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Huge momentum to "pay" college athletes now. Where
Do you stand?
1. They are already taking money under the table, so screw it?
2. The NCAA gets "gazillions" from CBS and the players don't get any of that pie, so they are entitled to it?
3. Only old white guys think college athletes are "amateurs", so just pay them?
4. A full ride scholarship is not that much money anyway?
5. If Shelor Motors will pay Josh Jackson a million dollars to sign autographs on a saturday, what's wrong with that?
Where in the college athletes deserve millions of dollars debate and scholarships aren't enough spectrum do you fall?
1. They are already taking money under the table, so screw it?
2. The NCAA gets "gazillions" from CBS and the players don't get any of that pie, so they are entitled to it?
3. Only old white guys think college athletes are "amateurs", so just pay them?
4. A full ride scholarship is not that much money anyway?
5. If Shelor Motors will pay Josh Jackson a million dollars to sign autographs on a saturday, what's wrong with that?
Where in the college athletes deserve millions of dollars debate and scholarships aren't enough spectrum do you fall?
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#1 and #2 are the closest.
There is so much money on the table, I think paying the kids a relatively modest stipend would actually clean the sport up.
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Nope. It will end up ruining college sports.
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Or you tell the 15 or so schools that are scum and pay these kids cash from boosters to clean up and try to compete like everyone else. I think Tom Izzo could wins some games with real college kids. This is changing the rule for 319 schools, when really only a small percentage cheat- because really a small percentage of these 18 year old basketball "stars" have "market value" anyway.ip_law-hokie wrote:#1 and #2 are the closest.
There is so much money on the table, I think paying the kids a relatively modest stipend would actually clean the sport up.
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I have no idea if and how many schools are paying kids. As you know, the agents are a documented problem.CFB Apologist wrote:Or you tell the 15 or so schools that are scum and pay these kids cash from boosters to clean up and try to compete like everyone else. I think Tom Izzo could wins some games with real college kids. This is changing the rule for 319 schools, when really only a small percentage cheat- because really a small percentage of these 18 year old basketball "stars" have "market value" anyway.ip_law-hokie wrote:#1 and #2 are the closest.
There is so much money on the table, I think paying the kids a relatively modest stipend would actually clean the sport up.
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I think we can come to a reasonable guess/hypothesis... If VT (a top 25 football and top 50ish hoops) program is paying Ahmed Hill and DeShawn McClease, we need to get our money back. I think it is a really, really safe bet to say this is limited to the top 15 schools give or take.ip_law-hokie wrote:I have no idea if and how many schools are paying kids. As you know, the agents are a documented problem.CFB Apologist wrote:Or you tell the 15 or so schools that are scum and pay these kids cash from boosters to clean up and try to compete like everyone else. I think Tom Izzo could wins some games with real college kids. This is changing the rule for 319 schools, when really only a small percentage cheat- because really a small percentage of these 18 year old basketball "stars" have "market value" anyway.ip_law-hokie wrote:#1 and #2 are the closest.
There is so much money on the table, I think paying the kids a relatively modest stipend would actually clean the sport up.
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I would be shocked if there weren't some players at VT (football or basketball) that weren't paid. As long as there is a large incentive to get better, no matter what the value of the recruit is, I'm sure there are financial incentives. A coach gets an extra 100k (or 500k) for winning a conference, or to make the tournament. Or, just the opportunity to field a better team which gets you your next coaching gig.CFB Apologist wrote:I think we can come to a reasonable guess/hypothesis... If VT (a top 25 football and top 50ish hoops) program is paying Ahmed Hill and DeShawn McClease, we need to get our money back. I think it is a really, really safe bet to say this is limited to the top 15 schools give or take.ip_law-hokie wrote:I have no idea if and how many schools are paying kids. As you know, the agents are a documented problem.CFB Apologist wrote:Or you tell the 15 or so schools that are scum and pay these kids cash from boosters to clean up and try to compete like everyone else. I think Tom Izzo could wins some games with real college kids. This is changing the rule for 319 schools, when really only a small percentage cheat- because really a small percentage of these 18 year old basketball "stars" have "market value" anyway.ip_law-hokie wrote:#1 and #2 are the closest.
There is so much money on the table, I think paying the kids a relatively modest stipend would actually clean the sport up.
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It is a false argument. There is no way most schools can pay all of its athletes, and if you pay just one athlete a salary then every athlete at that school will have to be paid, title IX and the lawyers will make sure of that. College athletics will cease to exist.CFB Apologist wrote:Do you stand?
1. They are already taking money under the table, so screw it?
2. The NCAA gets "gazillions" from CBS and the players don't get any of that pie, so they are entitled to it?
3. Only old white guys think college athletes are "amateurs", so just pay them?
4. A full ride scholarship is not that much money anyway?
5. If Shelor Motors will pay Josh Jackson a million dollars to sign autographs on a saturday, what's wrong with that?
Where in the college athletes deserve millions of dollars debate and scholarships aren't enough spectrum do you fall?
