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Re: Good to see the kids stand up

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HokieFanDC wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote: There are 17 states that require annual or biennial inspections. I’m pretty sure that satisfies my statement that “- In some states, have periodic inspections to verify that the car is safe to operate.“

And 48 states require insurance.
Are you going to argue against those facts?? I really hope you keep going. There is definitely the possibility you’ve devised some clever word twist that you think makes you right.
Those are tied to (license plate) registration for operation on public roads, not ownership. If you buy a vehicle and only operate it on your land, you do neither. It's do simple, diggity understands it.
And there you have it, you’re trying to be clever. This discussion started b/c cwtr compared auto deaths to gun deaths. Your carve out of vehicles operating on private land is meaningless. You’re wasting everyone’s time with your nonsense.
You don't have to be clever to understand facts. When you say "To own a car, you have to:....", one should expect requirements to own a car will follow. You can't even get that right.

I think you're the one using underpants gnome logic to argue otherwise. Better luck next time with the lefty talking points.
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Re: Good to see the kids stand up

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HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote: If having a drivers license and insurance and valid tags is a requirement to operate a vehicle how come everyone stopped on the Live PD show never have any of that?

Because those shows are about people breaking the law....
Glad we all agree that laws work for people who follow laws. If only there was a law against murder this wouldn't have happened!
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Re: Good to see the kids stand up

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HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:[

So cars and guns can both kill people. Sounds like you think they're similar, are you cool with them having the same restrictions?

For any person to operate a car (not own, just operate one), they do the following:

- Obtain a drivers license, with photo, from the state that registers them with the state and many other databases.
- Take a course on use, safety, and laws related to operating the vehicle.
- Take a written test to make sure the course taught them what they needed to know.
- Take a field test to ensure they can operate the vehicle effectively and safely.
- Renew that license on a periodic basis.
- If you want to operate a vehicle that is not a standard passenger vehicle, you must obtain a separate license with separate requirements, including training.

To own a car, you have to:
- Register the purchase with the state, sometimes costing hundreds of dollars.
- Obtain insurance for that vehicle to cover costs associated with any property damage or bodily harm done by the vehicle.
- In some states, have periodic inspections to verify that the car is safe to operate.
- In many states, you have to pay annual taxes, or registration fees, often costing hundreds of dollars.
- When the car is sold, the purchase details must be registered.

You think having those requirements for gun ownership and operation is a good idea??
You're conflating operating a car vs. purchasing a car. Come back with better lefty talking points next time. Operating a gun in public (concealed carry) is quite hard, some states don't even allow it!
Are you mental? Separating the requirements for operating a car and purchasing a car, into 2 categories, is the exact opposite of conflating.
As for a talking point, that's nonsense. I've never seen anyone lay out the requirements to purchase and operate a car in detail.
On the other hand, I have seen gun nuts cart out the "cars kill people, ban them!" nonsense over and over again.
To be fair, USN usually takes the access roads when cwtcer gets on the expressway to stupidtown. AG drives faster.


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And Fester can't have an adult conversation if his sorry life depended on it.....yep, you are one brilliant a-hole

and DC, I think USN schooled you on the difference between owning and operating, but no response from you, you were on a roll!

FYI, I got 25 acres, I realize you think that everyone in the country has a 50 ft driveway and that is it but he is right, I can BUY a vehicle and drive it around my acreage all day and never pay the registration or license tax or even need a drivers license to do it

And again in your original post you hinted at having a "special" tax on firearms..... I am fine with that as long as we have a special tax on espresso coffee machines... it makes as much sense as your special tax on a piece of personal property
I responded to his nonsense, it’s the same nonsense that you just posted.
I don’t think anything close to what you claim, of course people can use an unregistered vehicle on their property.

Let’s add to that to YOUR analogy of cars and guns. That would mean that if you want to own a gun and not have it regstered, you can’t take it off your property. You good with that?

