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" day on social media, if you care to engage.
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CFB Apologist wrote:" day on social media, if you care to engage.
so ban AR-15's except a handgun with a clip would have done the same damage. And he committed about 100 felonies and at least 17 capital punishment crimes....but if he was to break a gun law that would stop him!!
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I would love to hear some real discussion on exactly how "sensible gun laws" would work in real life from a democrat. I really would. What exactly would they do? I know they want to label the NRA a terrorist org, and ban them from making campaign contributions for one. I have heard no new sales of guns, I have heard total gun bans, I have heard national registration, etc. I have yet to hear anything realistic though- and I'm not being facetious.
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CFB Apologist wrote:I would love to hear some real discussion on exactly how "sensible gun laws" would work in real life from a democrat. I really would. What exactly would they do? I know they want to label the NRA a terrorist org, and ban them from making campaign contributions for one. I have heard no new sales of guns, I have heard total gun bans, I have heard national registration, etc. I have yet to hear anything realistic though- and I'm not being facetious.
Who is going to volunteer to knock on doors to collect their guns? Yeah, right!
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CFB Apologist wrote:" day on social media, if you care to engage.
Why is that model completely not applicable in a theoretical discussion?

Do we not have the most mass shootings? Do we not have the most guns and ease of access? To read the opinions on this board I'm to believe those two things are completely unrelated?
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The school was a 'gun-free' zone. Our world is not a safe place. Gun control only takes guns away from the good guys. We will eventually have to do what Israel does.

One angle that isn't getting much press is that Cruz was expelled for fighting with his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend. The shootings occured on Valentine's Day. Cruz himself told the FBI he wanted to be a school shooter and the FBI was alerted about him by others. Why didn't they investigate? Chasing fake Russian Collusion instead?

Don't say "if you see something, say something" if nobody acts on it. Nobody who knew Cruz was surprised it was him.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/201 ... itano.html
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BG Hokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:" day on social media, if you care to engage.
Why is that model completely not applicable in a theoretical discussion?

Do we not have the most mass shootings? Do we not have the most guns and ease of access? To read the opinions on this board I'm to believe those two things are completely unrelated?
You do know that "mass shootings" are statistical noise in the discussion of homicide in the US, right? That would be a stupid basis for policy.
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BG Hokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:" day on social media, if you care to engage.
Why is that model completely not applicable in a theoretical discussion?

Do we not have the most mass shootings? Do we not have the most guns and ease of access? To read the opinions on this board I'm to believe those two things are completely unrelated?
You do know that "mass shootings" are statistical noise in the discussion of homicide in the US, right? That would be a stupid basis for policy.
Yeah, fair enough. So suffice to say our freedom is worth this statistical noise in your opinion, correct?
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Yep. Perfect viewgraph.

I've said this so many times I sound like a broken record: if someone is really concerned with gun deaths, look at where the majority of them happen: among 18-35yo black males living in urban environments.

Ironically (or not), those are the last ones liberals want to talk about.
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Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.

When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
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And actually I think it's insane that over a half of 1% of America's deaths come at the hands of guns. Fair to say that's the leader in the clubhouse relative to other countries, correct? A good example of our freedom being costly with respect to human life.
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This is a great read.
Much of the political thinking about violence in the United States comes from unfavorable comparisons between the United States and a series of cherry-picked countries with lower murder rates and with fewer guns per capita. We’ve all seen it many times. The United States, with a murder rate of approximately 5 per 100,000 is compared to a variety of Western and Central European countries (also sometimes Japan) with murder rates often below 1 per 100,000. This is, in turn, supposed to fill Americans with a sense of shame and illustrate that the United States should be regarded as some sort of pariah nation because of its murder rate.

https://mises.org/wire/mistake-only-com ... -countries
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BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.

When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
Coming from someone who’s been strangely emotional lately.

See the link in the Mises article I just posted about how the comparison to other countries is bunk.

