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Yes, because an unsecured US Border is not a threat to sovereignty and national security, nope. We are not trying to secure the most powerful country on earth and keep our system of government and freedom, nope. We are just being mean to brown people- that's what we are doing by advocating national borders and security- just being racist.TheH2 wrote:A great wall, on the Mexican border, the best wall. Let's do this to keep our country safe from the illegal immigrants that cross our border and cause american carnage. Let's not worry about how effective it would be. It doesn't matter how many people immigrants kill vs. how many heart disease kills.
Borders are important. So are people.RiverguyVT wrote:A nation without borders or an immigration policy ceases to be.
LOL, you were slobbering all over Obama's knob when he was spending trillions on infrastructure projects like public tennis courts. Looks like we've finally found a broken window H2 doesn't like fixing.TheH2 wrote:A great wall, on the Mexican border, the best wall. Let's do this to keep our country safe from the illegal immigrants that cross our border and cause american carnage. Let's not worry about how effective it would be. It doesn't matter how many people immigrants kill vs. how many heart disease kills.
Ive never looked at the gun question in terms of cost-benefitTheH2 wrote:Borders are important. So are people.RiverguyVT wrote:A nation without borders or an immigration policy ceases to be.
It's entertaining that a cost benefit analysis of the wall is not important. In terms of guns, it matters a lot.
what is your latest gibberish about? What modern industrial country (say like the usa) does not have border control? please elaborateTheH2 wrote:A great wall, on the Mexican border, the best wall. Let's do this to keep our country safe from the illegal immigrants that cross our border and cause american carnage. Let's not worry about how effective it would be. It doesn't matter how many people immigrants kill vs. how many heart disease kills.
Please read, comprehend, think, then if you so please, ask a question or comment.cwtcr hokie wrote:what is your latest gibberish about? What modern industrial country (say like the usa) does not have border control? please elaborateTheH2 wrote:A great wall, on the Mexican border, the best wall. Let's do this to keep our country safe from the illegal immigrants that cross our border and cause american carnage. Let's not worry about how effective it would be. It doesn't matter how many people immigrants kill vs. how many heart disease kills.
I did read your rambling gibberish, and no the border control in parts of the southwest is pathetic...... thus why we have so many illegal aliens.....duhTheH2 wrote:Please read, comprehend, think, then if you so please, ask a question or comment.cwtcr hokie wrote:what is your latest gibberish about? What modern industrial country (say like the usa) does not have border control? please elaborateTheH2 wrote:A great wall, on the Mexican border, the best wall. Let's do this to keep our country safe from the illegal immigrants that cross our border and cause american carnage. Let's not worry about how effective it would be. It doesn't matter how many people immigrants kill vs. how many heart disease kills.
The US has border control. The US should have border control. Nothing in that statement implies otherwise.
Snark fills his shallow thinking ability.cwtcr hokie wrote:I did read your rambling gibberish, and no the border control in parts of the southwest is pathetic...... thus why we have so many illegal aliens.....duhTheH2 wrote:Please read, comprehend, think, then if you so please, ask a question or comment.cwtcr hokie wrote:what is your latest gibberish about? What modern industrial country (say like the usa) does not have border control? please elaborateTheH2 wrote:A great wall, on the Mexican border, the best wall. Let's do this to keep our country safe from the illegal immigrants that cross our border and cause american carnage. Let's not worry about how effective it would be. It doesn't matter how many people immigrants kill vs. how many heart disease kills.
The US has border control. The US should have border control. Nothing in that statement implies otherwise.
fyi, I don't give two cents about how many illegal aliens kill, the act of coming into our country without the proper paperwork or procedure is an ILLEGAL ACT. Get it? Try reading and comprehending
Take a deep breath. Sorry if you found my response to you insulting. Your first post had nothing to do with my post, hence questioning your comprehension.cwtcr hokie wrote:I did read your rambling gibberish, and no the border control in parts of the southwest is pathetic...... thus why we have so many illegal aliens.....duhTheH2 wrote:Please read, comprehend, think, then if you so please, ask a question or comment.cwtcr hokie wrote:what is your latest gibberish about? What modern industrial country (say like the usa) does not have border control? please elaborateTheH2 wrote:A great wall, on the Mexican border, the best wall. Let's do this to keep our country safe from the illegal immigrants that cross our border and cause american carnage. Let's not worry about how effective it would be. It doesn't matter how many people immigrants kill vs. how many heart disease kills.