I didn’t hint at a special tax, I listed what is necessary to own a car. You want to compare guns to cars, then take all factors into account.[/quote

again, vehicles kill tons more people yearly than any firearms do, and smoking kills more than both combined
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Re: Good to see the kids stand up

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USN_Hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote: There are 17 states that require annual or biennial inspections. I’m pretty sure that satisfies my statement that “- In some states, have periodic inspections to verify that the car is safe to operate.“

And 48 states require insurance.
Are you going to argue against those facts?? I really hope you keep going. There is definitely the possibility you’ve devised some clever word twist that you think makes you right.
Those are tied to (license plate) registration for operation on public roads, not ownership. If you buy a vehicle and only operate it on your land, you do neither. It's do simple, diggity understands it.
And there you have it, you’re trying to be clever. This discussion started b/c cwtr compared auto deaths to gun deaths. Your carve out of vehicles operating on private land is meaningless. You’re wasting everyone’s time with your nonsense.
You don't have to be clever to understand facts. When you say "To own a car, you have to:....", one should expect requirements to own a car will follow. You can't even get that right.

I think you're the one using underpants gnome logic to argue otherwise. Better luck next time with the lefty talking points.
So, you need a carve out in the rules for use on private land. Sounds fair.
Here are the gun rules, with your carve out.

For any person to operate a gun, in a public setting (not own, just operate one), they must do the following:

- Obtain a gun operator license, with photo, from the state that registers them with the state and many other databases.
- Take a course on use, safety, and laws related to operating the gun.
- Take a written test to make sure the course taught them what they needed to know.
- Take a field test to ensure they can operate the gun effectively and safely.
- Renew that license on a periodic basis.
- If you want to operate a gun that is not a standard gun, you must obtain a separate license with separate requirements, including training.

To own a gun that will be used in any public setting, you have to:
- Register the purchase with the state.
- Obtain insurance for that gun to cover costs associated with any property damage or bodily harm done by the gun.
- On a state by state basis, have periodic inspections to verify that the gun is safe to operate.
- On a state by state basis, you have to pay annual taxes, or registration fees.
- When the gun is sold, the purchase details must be registered.

You good with that???
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Re: Good to see the kids stand up

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So cars and guns can both kill people. Sounds like you think they're similar, are you cool with them having the same restrictions?

For any person to operate a car (not own, just operate one), they do the following:

- Obtain a drivers license, with photo, from the state that registers them with the state and many other databases.
- Take a course on use, safety, and laws related to operating the vehicle.
- Take a written test to make sure the course taught them what they needed to know.
- Take a field test to ensure they can operate the vehicle effectively and safely.
- Renew that license on a periodic basis.
- If you want to operate a vehicle that is not a standard passenger vehicle, you must obtain a separate license with separate requirements, including training.

To own a car, you have to:
- Register the purchase with the state, sometimes costing hundreds of dollars.
- Obtain insurance for that vehicle to cover costs associated with any property damage or bodily harm done by the vehicle.
- In some states, have periodic inspections to verify that the car is safe to operate.
- In many states, you have to pay annual taxes, or registration fees, often costing hundreds of dollars.
- When the car is sold, the purchase details must be registered.

You think having those requirements for gun ownership and operation is a good idea??[/quote]

You're conflating operating a car vs. purchasing a car. Come back with better lefty talking points next time. Operating a gun in public (concealed carry) is quite hard, some states don't even allow it![/quote]

Are you mental? Separating the requirements for operating a car and purchasing a car, into 2 categories, is the exact opposite of conflating.
As for a talking point, that's nonsense. I've never seen anyone lay out the requirements to purchase and operate a car in detail.
On the other hand, I have seen gun nuts cart out the "cars kill people, ban them!" nonsense over and over again.[/quote]

You included car operating requirements because your argument is bullshit.