Freedom isn’t free. There is absolutely no chance you're going to convince people to give up their guns when they observe on tv the obvious and complete inability to protect them from crazies.

You will never be more frightened than the day you find an armed predator breaking into your home and you have no way to protect yourself.

Stop preaching to us about stupid gun control dreams and put armed security where our kids are for instant response.
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BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.

When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
The homicide rate in the US is comparable to that of Europe and Sub-Saharan Africa among respective similar demographics.
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BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.

When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
I’d say a vigorous defense of any and all gun rights is costly, not necessarily the 2nd amendment.




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ip_law-hokie wrote:
BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.

When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
I’d say a vigorous defense of any and all gun rights is costly, not necessarily the 2nd amendment.




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Not sure I understand what you are trying to argue.
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BG Hokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:" day on social media, if you care to engage.
Why is that model completely not applicable in a theoretical discussion?

Do we not have the most mass shootings? Do we not have the most guns and ease of access? To read the opinions on this board I'm to believe those two things are completely unrelated?
You need to ask yourself- and the discussion needs to be centered on "what else - besides more gun freedom, sets the US apart from Australia and Scotland".. That is the real answer to explaining/solving these school shootings. And no, its not "you can buy guns here at Wal Mart".. that is not the correct answer or root cause.
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ip_law-hokie wrote:
BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.

When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
I’d say a vigorous defense of any and all gun rights is costly, not necessarily the 2nd amendment.




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I haven't seen anyone sane- including the most right wing NRA nut- advocate for a total free for all on guns- nobody is arguing for that. Most NRA members support gun control and safety measures.
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BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.

When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
It's our whole constitution, not just the 2nd amendment. It's the whole collection of freedoms that we have. We're unique.
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Techmomof2 wrote:The school was a 'gun-free' zone. Our world is not a safe place. Gun control only takes guns away from the good guys. We will eventually have to do what Israel does.

One angle that isn't getting much press is that Cruz was expelled for fighting with his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend. The shootings occured on Valentine's Day. Cruz himself told the FBI he wanted to be a school shooter and the FBI was alerted about him by others. Why didn't they investigate? Chasing fake Russian Collusion instead?

Don't say "if you see something, say something" if nobody acts on it. Nobody who knew Cruz was surprised it was him.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/201 ... itano.html
A guy in Mississippi saw his online post. The FBI met with the guy that reported it. As a nation of laws, the FBI has strict investigative guidelines that they have to follow on something like this, where a crime hasn't been committed. Unfortunately that kept them from being able to ascertain who made the post.
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ip_law-hokie wrote:
BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.

When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
I’d say a vigorous defense of any and all gun rights is costly, not necessarily the 2nd amendment.




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Not sure I understand what you are trying to argue.
The right wing has instilled the notion that AR-15s, bump stocks and other barbaric excrement is protected by the Second Amendment when they often are not.


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CFB Apologist wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.

When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
I’d say a vigorous defense of any and all gun rights is costly, not necessarily the 2nd amendment.




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I haven't seen anyone sane- including the most right wing NRA nut- advocate for a total free for all on guns- nobody is arguing for that. Most NRA members support gun control and safety measures.
Not really. You guys are pretty out there from the mainstream.


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133743Hokie wrote:
BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.

When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
It's our whole constitution, not just the 2nd amendment. It's the whole collection of freedoms that we have. We're unique.
Gun freedoms cost more lives than other freedoms.


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ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.

When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
I’d say a vigorous defense of any and all gun rights is costly, not necessarily the 2nd amendment.




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Not sure I understand what you are trying to argue.
The right wing has instilled the notion that AR-15s, bump stocks and other barbaric excrement is protected by the Second Amendment when they often are not.


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The Left Wing doesn't know what an AR15 is, does, or is used for. Doesn't stop them from using that lie/falsehood to scare people though. Their knowledge of guns is minuscule, but you listen to them.
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