The US has border control. The US should have border control. Nothing in that statement implies otherwise.
fyi, I don't give two cents about how many illegal aliens kill, the act of coming into our country without the proper paperwork or procedure is an ILLEGAL ACT. Get it? Try reading and comprehending
It can be built to be able to stop the illegal immigration...that is the pointTheH2 wrote:Take a deep breath. Sorry if you found my response to you insulting. Your first post had nothing to do with my post, hence questioning your comprehension.cwtcr hokie wrote:I did read your rambling gibberish, and no the border control in parts of the southwest is pathetic...... thus why we have so many illegal aliens.....duhTheH2 wrote:Please read, comprehend, think, then if you so please, ask a question or comment.cwtcr hokie wrote:what is your latest gibberish about? What modern industrial country (say like the usa) does not have border control? please elaborateTheH2 wrote:A great wall, on the Mexican border, the best wall. Let's do this to keep our country safe from the illegal immigrants that cross our border and cause american carnage. Let's not worry about how effective it would be. It doesn't matter how many people immigrants kill vs. how many heart disease kills.
The US has border control. The US should have border control. Nothing in that statement implies otherwise.
fyi, I don't give two cents about how many illegal aliens kill, the act of coming into our country without the proper paperwork or procedure is an ILLEGAL ACT. Get it? Try reading and comprehending
Read again. You still haven't addressed the initial post, and maybe that's my fault. If the wall costs a lot, and doesn't keep illegal immigrants from coming to the U.S., why would we still want a wall?
There is such a low bar for wanting the wall. There is such a high bar for enacting any gun control measures.
You just said building a wall will stop illegal immigration. Think about that for a few minutes.cwtcr hokie wrote:It can be built to be able to stop the illegal immigration...that is the pointTheH2 wrote:Take a deep breath. Sorry if you found my response to you insulting. Your first post had nothing to do with my post, hence questioning your comprehension.cwtcr hokie wrote:I did read your rambling gibberish, and no the border control in parts of the southwest is pathetic...... thus why we have so many illegal aliens.....duhTheH2 wrote:Please read, comprehend, think, then if you so please, ask a question or comment.cwtcr hokie wrote:what is your latest gibberish about? What modern industrial country (say like the usa) does not have border control? please elaborateTheH2 wrote:A great wall, on the Mexican border, the best wall. Let's do this to keep our country safe from the illegal immigrants that cross our border and cause american carnage. Let's not worry about how effective it would be. It doesn't matter how many people immigrants kill vs. how many heart disease kills.
The US has border control. The US should have border control. Nothing in that statement implies otherwise.
fyi, I don't give two cents about how many illegal aliens kill, the act of coming into our country without the proper paperwork or procedure is an ILLEGAL ACT. Get it? Try reading and comprehending
Read again. You still haven't addressed the initial post, and maybe that's my fault. If the wall costs a lot, and doesn't keep illegal immigrants from coming to the U.S., why would we still want a wall?
There is such a low bar for wanting the wall. There is such a high bar for enacting any gun control measures.
It (gun laws) can be amended to stop murders..... that is the point.cwtcr hokie wrote:It can be built to be able to stop the illegal immigration...that is the pointTheH2 wrote:Take a deep breath. Sorry if you found my response to you insulting. Your first post had nothing to do with my post, hence questioning your comprehension.cwtcr hokie wrote:I did read your rambling gibberish, and no the border control in parts of the southwest is pathetic...... thus why we have so many illegal aliens.....duhTheH2 wrote:Please read, comprehend, think, then if you so please, ask a question or comment.cwtcr hokie wrote:what is your latest gibberish about? What modern industrial country (say like the usa) does not have border control? please elaborateTheH2 wrote:A great wall, on the Mexican border, the best wall. Let's do this to keep our country safe from the illegal immigrants that cross our border and cause american carnage. Let's not worry about how effective it would be. It doesn't matter how many people immigrants kill vs. how many heart disease kills.
The US has border control. The US should have border control. Nothing in that statement implies otherwise.
fyi, I don't give two cents about how many illegal aliens kill, the act of coming into our country without the proper paperwork or procedure is an ILLEGAL ACT. Get it? Try reading and comprehending
Read again. You still haven't addressed the initial post, and maybe that's my fault. If the wall costs a lot, and doesn't keep illegal immigrants from coming to the U.S., why would we still want a wall?
There is such a low bar for wanting the wall. There is such a high bar for enacting any gun control measures.
Illegal immigration is a greater negative to our country than gun regulations. You may not like that, but IIWII.TheH2 wrote:Borders are important. So are people.RiverguyVT wrote:A nation without borders or an immigration policy ceases to be.