Your requirements to "own" a car are almost entirely operating requirements. You don't need a periodic inspection to own a car. Are you mental?[/quote]

If you say so. I included car operating requirements, because non-owners can use both cars and guns.
If you own a car, and someone is going to drive it, you need an inspection. If you're going to drive your wife's car, ie you're merely an operator, you don't have to worry about an inspection. The owner is the only one who has to do the inspection. Please, keep going, you've had a special few days.[/quote]

If having a drivers license and insurance and valid tags is a requirement to operate a vehicle how come everyone stopped on the Live PD show never have any of that?[/quote]


Because those shows are about people breaking the law....[/quote]

No, Live PD is actual cops just doing their jobs in real time, you did not answer the question tho
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Re: Good to see the kids stand up

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HokieFanDC wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote: There are 17 states that require annual or biennial inspections. I’m pretty sure that satisfies my statement that “- In some states, have periodic inspections to verify that the car is safe to operate.“

And 48 states require insurance.
Are you going to argue against those facts?? I really hope you keep going. There is definitely the possibility you’ve devised some clever word twist that you think makes you right.
Those are tied to (license plate) registration for operation on public roads, not ownership. If you buy a vehicle and only operate it on your land, you do neither. It's do simple, diggity understands it.
And there you have it, you’re trying to be clever. This discussion started b/c cwtr compared auto deaths to gun deaths. Your carve out of vehicles operating on private land is meaningless. You’re wasting everyone’s time with your nonsense.
You don't have to be clever to understand facts. When you say "To own a car, you have to:....", one should expect requirements to own a car will follow. You can't even get that right.

I think you're the one using underpants gnome logic to argue otherwise. Better luck next time with the lefty talking points.
So, you need a carve out in the rules for use on private land. Sounds fair.
Here are the gun rules, with your carve out.

For any person to operate a gun, in a public setting (not own, just operate one), they must do the following:

- Obtain a gun operator license, with photo, from the state that registers them with the state and many other databases.
- Take a course on use, safety, and laws related to operating the gun.
- Take a written test to make sure the course taught them what they needed to know.
- Take a field test to ensure they can operate the gun effectively and safely.
- Renew that license on a periodic basis.
- If you want to operate a gun that is not a standard gun, you must obtain a separate license with separate requirements, including training.

To own a gun that will be used in any public setting, you have to:
- Register the purchase with the state.
- Obtain insurance for that gun to cover costs associated with any property damage or bodily harm done by the gun.
- On a state by state basis, have periodic inspections to verify that the gun is safe to operate.
- On a state by state basis, you have to pay annual taxes, or registration fees.
- When the gun is sold, the purchase details must be registered.

You good with that???
you are talking about concealed carry permit which the requirements you list are part of getting the actual permit... next

and again your assumption is that criminals follow all laws.... murder and assault with a deadly weapon (just some of the charges the moron FL shooter is facing) ARE AGAINST THE LAW, if only the idiot FL shooter would have thought of that, darn it
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Re: Good to see the kids stand up

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cwtcr hokie wrote:So cars and guns can both kill people. Sounds like you think they're similar, are you cool with them having the same restrictions?

For any person to operate a car (not own, just operate one), they do the following:

- Obtain a drivers license, with photo, from the state that registers them with the state and many other databases.
- Take a course on use, safety, and laws related to operating the vehicle.
- Take a written test to make sure the course taught them what they needed to know.
- Take a field test to ensure they can operate the vehicle effectively and safely.
- Renew that license on a periodic basis.
- If you want to operate a vehicle that is not a standard passenger vehicle, you must obtain a separate license with separate requirements, including training.

To own a car, you have to:
- Register the purchase with the state, sometimes costing hundreds of dollars.
- Obtain insurance for that vehicle to cover costs associated with any property damage or bodily harm done by the vehicle.
- In some states, have periodic inspections to verify that the car is safe to operate.
- In many states, you have to pay annual taxes, or registration fees, often costing hundreds of dollars.
- When the car is sold, the purchase details must be registered.

You think having those requirements for gun ownership and operation is a good idea??
You're conflating operating a car vs. purchasing a car. Come back with better lefty talking points next time. Operating a gun in public (concealed carry) is quite hard, some states don't even allow it![/quote]

Are you mental? Separating the requirements for operating a car and purchasing a car, into 2 categories, is the exact opposite of conflating.
As for a talking point, that's nonsense. I've never seen anyone lay out the requirements to purchase and operate a car in detail.
On the other hand, I have seen gun nuts cart out the "cars kill people, ban them!" nonsense over and over again.[/quote]

You included car operating requirements because your argument is bullshit.

