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...was employed and/or informant for the FBI until 2016? Don't have time to sort this all out, but it makes interesting discussion. FBI and Comey will burn if this is true.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... hes-a-spy/
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USN_Hokie wrote:...was employed by the FBI until 2016? Don't have time to sort this all out, but it makes interesting discussion. FBI and Comey will burn if this is true.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... hes-a-spy/
Man, stuff like this really makes me think about the Cody Snodgres story. These are the exact type of tactics that he said the FBI and CIA use when running domestic operations.
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USN_Hokie wrote:Townhall reporting the same...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/chrisreev ... s-n2444651
The claim that Page was an employee is new to me, but the stuff on Townhall is old news.
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Wow
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Straight from the FBI:

In the summer of 2014, BURYAKOV met numerous times with a confidential source working for the FBI (“CS-1”). CS-1 posed as the representative of a wealthy investor looking to develop casinos in Russia. During the course of these meetings, and consistent with his interests as a Russian intelligence agent, BURYAKOV demonstrated his strong desire to obtain information about subjects far outside the scope of his work as a bank employee. During these meetings, BURYAKOV also accepted documents that CS-1 claimed he had obtained from a U.S. government agency and which purportedly contained information potentially useful to Russia, including information about United States sanctions against Russia.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press ... -york-city
CS-1 = Carter Page.

This explains why this dude was "under surveillance" for forever without ever being tried / convicted of anything.
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Isn't this all related to the 2013 FISC warrant? Page was approached by Russians wanting to get him to spy for them. He contacted the FBI and he helped them ID and ultimately prosecute the guys in 2014. I assume that after that was resolved they left him out there for further contact as much of his business was with/in Russia.
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133743Hokie wrote:Isn't this all related to the 2013 FISC warrant? Page was approached by Russians wanting to get him to spy for them. He contacted the FBI and he helped them ID and ultimately prosecute the guys in 2014. I assume that after that was resolved they left him out there for further contact as much of his business was with/in Russia.
This alleges that he didn't "contact" the FBI, he was working with them from the beginning.
The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ev ... iracy-work
This is 180 out from what the media was reporting as recently as this weekend:
Whatever Page’s motives were for helping Russian intelligence—greed, naivety, stupidity—his actions surely justified the FBI’s interest in him. There was a simple way of avoiding U.S. surveillance and a FISA court warrant. It could be summed up like this: Don’t hang out with Russian spies.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... emo-216934
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USN_Hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:Isn't this all related to the 2013 FISC warrant? Page was approached by Russians wanting to get him to spy for them. He contacted the FBI and he helped them ID and ultimately prosecute the guys in 2014. I assume that after that was resolved they left him out there for further contact as much of his business was with/in Russia.
This alleges that he didn't "contact" the FBI, he was working with them from the beginning.
The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ev ... iracy-work
This is 180 out from what the media was reporting as recently as this weekend:
Whatever Page’s motives were for helping Russian intelligence—greed, naivety, stupidity—his actions surely justified the FBI’s interest in him. There was a simple way of avoiding U.S. surveillance and a FISA court warrant. It could be summed up like this: Don’t hang out with Russian spies.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... emo-216934
Yes, this is the Page story. As I said he helped the FBI nail the guys. To do so he had to be an informant. This is old news.
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133743Hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:Isn't this all related to the 2013 FISC warrant? Page was approached by Russians wanting to get him to spy for them. He contacted the FBI and he helped them ID and ultimately prosecute the guys in 2014. I assume that after that was resolved they left him out there for further contact as much of his business was with/in Russia.
This alleges that he didn't "contact" the FBI, he was working with them from the beginning.
The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ev ... iracy-work
This is 180 out from what the media was reporting as recently as this weekend:
Whatever Page’s motives were for helping Russian intelligence—greed, naivety, stupidity—his actions surely justified the FBI’s interest in him. There was a simple way of avoiding U.S. surveillance and a FISA court warrant. It could be summed up like this: Don’t hang out with Russian spies.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... emo-216934
Yes, this is the Page story. As I said he helped the FBI nail the guys. To do so he had to be an informant. This is old news.
No, I disagree. There's a difference between being an FBI plant and being an ordinary citizen who turns after being approached.

