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HokieFanDC wrote:

awesome guy wrote:

133743Hokie wrote:

awesome guy wrote:

133743Hokie wrote:

awesome guy wrote:That's BS. Saying an 18 year old isn't an adult is a whacko position.

The government has determined 18 is an adult, for some tings. To believe that an 18 year old is fully developed mentally and emotionally is whacko.

I said "developed enough". Your position is whacko land stuff, he'll, being literal, no one is fully developed till death as we're always developing.

You're coming unglued over this.
Oh, and your brain peaks and then starts declining over time. In fact, I expect yours is in deep dive these days based on your pistingvrecently.

I'm a couple steps ahead of you. I'm not unglued, I'm laughing at your retarded claims. IQ and mental capabilities diminish way late in life. Your arguing against science and reason, it's hilarious.

The prefrontal cortex is not fully developed at 18, doesn't fully develop until 25. Most studies agree that people are not fully developed by 18. But, of course, there is no way to say precisely when a person is "mature".

No kidding. Maybe, just maybe I said "developed enough" on purpose. IE they have enough sense to buy a gun. The deadliest shooting in history(excluding the government) was by a 64 year old. Very few mass shootings would fall into the expanded adulthood kookery anyway.

awesome guy wrote:

HokieFanDC wrote:

awesome guy wrote:

133743Hokie wrote:

awesome guy wrote:

133743Hokie wrote: The government has determined 18 is an adult, for some tings. To believe that an 18 year old is fully developed mentally and emotionally is whacko.

I said "developed enough". Your position is whacko land stuff, he'll, being literal, no one is fully developed till death as we're always developing.

You're coming unglued over this.
Oh, and your brain peaks and then starts declining over time. In fact, I expect yours is in deep dive these days based on your pistingvrecently.

I'm a couple steps ahead of you. I'm not unglued, I'm laughing at your retarded claims. IQ and mental capabilities diminish way late in life. Your arguing against science and reason, it's hilarious.

The prefrontal cortex is not fully developed at 18, doesn't fully develop until 25. Most studies agree that people are not fully developed by 18. But, of course, there is no way to say precisely when a person is "mature".

No kidding. Maybe, just maybe I said "developed enough" on purpose. IE they have enough sense to buy a gun. The deadliest shooting in history(excluding the government) was by a 64 year old. Very few mass shootings would fall into the expanded adulthood kookery anyway.

Yeh, I know. I just picked a post to respond to. I'm mostly fine with 18, but I'm pretty sure it was a number solely picked b/c that's when kids graduated HS, and the military needed bodies. If you're looking for an age of maturity, there isn't any science behind 18. It's more of a societal expectation.

HokieFanDC wrote:

133743Hokie wrote:

cwtcr hokie wrote:

ElbertoHokie wrote:in Florida to require anyone purchasing a firearm to be 21 or older with the exception of military personnel or police.

Sorry, I don't get the age restrictions, I realize the little snowflakes can't handle life anymore but when you are 18 you are of legal age to be an adult....so tell the little effers to grow the hell up, curious tho how many have lots of dollars to go buy guns and ammo...hard to make money sleeping on your moms couch all day

The problem is that 18 shouldn't be the age of majority. The are too young, their brains are still forming and their hormones are raging. 21 should be the age of majority for everything that is "adult" restricted.

Depends on what your criteria is. Certainly there is no scientific basis for it. AFAIK, 18 was the age that was set for military enrollment, and then became the basis for voting, and then a bunch of other things. Maybe it was chosen b/c that's when most people graduated, and entered the workforce, or college, or whatever the next step is.
But, I still think it's a reasonable age, there are plenty of reasonable 18 year olds, it's probably more related to parenting, than age.
As for 21, how many of the mass shootings were people over 21? This idea is a prime example of tunnel vision on the latest crime.

Developmentally, they won't fully mature until about 25 years of age. OTOH, 18 yr olds helped fight and win WW1 and WW2. So it seems that mental age is somewhat dependent on the culture in which they mature. The problem we have now is our culture.

HokieJoe wrote:

HokieFanDC wrote:

133743Hokie wrote:

cwtcr hokie wrote:

ElbertoHokie wrote:in Florida to require anyone purchasing a firearm to be 21 or older with the exception of military personnel or police.

Sorry, I don't get the age restrictions, I realize the little snowflakes can't handle life anymore but when you are 18 you are of legal age to be an adult....so tell the little effers to grow the hell up, curious tho how many have lots of dollars to go buy guns and ammo...hard to make money sleeping on your moms couch all day

The problem is that 18 shouldn't be the age of majority. The are too young, their brains are still forming and their hormones are raging. 21 should be the age of majority for everything that is "adult" restricted.

Depends on what your criteria is. Certainly there is no scientific basis for it. AFAIK, 18 was the age that was set for military enrollment, and then became the basis for voting, and then a bunch of other things. Maybe it was chosen b/c that's when most people graduated, and entered the workforce, or college, or whatever the next step is.
But, I still think it's a reasonable age, there are plenty of reasonable 18 year olds, it's probably more related to parenting, than age.
As for 21, how many of the mass shootings were people over 21? This idea is a prime example of tunnel vision on the latest crime.

Developmentally, they won't fully mature until about 25 years of age. OTOH, 18 yr olds helped fight and win WW1 and WW2. So it seems that mental age is somewhat dependent on the culture in which they mature. The problem we have now is our culture.

