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And fight for those of us who have grown cynical. I wish them the best.

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Having your school shot up can be tough. What’s great is that these kid’s opinions carries as much weight as yours.






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Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.


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"If Coach Feis had had his firearm in school that day, I believe that he most likely could’ve stopped the threat,” Haab asserted.

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nolanvt wrote:
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Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.


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Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?


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Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.


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Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?


I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.

But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.


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Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.


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Meditation/prayer is very effective for folks in grief, but don't let that stop you making an ignorant jackass of yourself.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:19 am 
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nolanvt wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
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Emotional arguments. Typical


Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.


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Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?


I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.

But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.


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Do tell, what is it about the AR-15 that makes it so bad? If we just changed the name to "the gay defender," would it then be cool with you? Could we keep it legal? I'd like to hear you explain to us what makes you so scared of an AR-15.

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nolanvt wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
Emotional arguments. Typical


Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.


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Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?


I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.

But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.


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Rifles of any kind were only used in 3.4% of firearm homicides (2.5% of all homicides) per the FBI Unified Crime Report (UCR). Continue with your emotional child argument, though.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... s/table-12

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USN_Hokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
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Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.


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Meditation/prayer is very effective for folks in grief, but don't let that stop you making an ignorant jackass of yourself.


Thoughts and prayers will stop those bullets next time.


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UpstateSCHokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
Emotional arguments. Typical


Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.


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Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?


I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.

But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.


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Do tell, what is it about the AR-15 that makes it so bad? If we just changed the name to "the gay defender," would it then be cool with you? Could we keep it legal? I'd like to hear you explain to us what makes you so scared of an AR-15.


I’d rather have fewer people die when someone decides to kill people.


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USN_Hokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
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Emotional arguments. Typical


Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.


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Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?


I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.

But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.


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Rifles of any kind were only used in 3.4% of firearm homicides (2.5% of all homicides) per the FBI Unified Crime Report (UCR). Continue with your emotional child argument, though.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... s/table-12


You know what’s better than those numbers? Reducing those numbers.


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Thoughts and prayers will stop those bullets next time.


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The next time you face a personal tragedy or hardship, please be sure to tell everyone you know to NOT send any thoughts or prayers. You apparently think its just a waste of time and effort, so I'm sure you'll be the one atheist in the fox hole.

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nolanvt wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
Emotional arguments. Typical


Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.


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Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?


I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.

But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.


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Do tell, what is it about the AR-15 that makes it so bad? If we just changed the name to "the gay defender," would it then be cool with you? Could we keep it legal? I'd like to hear you explain to us what makes you so scared of an AR-15.


I’d rather have fewer people die when someone decides to kill people.


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Why are you not answering the question? Tell us what scares you about AR-15s.

You think that if AR-15's were banned, that the kid (or any other evil MFer) would just say "well damn, I was going to kill a bunch of people but since the AR-15 is now outlawed, I guess I'll just stay home?"

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nolanvt wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
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Emotional arguments. Typical


Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.


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Meditation/prayer is very effective for folks in grief, but don't let that stop you making an ignorant jackass of yourself.


Thoughts and prayers will stop those bullets next time.


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I'll pray for your improved understanding of math and statistics so you don't make as big of a fool of yourself in the next thread.

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Thoughts and prayers will stop those bullets next time.


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The next time you face a personal tragedy or hardship, please be sure to tell everyone you know to NOT send any thoughts or prayers. You apparently think its just a waste of time and effort, so I'm sure you'll be the one atheist in the fox hole.


I no longer ask for thoughts and prayers for myself. I don’t think I would make it a point to tell people not to offer them as well - that would just be weird and dickhead-ish.


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UpstateSCHokie wrote:
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[quote="HokieHam"]Emotional arguments. Typical


Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.


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Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?


I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.

But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.


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Do tell, what is it about the AR-15 that makes it so bad? If we just changed the name to "the gay defender," would it then be cool with you? Could we keep it legal? I'd like to hear you explain to us what makes you so scared of an AR-15.


I’d rather have fewer people die when someone decides to kill people.


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Why are you not answering the question? Tell us what scares you about AR-15s.

You think that if AR-15's were banned, that the kid (or any other evil MFer) would just say "well damn, I was going to kill a bunch of people but since the AR-15 is now outlawed, I guess I'll just stay home?"[/quote]

I never argued all gun violence would stop. If that’s your counter, you are arguing against the idea of laws. Bank robbers still rob banks, so why not remove laws against it? See how silly that sounds?


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I never argued all gun violence would stop. If that’s your counter, you are arguing against the idea of laws. Bank robbers still rob banks, so why not remove laws against it? See how silly that sounds?


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Then 1) Answer the question about what's so unique about the AR-15 that it should be banned and then 2) what is the reason for banning it if it won't do anything?

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Thoughts and prayers will stop those bullets next time.


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The next time you face a personal tragedy or hardship, please be sure to tell everyone you know to NOT send any thoughts or prayers. You apparently think its just a waste of time and effort, so I'm sure you'll be the one atheist in the fox hole.


I no longer ask for thoughts and prayers for myself. I don’t think I would make it a point to tell people not to offer them as well - that would just be weird and dickhead-ish.


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So you were just being an ignorant dickhead earlier?

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...that would just be weird and dickhead-ish.


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Yeah, just like mocking people that send them to the victims of these tragedies.

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nolanvt wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
Emotional arguments. Typical


Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.


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Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?


I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.

But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.


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And there you have it. Nolan wanting another slippery slope.

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Having your school shot up can be tough. What’s great is that these kid’s opinions carries as much weight as yours.






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Sure. Doesn’t mean their opinions preceded my constitutional rights.....

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Thoughts and prayers will stop those bullets next time.


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The next time you face a personal tragedy or hardship, please be sure to tell everyone you know to NOT send any thoughts or prayers. You apparently think its just a waste of time and effort, so I'm sure you'll be the one atheist in the fox hole.


I no longer ask for thoughts and prayers for myself. I don’t think I would make it a point to tell people not to offer them as well - that would just be weird and dickhead-ish.


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So you were just being an ignorant dickhead earlier?


I’m not sure how this makes sense. I didn’t reference any personal tragedies of mine. I was referring to those type of circumstances.. oh, excrement, it’s USN. He’s being purposefully being obtuse.


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nolanvt wrote:
133743Hokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
Emotional arguments. Typical


Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.


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Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?


I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.

But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.


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Ok. You've singled out the AR-15. It "looks scary", militaristic, and is semi-automatic. Fair enough. But a majority of handguns are semi-automatic as well. They have clips that can be easily carried and quickly changed out too. So why just AR-15s? What is the logic or rationale for just stopping there? And if you decide to extrapolate out to other similar weapons, where does it end, and are you now seriously infringing on the 2A?


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