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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:21 pm 
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Not seeing a down side here...

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In what would be one of the biggest shakeups of the U.S. food-stamp program in its five-decade history, President Donald Trump is proposing to slash cash payments and substitute them with "100 percent American grown food" given to recipients.

The changes, outlined Monday in Trump’s budget proposal, would reshape the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, which supports roughly one in eight Americans, by reducing cash spending by about one-third from current levels.

The plan is part of an effort to reform SNAP and save a projected $214 billion over a decade. It would give all households receiving more than $90 a month in cash a food-aid package that would "include items such as shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit, vegetables, and meat, poultry or fish," according to the proposal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rican-food

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:48 pm 
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Don’t they have all the cash register systems programmed to not take food stamp for dog food and beer? Why don’t they just do the same for twinkies?


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Don’t they have all the cash register systems programmed to not take food stamp for dog food and beer? Why don’t they just do the same for twinkies?


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The govt can get the food for less instead of paying retail.

Right now the government pays retail prices.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:10 am 
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Don’t they have all the cash register systems programmed to not take food stamp for dog food and beer? Why don’t they just do the same for twinkies?


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The govt can get the food at wholesale prices instead of paying (e.g.) Walmart retail prices.




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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:44 am 
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The only people that would disagree or see a "downside" to this proposal are 1. People that hate Trump, no matter what policy/law/recommendations he brings forth and 2. Globalist trash that think 3 hot, good meals a day on white china is a birthright, and no cuts to free food programs are acceptable.


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Not seeing a down side here...

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In what would be one of the biggest shakeups of the U.S. food-stamp program in its five-decade history, President Donald Trump is proposing to slash cash payments and substitute them with "100 percent American grown food" given to recipients.

The changes, outlined Monday in Trump’s budget proposal, would reshape the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, which supports roughly one in eight Americans, by reducing cash spending by about one-third from current levels.

The plan is part of an effort to reform SNAP and save a projected $214 billion over a decade. It would give all households receiving more than $90 a month in cash a food-aid package that would "include items such as shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit, vegetables, and meat, poultry or fish," according to the proposal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rican-food


how exactly do you trade milk for cocaine? that plan is not going to work well for those folks


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cwtcr hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
Not seeing a down side here...

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In what would be one of the biggest shakeups of the U.S. food-stamp program in its five-decade history, President Donald Trump is proposing to slash cash payments and substitute them with "100 percent American grown food" given to recipients.

The changes, outlined Monday in Trump’s budget proposal, would reshape the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, which supports roughly one in eight Americans, by reducing cash spending by about one-third from current levels.

The plan is part of an effort to reform SNAP and save a projected $214 billion over a decade. It would give all households receiving more than $90 a month in cash a food-aid package that would "include items such as shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit, vegetables, and meat, poultry or fish," according to the proposal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rican-food


how exactly do you trade milk for cocaine? that plan is not going to work well for those folks
Yep, that's why it's a great plan.

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cwtcr hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
Not seeing a down side here...

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In what would be one of the biggest shakeups of the U.S. food-stamp program in its five-decade history, President Donald Trump is proposing to slash cash payments and substitute them with "100 percent American grown food" given to recipients.

The changes, outlined Monday in Trump’s budget proposal, would reshape the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, which supports roughly one in eight Americans, by reducing cash spending by about one-third from current levels.

The plan is part of an effort to reform SNAP and save a projected $214 billion over a decade. It would give all households receiving more than $90 a month in cash a food-aid package that would "include items such as shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit, vegetables, and meat, poultry or fish," according to the proposal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rican-food


how exactly do you trade milk for cocaine? that plan is not going to work well for those folks
Yep, that's why it's a great plan.


Democrats are frantically googling for slavery/Jim Crow references to "food boxes", count on it.

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Stupid plan...the 1st box recipient that gets sick from the contents will sue the beejeebus out of the gubment...then all box recipients will get sick and sue the gubment.

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What is going to be the added administrative cost of the government procuring food? There is a lot to it. And is this cost going to consume any potential savings (the government can't do anything efficiently)?


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What is going to be the added administrative cost of the government procuring food? There is a lot to it. And is this cost going to consume any potential savings (the government can't do anything efficiently)?


There’s still a lot of cushion in the savings for Gov inefficiency.
It does sound good in theory, though. The bigger issues with programs like this usually come from food quality.


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HokieFanDC wrote:
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What is going to be the added administrative cost of the government procuring food? There is a lot to it. And is this cost going to consume any potential savings (the government can't do anything efficiently)?


There’s still a lot of cushion in the savings for Gov inefficiency.
It does sound good in theory, though. The bigger issues with programs like this usually come from food quality.


Just give them some nutraloaf!

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What is going to be the added administrative cost of the government procuring food? There is a lot to it. And is this cost going to consume any potential savings (the government can't do anything efficiently)?


or make the food cards non-transferrable, cannot be used unless used by the one it is issued to, takes all the scamming out of the system. And put tight restrictions on what can be bought


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TheH2 wrote:
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133743Hokie wrote:
What is going to be the added administrative cost of the government procuring food? There is a lot to it. And is this cost going to consume any potential savings (the government can't do anything efficiently)?


There’s still a lot of cushion in the savings for Gov inefficiency.
It does sound good in theory, though. The bigger issues with programs like this usually come from food quality.


Just give them some nutraloaf!

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cwtcr hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
What is going to be the added administrative cost of the government procuring food? There is a lot to it. And is this cost going to consume any potential savings (the government can't do anything efficiently)?


or make the food cards non-transferrable, cannot be used unless used by the one it is issued to, takes all the scamming out of the system. And put tight restrictions on what can be bought


SNAP cards are like debit cards, they have a PIN number. Obviously, anyone can give someone their PIN.