Your requirements to "own" a car are almost entirely operating requirements. You don't need a periodic inspection to own a car. Are you mental?[/quote]

If you say so. I included car operating requirements, because non-owners can use both cars and guns.
If you own a car, and someone is going to drive it, you need an inspection. If you're going to drive your wife's car, ie you're merely an operator, you don't have to worry about an inspection. The owner is the only one who has to do the inspection. Please, keep going, you've had a special few days.[/quote]

If having a drivers license and insurance and valid tags is a requirement to operate a vehicle how come everyone stopped on the Live PD show never have any of that?[/quote]


Because those shows are about people breaking the law....[/quote]

No, Live PD is actual cops just doing their jobs in real time, you did not answer the question tho[/quote]

I don't watch Live PD shows, so can't tell you. But, they're breaking the law, so will get fined, possibly jailed, and if they do it multiple times, will have their right to drive taken away.
That's how laws work. There would be no punishment, without the law.
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Re: Good to see the kids stand up

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HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:So cars and guns can both kill people. Sounds like you think they're similar, are you cool with them having the same restrictions?

For any person to operate a car (not own, just operate one), they do the following:

- Obtain a drivers license, with photo, from the state that registers them with the state and many other databases.
- Take a course on use, safety, and laws related to operating the vehicle.
- Take a written test to make sure the course taught them what they needed to know.
- Take a field test to ensure they can operate the vehicle effectively and safely.
- Renew that license on a periodic basis.
- If you want to operate a vehicle that is not a standard passenger vehicle, you must obtain a separate license with separate requirements, including training.

To own a car, you have to:
- Register the purchase with the state, sometimes costing hundreds of dollars.
- Obtain insurance for that vehicle to cover costs associated with any property damage or bodily harm done by the vehicle.
- In some states, have periodic inspections to verify that the car is safe to operate.
- In many states, you have to pay annual taxes, or registration fees, often costing hundreds of dollars.
- When the car is sold, the purchase details must be registered.

You think having those requirements for gun ownership and operation is a good idea??
You're conflating operating a car vs. purchasing a car. Come back with better lefty talking points next time. Operating a gun in public (concealed carry) is quite hard, some states don't even allow it!
Are you mental? Separating the requirements for operating a car and purchasing a car, into 2 categories, is the exact opposite of conflating.
As for a talking point, that's nonsense. I've never seen anyone lay out the requirements to purchase and operate a car in detail.
On the other hand, I have seen gun nuts cart out the "cars kill people, ban them!" nonsense over and over again.[/quote]

You included car operating requirements because your argument is bullshit.

Your requirements to "own" a car are almost entirely operating requirements. You don't need a periodic inspection to own a car. Are you mental?[/quote]

If you say so. I included car operating requirements, because non-owners can use both cars and guns.
If you own a car, and someone is going to drive it, you need an inspection. If you're going to drive your wife's car, ie you're merely an operator, you don't have to worry about an inspection. The owner is the only one who has to do the inspection. Please, keep going, you've had a special few days.[/quote]

If having a drivers license and insurance and valid tags is a requirement to operate a vehicle how come everyone stopped on the Live PD show never have any of that?[/quote]


Because those shows are about people breaking the law....[/quote]

No, Live PD is actual cops just doing their jobs in real time, you did not answer the question tho[/quote]

I don't watch Live PD shows, so can't tell you. But, they're breaking the law, so will get fined, possibly jailed, and if they do it multiple times, will have their right to drive taken away.
That's how laws work. There would be no punishment, without the law.[/quote]

you are correct and if you have a firearm in your vehicle and do not have a concealed carry permit you will also be charged, if criminals would just follow our damn laws

btw, you should watch the Live PD show, its on A&E from 9-12 on friday and saturday night, it would give you incredible insight into what our cops deal with all the time while on the job
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Re: Good to see the kids stand up

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cwtcr hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:So cars and guns can both kill people. Sounds like you think they're similar, are you cool with them having the same restrictions?