Why? Because the FBI used that interaction as a justification to spy on him and Trump. IF he was on their team all along...
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This is nuts. The liberals are crying that Trump is undermining the FBI by snitching on their politically motivated and criminal activity, not the criminal activity that took place.
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The liberals are using the government to attack political foes, like Russia does.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:Isn't this all related to the 2013 FISC warrant? Page was approached by Russians wanting to get him to spy for them. He contacted the FBI and he helped them ID and ultimately prosecute the guys in 2014. I assume that after that was resolved they left him out there for further contact as much of his business was with/in Russia.
This alleges that he didn't "contact" the FBI, he was working with them from the beginning.
The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ev ... iracy-work
This is 180 out from what the media was reporting as recently as this weekend:
Whatever Page’s motives were for helping Russian intelligence—greed, naivety, stupidity—his actions surely justified the FBI’s interest in him. There was a simple way of avoiding U.S. surveillance and a FISA court warrant. It could be summed up like this: Don’t hang out with Russian spies.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... emo-216934
Yes, this is the Page story. As I said he helped the FBI nail the guys. To do so he had to be an informant. This is old news.
No, I disagree. There's a difference between being an FBI plant and being an ordinary citizen who turns after being approached.

Why? Because the FBI used that interaction as a justification to spy on him and Trump. IF he was on their team all along...
Two disconnected time periods and events.

2013: He was approached by Russians he was doing business with in attempt to get him to spy for them. Worked with FBI as their informant to prosecute them. FISA warrant was used to gather the evidence needed to trap the Russians.

2016: He had extensive activity with Russians for business. He had brief interaction with Trump campaign. FBI used FISA warrant to gather info to determine if link between Trump campaign and Russians.

He wasn't on the FBI's team all along. He assisted them in 2013-14. That's all. There was no involvement after that.
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133743Hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:Isn't this all related to the 2013 FISC warrant? Page was approached by Russians wanting to get him to spy for them. He contacted the FBI and he helped them ID and ultimately prosecute the guys in 2014. I assume that after that was resolved they left him out there for further contact as much of his business was with/in Russia.
This alleges that he didn't "contact" the FBI, he was working with them from the beginning.
The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ev ... iracy-work
This is 180 out from what the media was reporting as recently as this weekend:
Whatever Page’s motives were for helping Russian intelligence—greed, naivety, stupidity—his actions surely justified the FBI’s interest in him. There was a simple way of avoiding U.S. surveillance and a FISA court warrant. It could be summed up like this: Don’t hang out with Russian spies.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... emo-216934
Yes, this is the Page story. As I said he helped the FBI nail the guys. To do so he had to be an informant. This is old news.
No, I disagree. There's a difference between being an FBI plant and being an ordinary citizen who turns after being approached.

Why? Because the FBI used that interaction as a justification to spy on him and Trump. IF he was on their team all along...
Two disconnected time periods and events.

2013: He was approached by Russians he was doing business with in attempt to get him to spy for them. Worked with FBI as their informant to prosecute them. FISA warrant was used to gather the evidence needed to trap the Russians.

2016: He had extensive activity with Russians for business. He had brief interaction with Trump campaign. FBI used FISA warrant to gather info to determine if link between Trump campaign and Russians.

He wasn't on the FBI's team all along. He assisted them in 2013-14. That's all. There was no involvement after that.
I think we're talking in circles at this point, but this alleges he worked with the FBI from 2013 until 2016 (that was when the case closed). In 2016 he decided to volunteer for the Trump campaign.

Back to my point - this alleges his "involvement" with the Russians was in coordination with the FBI from the beginning, but then later somehow formed the basis for obtaining a FISA warrant against him.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:Isn't this all related to the 2013 FISC warrant? Page was approached by Russians wanting to get him to spy for them. He contacted the FBI and he helped them ID and ultimately prosecute the guys in 2014. I assume that after that was resolved they left him out there for further contact as much of his business was with/in Russia.
This alleges that he didn't "contact" the FBI, he was working with them from the beginning.
The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ev ... iracy-work
This is 180 out from what the media was reporting as recently as this weekend:
Whatever Page’s motives were for helping Russian intelligence—greed, naivety, stupidity—his actions surely justified the FBI’s interest in him. There was a simple way of avoiding U.S. surveillance and a FISA court warrant. It could be summed up like this: Don’t hang out with Russian spies.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... emo-216934
Yes, this is the Page story. As I said he helped the FBI nail the guys. To do so he had to be an informant. This is old news.
No, I disagree. There's a difference between being an FBI plant and being an ordinary citizen who turns after being approached.