And there are pretty tight restrictions on what you can buy. It's limited to food items. That includes candy and chips, but other than that, it's a pretty good list IMO.


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TheH2 wrote:
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133743Hokie wrote:
What is going to be the added administrative cost of the government procuring food? There is a lot to it. And is this cost going to consume any potential savings (the government can't do anything efficiently)?


There’s still a lot of cushion in the savings for Gov inefficiency.
It does sound good in theory, though. The bigger issues with programs like this usually come from food quality.


Just give them some nutraloaf!


Sounds good to me. They can make a sandwich with some government cheese. Being on welfare should suck.

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HokieHam wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
What is going to be the added administrative cost of the government procuring food? There is a lot to it. And is this cost going to consume any potential savings (the government can't do anything efficiently)?


There’s still a lot of cushion in the savings for Gov inefficiency.
It does sound good in theory, though. The bigger issues with programs like this usually come from food quality.


Just give them some nutraloaf!

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Or just Soylent
https://www.soylent.com/

Less human flesh, presumably.....

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HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
What is going to be the added administrative cost of the government procuring food? There is a lot to it. And is this cost going to consume any potential savings (the government can't do anything efficiently)?


or make the food cards non-transferrable, cannot be used unless used by the one it is issued to, takes all the scamming out of the system. And put tight restrictions on what can be bought


SNAP cards are like debit cards, they have a PIN number. Obviously, anyone can give someone their PIN.

And there are pretty tight restrictions on what you can buy. It's limited to food items. That includes candy and chips, but other than that, it's a pretty good list IMO.


The libs on social media crying about this "big government" program are hilarious. really. "Who are they to tell us what we can eat".. lololololololol. The soda tax party.


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Trump needs to market this as an extension to Michelle Obama's school lunch program. He's only doing it to help combat childhood obesity and adult type II diabetes.


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HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
What is going to be the added administrative cost of the government procuring food? There is a lot to it. And is this cost going to consume any potential savings (the government can't do anything efficiently)?


or make the food cards non-transferrable, cannot be used unless used by the one it is issued to, takes all the scamming out of the system. And put tight restrictions on what can be bought


SNAP cards are like debit cards, they have a PIN number. Obviously, anyone can give someone their PIN.

And there are pretty tight restrictions on what you can buy. It's limited to food items. That includes candy and chips, but other than that, it's a pretty good list IMO.

Agree that what can be purchased is better controlled now, but there us a huge black market in selling cards for cash.


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HokieFanDC wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
What is going to be the added administrative cost of the government procuring food? There is a lot to it. And is this cost going to consume any potential savings (the government can't do anything efficiently)?


There’s still a lot of cushion in the savings for Gov inefficiency.
It does sound good in theory, though. The bigger issues with programs like this usually come from food quality.

I can't imagine that there is any savings. The govt. isn't going to ship food to people. That's inefficient and cost prohibitive, and people are too mobile. So are they going to set up pick-up centers? Again inefficient and cost prohibitive. Are they going to bulk purchase thru grocery stores and have it boxed for pickup? Very cumbersome. Who is allowed to make tge pick up? What about all the low income areas without grocery stores? Plus, the grocery business is high volume, low profit margin, so again i don't see where any cost savings will come from.


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TheH2 wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
What is going to be the added administrative cost of the government procuring food? There is a lot to it. And is this cost going to consume any potential savings (the government can't do anything efficiently)?


There’s still a lot of cushion in the savings for Gov inefficiency.
It does sound good in theory, though. The bigger issues with programs like this usually come from food quality.


Just give them some nutraloaf!

Is that like Vegimite?


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133743Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
What is going to be the added administrative cost of the government procuring food? There is a lot to it. And is this cost going to consume any potential savings (the government can't do anything efficiently)?


There’s still a lot of cushion in the savings for Gov inefficiency.
It does sound good in theory, though. The bigger issues with programs like this usually come from food quality.


Just give them some nutraloaf!

Is that like Vegimite?


It's prison food. Basically leftovers from the past few days (apparently the worst of the leftovers - which I guess could be assumed by being leftover), lumped together and baked. Some states have considered it inhumane (I'm sure there is a better legal word).

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HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
What is going to be the added administrative cost of the government procuring food? There is a lot to it. And is this cost going to consume any potential savings (the government can't do anything efficiently)?


or make the food cards non-transferrable, cannot be used unless used by the one it is issued to, takes all the scamming out of the system. And put tight restrictions on what can be bought


SNAP cards are like debit cards, they have a PIN number. Obviously, anyone can give someone their PIN.

And there are pretty tight restrictions on what you can buy. It's limited to food items. That includes candy and chips, but other than that, it's a pretty good list IMO.


I thought there were decent controls on what they can buy but seriously, make them only workable for the actual person the card is issued to, ya know that pesky ID thingie


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TheH2 wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
TheH2 wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
What is going to be the added administrative cost of the government procuring food? There is a lot to it. And is this cost going to consume any potential savings (the government can't do anything efficiently)?


There’s still a lot of cushion in the savings for Gov inefficiency.
It does sound good in theory, though. The bigger issues with programs like this usually come from food quality.


Just give them some nutraloaf!

Is that like Vegimite?


It's prison food. Basically leftovers from the past few days (apparently the worst of the leftovers - which I guess could be assumed by being leftover), lumped together and baked. Some states have considered it inhumane (I'm sure there is a better legal word).


Casserole is inhumane? It must be made by my MIL.

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