It's entertaining that a cost benefit analysis of the wall is not important. In terms of guns, it matters a lot.
I believe we pretty much stand alone on this one.cwtcr hokie wrote:what is your latest gibberish about? What modern industrial country (say like the usa) does not have border control? please elaborateTheH2 wrote:A great wall, on the Mexican border, the best wall. Let's do this to keep our country safe from the illegal immigrants that cross our border and cause american carnage. Let's not worry about how effective it would be. It doesn't matter how many people immigrants kill vs. how many heart disease kills.
The US has ineffective and incomplete border control, to the point that illegal immigration has exceeded 20 million people. It needs to be enhanced and improved, to be brought up to the standards of the rest of the modern world.TheH2 wrote:Please read, comprehend, think, then if you so please, ask a question or comment.cwtcr hokie wrote:what is your latest gibberish about? What modern industrial country (say like the usa) does not have border control? please elaborateTheH2 wrote:A great wall, on the Mexican border, the best wall. Let's do this to keep our country safe from the illegal immigrants that cross our border and cause american carnage. Let's not worry about how effective it would be. It doesn't matter how many people immigrants kill vs. how many heart disease kills.
The US has border control. The US should have border control. Nothing in that statement implies otherwise.
You have absolutely no proof that a wall will not improve border security and reduce illegal immigration. None.TheH2 wrote:Take a deep breath. Sorry if you found my response to you insulting. Your first post had nothing to do with my post, hence questioning your comprehension.cwtcr hokie wrote:I did read your rambling gibberish, and no the border control in parts of the southwest is pathetic...... thus why we have so many illegal aliens.....duhTheH2 wrote:Please read, comprehend, think, then if you so please, ask a question or comment.cwtcr hokie wrote:what is your latest gibberish about? What modern industrial country (say like the usa) does not have border control? please elaborateTheH2 wrote:A great wall, on the Mexican border, the best wall. Let's do this to keep our country safe from the illegal immigrants that cross our border and cause american carnage. Let's not worry about how effective it would be. It doesn't matter how many people immigrants kill vs. how many heart disease kills.
The US has border control. The US should have border control. Nothing in that statement implies otherwise.
fyi, I don't give two cents about how many illegal aliens kill, the act of coming into our country without the proper paperwork or procedure is an ILLEGAL ACT. Get it? Try reading and comprehending
Read again. You still haven't addressed the initial post, and maybe that's my fault. If the wall costs a lot, and doesn't keep illegal immigrants from coming to the U.S., why would we still want a wall?
There is such a low bar for wanting the wall. There is such a high bar for enacting any gun control measures.
Ah, so that's what this little semantics gymnastics is really all about. Got it.TheH2 wrote:It (gun laws) can be amended to stop murders..... that is the point.cwtcr hokie wrote:It can be built to be able to stop the illegal immigration...that is the pointTheH2 wrote:Take a deep breath. Sorry if you found my response to you insulting. Your first post had nothing to do with my post, hence questioning your comprehension.cwtcr hokie wrote:I did read your rambling gibberish, and no the border control in parts of the southwest is pathetic...... thus why we have so many illegal aliens.....duhTheH2 wrote:Please read, comprehend, think, then if you so please, ask a question or comment.cwtcr hokie wrote:
what is your latest gibberish about? What modern industrial country (say like the usa) does not have border control? please elaborate
The US has border control. The US should have border control. Nothing in that statement implies otherwise.
fyi, I don't give two cents about how many illegal aliens kill, the act of coming into our country without the proper paperwork or procedure is an ILLEGAL ACT. Get it? Try reading and comprehending
Read again. You still haven't addressed the initial post, and maybe that's my fault. If the wall costs a lot, and doesn't keep illegal immigrants from coming to the U.S., why would we still want a wall?
There is such a low bar for wanting the wall. There is such a high bar for enacting any gun control measures.
"You have absolutely no proof ..." that gun violence is less of a determent to the US than illegal immigration.133743Hokie wrote: Ah, so that's what this little semantics gymnastics is really all about. Got it.
Again, gun violence is minimal and is less of a detriment to the US than illegal immigration.
The 20 million isn't an accurate reflection of what our border control is like now. Border control has been beefed up a lot over the last decade.133743Hokie wrote:The US has ineffective and incomplete border control, to the point that illegal immigration has exceeded 20 million people. It needs to be enhanced and improved, to be brought up to the standards of the rest of the modern world.