For any person to operate a car (not own, just operate one), they do the following:

- Obtain a drivers license, with photo, from the state that registers them with the state and many other databases.
- Take a course on use, safety, and laws related to operating the vehicle.
- Take a written test to make sure the course taught them what they needed to know.
- Take a field test to ensure they can operate the vehicle effectively and safely.
- Renew that license on a periodic basis.
- If you want to operate a vehicle that is not a standard passenger vehicle, you must obtain a separate license with separate requirements, including training.

To own a car, you have to:
- Register the purchase with the state, sometimes costing hundreds of dollars.
- Obtain insurance for that vehicle to cover costs associated with any property damage or bodily harm done by the vehicle.
- In some states, have periodic inspections to verify that the car is safe to operate.
- In many states, you have to pay annual taxes, or registration fees, often costing hundreds of dollars.
- When the car is sold, the purchase details must be registered.

You think having those requirements for gun ownership and operation is a good idea??
You're conflating operating a car vs. purchasing a car. Come back with better lefty talking points next time. Operating a gun in public (concealed carry) is quite hard, some states don't even allow it!
Are you mental? Separating the requirements for operating a car and purchasing a car, into 2 categories, is the exact opposite of conflating.
As for a talking point, that's nonsense. I've never seen anyone lay out the requirements to purchase and operate a car in detail.
On the other hand, I have seen gun nuts cart out the "cars kill people, ban them!" nonsense over and over again.
You included car operating requirements because your argument is bullshit.

Your requirements to "own" a car are almost entirely operating requirements. You don't need a periodic inspection to own a car. Are you mental?[/quote]

If you say so. I included car operating requirements, because non-owners can use both cars and guns.
If you own a car, and someone is going to drive it, you need an inspection. If you're going to drive your wife's car, ie you're merely an operator, you don't have to worry about an inspection. The owner is the only one who has to do the inspection. Please, keep going, you've had a special few days.[/quote]

If having a drivers license and insurance and valid tags is a requirement to operate a vehicle how come everyone stopped on the Live PD show never have any of that?[/quote]


Because those shows are about people breaking the law....[/quote]

No, Live PD is actual cops just doing their jobs in real time, you did not answer the question tho[/quote]

I don't watch Live PD shows, so can't tell you. But, they're breaking the law, so will get fined, possibly jailed, and if they do it multiple times, will have their right to drive taken away.
That's how laws work. There would be no punishment, without the law.[/quote]

you are correct and if you have a firearm in your vehicle and do not have a concealed carry permit you will also be charged, if criminals would just follow our damn laws

btw, you should watch the Live PD show, its on A&E from 9-12 on friday and saturday night, it would give you incredible insight into what our cops deal with all the time while on the job[/quote]

I know what cops do while on the job. They're amazing. Why do you think I need to watch a Live PD show?
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Re: Good to see the kids stand up

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HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:So cars and guns can both kill people. Sounds like you think they're similar, are you cool with them having the same restrictions?

For any person to operate a car (not own, just operate one), they do the following:

- Obtain a drivers license, with photo, from the state that registers them with the state and many other databases.
- Take a course on use, safety, and laws related to operating the vehicle.
- Take a written test to make sure the course taught them what they needed to know.
- Take a field test to ensure they can operate the vehicle effectively and safely.
- Renew that license on a periodic basis.
- If you want to operate a vehicle that is not a standard passenger vehicle, you must obtain a separate license with separate requirements, including training.

To own a car, you have to:
- Register the purchase with the state, sometimes costing hundreds of dollars.
- Obtain insurance for that vehicle to cover costs associated with any property damage or bodily harm done by the vehicle.
- In some states, have periodic inspections to verify that the car is safe to operate.
- In many states, you have to pay annual taxes, or registration fees, often costing hundreds of dollars.
- When the car is sold, the purchase details must be registered.

You think having those requirements for gun ownership and operation is a good idea??
You're conflating operating a car vs. purchasing a car. Come back with better lefty talking points next time. Operating a gun in public (concealed carry) is quite hard, some states don't even allow it!
Are you mental? Separating the requirements for operating a car and purchasing a car, into 2 categories, is the exact opposite of conflating.
As for a talking point, that's nonsense. I've never seen anyone lay out the requirements to purchase and operate a car in detail.
On the other hand, I have seen gun nuts cart out the "cars kill people, ban them!" nonsense over and over again.
You included car operating requirements because your argument is bullshit.