Why? Because the FBI used that interaction as a justification to spy on him and Trump. IF he was on their team all along...
Two disconnected time periods and events.

2013: He was approached by Russians he was doing business with in attempt to get him to spy for them. Worked with FBI as their informant to prosecute them. FISA warrant was used to gather the evidence needed to trap the Russians.

2016: He had extensive activity with Russians for business. He had brief interaction with Trump campaign. FBI used FISA warrant to gather info to determine if link between Trump campaign and Russians.

He wasn't on the FBI's team all along. He assisted them in 2013-14. That's all. There was no involvement after that.
I think we're talking in circles at this point, but this alleges he worked with the FBI from 2013 until 2016 (that was when the case closed). In 2016 he decided to volunteer for the Trump campaign.

Back to my point - this alleges his "involvement" with the Russians was in coordination with the FBI from the beginning, but then later somehow formed the basis for obtaining a FISA warrant against him.
His involvement with the Russians was his business. He was interfacing with them long before he was on the FBIs radar.
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133743Hokie wrote: His involvement with the Russians was his business. He was interfacing with them long before he was on the FBIs radar.
You keep saying that, but haven't pointed to anything here which corroborates it, or explained why anything linked is wrong.

I realize that's what the media has been saying for months, but that's not what this is saying. It (the files from the justice dept) says he was an "undercover employee" of the FBI from before contact with the Russians until....just before he joined the Trump campaign:
The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ev ... iracy-work
That's something entirely different than what you're arguing with different implications.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote: His involvement with the Russians was his business. He was interfacing with them long before he was on the FBIs radar.
You keep saying that, but haven't pointed to anything here which corroborates it, or explained why anything linked is wrong.

I realize that's what the media has been saying for months, but that's not what this is saying. It (the files from the justice dept) says he was an "undercover employee" of the FBI from before contact with the Russians until....just before he joined the Trump campaign:
The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ev ... iracy-work
That's something entirely different than what you're arguing with different implications.
Correct. And as this article correctly asks:
The question is: Was Carter Page planted inside the Trump campaign to allow the FBI to spy on Trump?
I know my answer.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02 ... g-spy-fbi/
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FusionGPS claimed as recently as last month that the FBI had a "mole" in Trump's campaign staff which they oddly just retracted.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018 ... e-trump-t/
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USN_Hokie wrote:FusionGPS claimed as recently as last month that the FBI had a "mole" in Trump's campaign staff which they oddly just retracted.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018 ... e-trump-t/

Say, what are the chances they're talking about Carter Page :idea:

and this stuff just keeps getting deeper and the dems look worse and worse if any damn MSM will report it
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USN_Hokie wrote:FusionGPS claimed as recently as last month that the FBI had a "mole" in Trump's campaign staff which they oddly just retracted.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018 ... e-trump-t/
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Wait...what? He was on the Bill Clinton transition team in 1992? Something is not right here.

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Carter Page previously worked with the Clinton Administration transition team in 1992-1993 while serving as a Research Fellow on the House Armed Services Committee (HASC) on Capitol Hill. During his Fellowship, HASC Chairman Les Aspin was selected by President Clinton as the Secretary of Defense in December 1992. From May 1993 – December 1994, Carter went on to serve as the Arms Control Action Officer for Counterproliferation Policy in the Nuclear Affairs and International Negotiations Branch of the Navy Staff in the Pentagon.
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UpstateSCHokie wrote:Wait...what? He was on the Bill Clinton transition team in 1992? Something is not right here.

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Carter Page previously worked with the Clinton Administration transition team in 1992-1993 while serving as a Research Fellow on the House Armed Services Committee (HASC) on Capitol Hill. During his Fellowship, HASC Chairman Les Aspin was selected by President Clinton as the Secretary of Defense in December 1992. From May 1993 – December 1994, Carter went on to serve as the Arms Control Action Officer for Counterproliferation Policy in the Nuclear Affairs and International Negotiations Branch of the Navy Staff in the Pentagon.
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He's ex navy
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