I would certainly agree that 18 year olds today are culturally different than they were 40, 70, 100 years ago, generally leading to less maturity. Society as a whole is much different as well.

I think this whole idea of raising the legal age to purchase any gun from 18 to 21 has to be thought through. Its easy to make an irrational call for something like this in the wake of an emotional tragedy. But there should be some exceptions here:

1) If an 18-21 year old is in the military, then obviously they must be allow to use a gun. And since they would receive better gun training than most of the rest of the population, they would probably be more qualified to own a gun then someone that is over 21.

2) Should this rule only apply to 18-21 year olds that still live with their parents (i.e. are claimed as dependents on a tax return)? Why should a 20 year old living along and not depending on anyone for their income not be allowed to purchase a gun for home protection? That just seems to be arbitrary to me. Could we make exceptions for these people if they complete a training class?

UpstateSCHokie wrote:I think this whole idea of raising the legal age to purchase any gun from 18 to 21 has to be thought through. Its easy to make an irrational call for something like this in the wake of an emotional tragedy. But there should be some exceptions here:

1) If an 18-21 year old is in the military, then obviously they must be allow to use a gun. And since they would receive better gun training than most of the rest of the population, they would probably be more qualified to own a gun then someone that is over 21.

2) Should this rule only apply to 18-21 year olds that still live with their parents (i.e. are claimed as dependents on a tax return)? Why should a 20 year old living along and not depending on anyone for their income not be allowed to purchase a gun for home protection? That just seems to be arbitrary to me. Could we make exceptions for these people if they complete a training class?

18yo's are legally independent adults, they should have the same civil right to personal self defense as other adults.

USN_Hokie wrote:

UpstateSCHokie wrote:I think this whole idea of raising the legal age to purchase any gun from 18 to 21 has to be thought through. Its easy to make an irrational call for something like this in the wake of an emotional tragedy. But there should be some exceptions here:

1) If an 18-21 year old is in the military, then obviously they must be allow to use a gun. And since they would receive better gun training than most of the rest of the population, they would probably be more qualified to own a gun then someone that is over 21.

2) Should this rule only apply to 18-21 year olds that still live with their parents (i.e. are claimed as dependents on a tax return)? Why should a 20 year old living along and not depending on anyone for their income not be allowed to purchase a gun for home protection? That just seems to be arbitrary to me. Could we make exceptions for these people if they complete a training class?

18yo's are legally independent adults, they should have the same civil right to personal self defense as other adults.

But that last shooter, he was 19! We need a knee jerk and stupid law made around him being 19 and using an AR.

USN_Hokie wrote:

UpstateSCHokie wrote:I think this whole idea of raising the legal age to purchase any gun from 18 to 21 has to be thought through. Its easy to make an irrational call for something like this in the wake of an emotional tragedy. But there should be some exceptions here:

1) If an 18-21 year old is in the military, then obviously they must be allow to use a gun. And since they would receive better gun training than most of the rest of the population, they would probably be more qualified to own a gun then someone that is over 21.

2) Should this rule only apply to 18-21 year olds that still live with their parents (i.e. are claimed as dependents on a tax return)? Why should a 20 year old living along and not depending on anyone for their income not be allowed to purchase a gun for home protection? That just seems to be arbitrary to me. Could we make exceptions for these people if they complete a training class?

18yo's are legally independent adults, they should have the same civil right to personal self defense as other adults.

Oh I agree. I'm not in favor of it at all. Its just another chip from the block of our 2A rights. I'm just asking the questions to people who do think its a good idea. Of course I know I'm wasting my breathe (typing) because the people that like it would actually like to just get rid of the 2A all together.

UpstateSCHokie wrote:

USN_Hokie wrote:

UpstateSCHokie wrote:I think this whole idea of raising the legal age to purchase any gun from 18 to 21 has to be thought through. Its easy to make an irrational call for something like this in the wake of an emotional tragedy. But there should be some exceptions here:

1) If an 18-21 year old is in the military, then obviously they must be allow to use a gun. And since they would receive better gun training than most of the rest of the population, they would probably be more qualified to own a gun then someone that is over 21.

2) Should this rule only apply to 18-21 year olds that still live with their parents (i.e. are claimed as dependents on a tax return)? Why should a 20 year old living along and not depending on anyone for their income not be allowed to purchase a gun for home protection? That just seems to be arbitrary to me. Could we make exceptions for these people if they complete a training class?

18yo's are legally independent adults, they should have the same civil right to personal self defense as other adults.

Oh I agree. I'm not in favor of it at all. Its just another chip from the block of our 2A rights. I'm just asking the questions to people who do think its a good idea. Of course I know I'm wasting my breathe (typing) because the people that like it would actually like to just get rid of the 2A all together.

Yeah my post was more a piggyback on yours.

This is a really good discussion. It definitely clarifies the folks on here who would be for repealing the 26th Ammendment.

Jack Galt wrote:This is a really good discussion. It definitely clarifies the folks on here who would be for repealing the 26th Ammendment.

The inconsistencies are what gets me. Voting, signing a lease, renting a car, joining the military/fighting wars, drinking alcohol, purchasing/owning firearms of various styles, health insurance, etc. So what is it? 18 or 21? There needs to be consistency across all of these -- one age. You're either an adult or you aren't.