Your requirements to "own" a car are almost entirely operating requirements. You don't need a periodic inspection to own a car. Are you mental?
If you say so. I included car operating requirements, because non-owners can use both cars and guns.
If you own a car, and someone is going to drive it, you need an inspection. If you're going to drive your wife's car, ie you're merely an operator, you don't have to worry about an inspection. The owner is the only one who has to do the inspection. Please, keep going, you've had a special few days.[/quote]

If having a drivers license and insurance and valid tags is a requirement to operate a vehicle how come everyone stopped on the Live PD show never have any of that?[/quote]


Because those shows are about people breaking the law....[/quote]

No, Live PD is actual cops just doing their jobs in real time, you did not answer the question tho[/quote]

I don't watch Live PD shows, so can't tell you. But, they're breaking the law, so will get fined, possibly jailed, and if they do it multiple times, will have their right to drive taken away.
That's how laws work. There would be no punishment, without the law.[/quote]

you are correct and if you have a firearm in your vehicle and do not have a concealed carry permit you will also be charged, if criminals would just follow our damn laws

btw, you should watch the Live PD show, its on A&E from 9-12 on friday and saturday night, it would give you incredible insight into what our cops deal with all the time while on the job[/quote]


no reason, you never need anymore knowledge
I know what cops do while on the job. They're amazing. Why do you think I need to watch a Live PD show?[/quote]
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Re: Good to see the kids stand up

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cwtcr hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:So cars and guns can both kill people. Sounds like you think they're similar, are you cool with them having the same restrictions?

For any person to operate a car (not own, just operate one), they do the following:

- Obtain a drivers license, with photo, from the state that registers them with the state and many other databases.
- Take a course on use, safety, and laws related to operating the vehicle.
- Take a written test to make sure the course taught them what they needed to know.
- Take a field test to ensure they can operate the vehicle effectively and safely.
- Renew that license on a periodic basis.
- If you want to operate a vehicle that is not a standard passenger vehicle, you must obtain a separate license with separate requirements, including training.

To own a car, you have to:
- Register the purchase with the state, sometimes costing hundreds of dollars.
- Obtain insurance for that vehicle to cover costs associated with any property damage or bodily harm done by the vehicle.
- In some states, have periodic inspections to verify that the car is safe to operate.
- In many states, you have to pay annual taxes, or registration fees, often costing hundreds of dollars.
- When the car is sold, the purchase details must be registered.

You think having those requirements for gun ownership and operation is a good idea??
You're conflating operating a car vs. purchasing a car. Come back with better lefty talking points next time. Operating a gun in public (concealed carry) is quite hard, some states don't even allow it!
Are you mental? Separating the requirements for operating a car and purchasing a car, into 2 categories, is the exact opposite of conflating.
As for a talking point, that's nonsense. I've never seen anyone lay out the requirements to purchase and operate a car in detail.
On the other hand, I have seen gun nuts cart out the "cars kill people, ban them!" nonsense over and over again.
You included car operating requirements because your argument is bullshit.

Your requirements to "own" a car are almost entirely operating requirements. You don't need a periodic inspection to own a car. Are you mental?
If you say so. I included car operating requirements, because non-owners can use both cars and guns.
If you own a car, and someone is going to drive it, you need an inspection. If you're going to drive your wife's car, ie you're merely an operator, you don't have to worry about an inspection. The owner is the only one who has to do the inspection. Please, keep going, you've had a special few days.
If having a drivers license and insurance and valid tags is a requirement to operate a vehicle how come everyone stopped on the Live PD show never have any of that?[/quote]


Because those shows are about people breaking the law....[/quote]

No, Live PD is actual cops just doing their jobs in real time, you did not answer the question tho[/quote]