I'm not sure this statement supports what you appear to argue.TheH2 wrote: There is such a low bar for wanting the wall. There is such a high bar for enacting any gun control measures.
Are you saying the cost to society of gun violence is greater than that of illegal immigrants?TheH2 wrote:"You have absolutely no proof ..." that gun violence is less of a determent to the US than illegal immigration.133743Hokie wrote: Ah, so that's what this little semantics gymnastics is really all about. Got it.
Again, gun violence is minimal and is less of a detriment to the US than illegal immigration.
The 20 million isn't an accurate reflection of what our border control is like now. Border control has been beefed up a lot over the last decade.133743Hokie wrote:The US has ineffective and incomplete border control, to the point that illegal immigration has exceeded 20 million people. It needs to be enhanced and improved, to be brought up to the standards of the rest of the modern world.
What is the standard of the rest of the modern world? How does the US differ?
^^this^^133743Hokie wrote:Are you saying the cost to society of gun violence is greater than that of illegal immigrants?TheH2 wrote:"You have absolutely no proof ..." that gun violence is less of a determent to the US than illegal immigration.133743Hokie wrote: Ah, so that's what this little semantics gymnastics is really all about. Got it.
Again, gun violence is minimal and is less of a detriment to the US than illegal immigration.
The 20 million isn't an accurate reflection of what our border control is like now. Border control has been beefed up a lot over the last decade.133743Hokie wrote:The US has ineffective and incomplete border control, to the point that illegal immigration has exceeded 20 million people. It needs to be enhanced and improved, to be brought up to the standards of the rest of the modern world.
What is the standard of the rest of the modern world? How does the US differ?
Border control is not better than it was 10 years ago. That's just nonsense. The only thing that helped was the economic depression 10 years ago. That slowed the flow because there weren't jobs. Now thatnthe economy is ramped back up theinflux is already ticking up.
As to other countries, they have barriers. They have fences. They have heavily guarded boundaries. They also prosecute. They don't have sanctuary cities. They don't pratice catch and release. They have strict laws with harsh penalties. It is a serious criminal offense.
The US gives you Dreamer status and DACA. They let you bring extended family, even if you aren't here legally. The allow you to work. They allow you to get a drivers license. They allow you to use stolen identities. They allow you to use social services, hospitals, schools, etc. But you know all of this. You're just in an argumentative mood again.
133743Hokie wrote:Illegal immigration is a greater negative to our country than gun regulations. You may not like that, but IIWII.TheH2 wrote:Borders are important. So are people.RiverguyVT wrote:A nation without borders or an immigration policy ceases to be.
It's entertaining that a cost benefit analysis of the wall is not important. In terms of guns, it matters a lot.
How are we quantifying this. I could say yes, you could say no. It's pointless.133743Hokie wrote:Are you saying the cost to society of gun violence is greater than that of illegal immigrants?TheH2 wrote:"You have absolutely no proof ..." that gun violence is less of a determent to the US than illegal immigration.133743Hokie wrote: Ah, so that's what this little semantics gymnastics is really all about. Got it.
Again, gun violence is minimal and is less of a detriment to the US than illegal immigration.
The 20 million isn't an accurate reflection of what our border control is like now. Border control has been beefed up a lot over the last decade.133743Hokie wrote:The US has ineffective and incomplete border control, to the point that illegal immigration has exceeded 20 million people. It needs to be enhanced and improved, to be brought up to the standards of the rest of the modern world.
What is the standard of the rest of the modern world? How does the US differ?
Your opinion is subjective and well, nonsense.133743Hokie wrote: Border control is not better than it was 10 years ago. That's just nonsense. The only thing that helped was the economic depression 10 years ago. That slowed the flow because there weren't jobs. Now thatnthe economy is ramped back up theinflux is already ticking up.
We're not the only country that has undocumented workers. That's just silly. I agree, more could be done. For example, employers could be targeted.133743Hokie wrote:As to other countries, they have barriers. They have fences. They have heavily guarded boundaries. They also prosecute. They don't have sanctuary cities. They don't pratice catch and release. They have strict laws with harsh penalties. It is a serious criminal offense.Again, all subjective. Given how wrong your last point was, this isn't even worth it.
133743Hokie wrote:The US gives you Dreamer status and DACA. They let you bring extended family, even if you aren't here legally. The allow you to work. They allow you to get a drivers license. They allow you to use stolen identities. They allow you to use social services, hospitals, schools, etc. But you know all of this. You're just in an argumentative mood again.