I don't watch Live PD shows, so can't tell you. But, they're breaking the law, so will get fined, possibly jailed, and if they do it multiple times, will have their right to drive taken away.
That's how laws work. There would be no punishment, without the law.[/quote]

you are correct and if you have a firearm in your vehicle and do not have a concealed carry permit you will also be charged, if criminals would just follow our damn laws

btw, you should watch the Live PD show, its on A&E from 9-12 on friday and saturday night, it would give you incredible insight into what our cops deal with all the time while on the job[/quote]


no reason, you never need anymore knowledge
I know what cops do while on the job. They're amazing. Why do you think I need to watch a Live PD show?[/quote][/quote]

Knowledge is great, just wondering what insight you think I need. If you're just saying that it's a great show for anyone to watch, because it's real stuff, not COPS, then just say it.
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HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:So cars and guns can both kill people. Sounds like you think they're similar, are you cool with them having the same restrictions?

For any person to operate a car (not own, just operate one), they do the following:

- Obtain a drivers license, with photo, from the state that registers them with the state and many other databases.
- Take a course on use, safety, and laws related to operating the vehicle.
- Take a written test to make sure the course taught them what they needed to know.
- Take a field test to ensure they can operate the vehicle effectively and safely.
- Renew that license on a periodic basis.
- If you want to operate a vehicle that is not a standard passenger vehicle, you must obtain a separate license with separate requirements, including training.

To own a car, you have to:
- Register the purchase with the state, sometimes costing hundreds of dollars.
- Obtain insurance for that vehicle to cover costs associated with any property damage or bodily harm done by the vehicle.
- In some states, have periodic inspections to verify that the car is safe to operate.
- In many states, you have to pay annual taxes, or registration fees, often costing hundreds of dollars.
- When the car is sold, the purchase details must be registered.

You think having those requirements for gun ownership and operation is a good idea??
You're conflating operating a car vs. purchasing a car. Come back with better lefty talking points next time. Operating a gun in public (concealed carry) is quite hard, some states don't even allow it!
Are you mental? Separating the requirements for operating a car and purchasing a car, into 2 categories, is the exact opposite of conflating.
As for a talking point, that's nonsense. I've never seen anyone lay out the requirements to purchase and operate a car in detail.
On the other hand, I have seen gun nuts cart out the "cars kill people, ban them!" nonsense over and over again.
You included car operating requirements because your argument is bullshit.

Your requirements to "own" a car are almost entirely operating requirements. You don't need a periodic inspection to own a car. Are you mental?
If you say so. I included car operating requirements, because non-owners can use both cars and guns.
If you own a car, and someone is going to drive it, you need an inspection. If you're going to drive your wife's car, ie you're merely an operator, you don't have to worry about an inspection. The owner is the only one who has to do the inspection. Please, keep going, you've had a special few days.
If having a drivers license and insurance and valid tags is a requirement to operate a vehicle how come everyone stopped on the Live PD show never have any of that?

Because those shows are about people breaking the law....[/quote]

No, Live PD is actual cops just doing their jobs in real time, you did not answer the question tho[/quote]

I don't watch Live PD shows, so can't tell you. But, they're breaking the law, so will get fined, possibly jailed, and if they do it multiple times, will have their right to drive taken away.
That's how laws work. There would be no punishment, without the law.[/quote]

you are correct and if you have a firearm in your vehicle and do not have a concealed carry permit you will also be charged, if criminals would just follow our damn laws

btw, you should watch the Live PD show, its on A&E from 9-12 on friday and saturday night, it would give you incredible insight into what our cops deal with all the time while on the job[/quote]


no reason, you never need anymore knowledge
I know what cops do while on the job. They're amazing. Why do you think I need to watch a Live PD show?[/quote][/quote]

Knowledge is great, just wondering what insight you think I need. If you're just saying that it's a great show for anyone to watch, because it's real stuff, not COPS, then just say it.[/quote]



sorry did not realize you were a cop, had a cop as a close relative or did ride alongs all the time or were on the camera crew for this show, otherwise there is knowledge there for you. I really don't give two flips what you watch on tv, just a friendly suggestion
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cwtcr hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:

you are correct and if you have a firearm in your vehicle and do not have a concealed carry permit you will also be charged, if criminals would just follow our damn laws

btw, you should watch the Live PD show, its on A&E from 9-12 on friday and saturday night, it would give you incredible insight into what our cops deal with all the time while on the job

I know what cops do while on the job. They're amazing. Why do you think I need to watch a Live PD show?
Knowledge is great, just wondering what insight you think I need. If you're just saying that it's a great show for anyone to watch, because it's real stuff, not COPS, then just say it.


sorry did not realize you were a cop, had a cop as a close relative or did ride alongs all the time or were on the camera crew for this show, otherwise there is knowledge there for you. I really don't give two flips what you watch on tv, just a friendly suggestion
No worries, didn't expect you to know. My good friend, and son's godfather, has 40 years in the LA Sheriff's dept., total badass and a great person. Have done ride alongs, very few. Thanks for the friendly suggestion, maybe I'll check it out.
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HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:

you are correct and if you have a firearm in your vehicle and do not have a concealed carry permit you will also be charged, if criminals would just follow our damn laws

btw, you should watch the Live PD show, its on A&E from 9-12 on friday and saturday night, it would give you incredible insight into what our cops deal with all the time while on the job

I know what cops do while on the job. They're amazing. Why do you think I need to watch a Live PD show?
Knowledge is great, just wondering what insight you think I need. If you're just saying that it's a great show for anyone to watch, because it's real stuff, not COPS, then just say it.


sorry did not realize you were a cop, had a cop as a close relative or did ride alongs all the time or were on the camera crew for this show, otherwise there is knowledge there for you. I really don't give two flips what you watch on tv, just a friendly suggestion
No worries, didn't expect you to know. My good friend, and son's godfather, has 40 years in the LA Sheriff's dept., total badass and a great person. Have done ride alongs, very few. Thanks for the friendly suggestion, maybe I'll check it out.
It opened my eyes to the people they have to deal with every day, wow, america is messed up
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cwtcr hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:
HokieFanDC wrote:
I know what cops do while on the job. They're amazing. Why do you think I need to watch a Live PD show?
Knowledge is great, just wondering what insight you think I need. If you're just saying that it's a great show for anyone to watch, because it's real stuff, not COPS, then just say it.


sorry did not realize you were a cop, had a cop as a close relative or did ride alongs all the time or were on the camera crew for this show, otherwise there is knowledge there for you. I really don't give two flips what you watch on tv, just a friendly suggestion
No worries, didn't expect you to know. My good friend, and son's godfather, has 40 years in the LA Sheriff's dept., total badass and a great person. Have done ride alongs, very few. Thanks for the friendly suggestion, maybe I'll check it out.
It opened my eyes to the people they have to deal with every day, wow, america is messed up
Now that, we can agree on 100%!
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So this week we want to allow emotional teenagers to re-write the constitution, last week we were banning laundry detergent pods because those same teenagers were not smart enough to not eat them.

Hmmmm....maybe irrational extreme decisions are not the best decisions.
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Yup
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UpstateSCHokie wrote:I think the title of this thread needs to be re-titled.
USN_Hokie wrote:Fake news strikes again...

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At least they admitted they were wrong. Has CNN or MSNBC done so recently?
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133743Hokie wrote:At least they admitted they were wrong. Has CNN or MSNBC done so recently?

Nope. They just tell bigger and bolder lies.
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133743Hokie wrote:At least they admitted they were wrong. Has CNN or MSNBC done so recently?

Nope. They just tell bigger and bolder lies.
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133743Hokie wrote:At least they admitted they were wrong. Has CNN or MSNBC done so recently?

Not sure about MSNBC, but CNN does it all the time.

I'm pretty certain that Fox is the clubhouse leader in BS stories, and no retractions. MSNBC is probably close, but the 5 people who watch that don't care.
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133743Hokie wrote:At least they admitted they were wrong. Has CNN or MSNBC done so recently?

Not sure about MSNBC, but CNN does it all the time.

I'm pretty certain that Fox is the clubhouse leader in BS stories, and no retractions. MSNBC is probably close, but the 5 people who watch that don't care.
LOL. CNN is famous for stealth edits.
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