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Probably.CFB Apologist wrote:I think we can come to a reasonable guess/hypothesis... If VT (a top 25 football and top 50ish hoops) program is paying Ahmed Hill and DeShawn McClease, we need to get our money back. I think it is a really, really safe bet to say this is limited to the top 15 schools give or take.ip_law-hokie wrote:I have no idea if and how many schools are paying kids. As you know, the agents are a documented problem.CFB Apologist wrote:Or you tell the 15 or so schools that are scum and pay these kids cash from boosters to clean up and try to compete like everyone else. I think Tom Izzo could wins some games with real college kids. This is changing the rule for 319 schools, when really only a small percentage cheat- because really a small percentage of these 18 year old basketball "stars" have "market value" anyway.ip_law-hokie wrote:#1 and #2 are the closest.
There is so much money on the table, I think paying the kids a relatively modest stipend would actually clean the sport up.
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The solution is simple. Allow entry into the NFL and NBA- the only two sports where college players have any "market value"- at age 16. Seriously. Etch the rule in stone. If you are 16 and want "yours", find a pro team to pay you. Done. If not, you must abide by NCAA amateurism rules if you sign a college letter of intent. Period. Doneip_law-hokie wrote:Probably.CFB Apologist wrote:I think we can come to a reasonable guess/hypothesis... If VT (a top 25 football and top 50ish hoops) program is paying Ahmed Hill and DeShawn McClease, we need to get our money back. I think it is a really, really safe bet to say this is limited to the top 15 schools give or take.ip_law-hokie wrote:I have no idea if and how many schools are paying kids. As you know, the agents are a documented problem.CFB Apologist wrote:Or you tell the 15 or so schools that are scum and pay these kids cash from boosters to clean up and try to compete like everyone else. I think Tom Izzo could wins some games with real college kids. This is changing the rule for 319 schools, when really only a small percentage cheat- because really a small percentage of these 18 year old basketball "stars" have "market value" anyway.ip_law-hokie wrote:#1 and #2 are the closest.
There is so much money on the table, I think paying the kids a relatively modest stipend would actually clean the sport up.
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Others will know more than me about this, but my understanding is that the solution you are proposing is largely out of the NCAA's control. The NBA and NFL would need to make these changes.CFB Apologist wrote:The solution is simple. Allow entry into the NFL and NBA- the only two sports where college players have any "market value"- at age 16. Seriously. Etch the rule in stone. If you are 16 and want "yours", find a pro team to pay you. Done. If not, you must abide by NCAA amateurism rules if you sign a college letter of intent. Period. Doneip_law-hokie wrote:Probably.CFB Apologist wrote:I think we can come to a reasonable guess/hypothesis... If VT (a top 25 football and top 50ish hoops) program is paying Ahmed Hill and DeShawn McClease, we need to get our money back. I think it is a really, really safe bet to say this is limited to the top 15 schools give or take.ip_law-hokie wrote:I have no idea if and how many schools are paying kids. As you know, the agents are a documented problem.CFB Apologist wrote:Or you tell the 15 or so schools that are scum and pay these kids cash from boosters to clean up and try to compete like everyone else. I think Tom Izzo could wins some games with real college kids. This is changing the rule for 319 schools, when really only a small percentage cheat- because really a small percentage of these 18 year old basketball "stars" have "market value" anyway.ip_law-hokie wrote:#1 and #2 are the closest.
There is so much money on the table, I think paying the kids a relatively modest stipend would actually clean the sport up.
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Can’t pay revenue athletes without paying the non-revenue athletes. I’m perfectly fine with some variation of the Olympic model.
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What do you mean by that? Olympians are 100% outright pros now- have been for years. LeBron James played in the olympics. Not sure what you mean?nolanvt wrote:Can’t pay revenue athletes without paying the non-revenue athletes. I’m perfectly fine with some variation of the Olympic model.
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They are not paid by the IOC. I believe they’re getting paid for endorsements and things of that sort.CFB Apologist wrote:What do you mean by that? Olympians are 100% outright pros now- have been for years. LeBron James played in the olympics. Not sure what you mean?nolanvt wrote:Can’t pay revenue athletes without paying the non-revenue athletes. I’m perfectly fine with some variation of the Olympic model.
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So you would propose the "can sign autographs or do radio shows" for money, while still accepting a scholarship? type scenario? maybe, but independent shoe contracts with Nike is where I would draw the line- if not before that.nolanvt wrote:They are not paid by the IOC. I believe they’re getting paid for endorsements and things of that sort.CFB Apologist wrote:What do you mean by that? Olympians are 100% outright pros now- have been for years. LeBron James played in the olympics. Not sure what you mean?nolanvt wrote:Can’t pay revenue athletes without paying the non-revenue athletes. I’m perfectly fine with some variation of the Olympic model.
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yes, great team chemistry, the one guy is driving new cars and spending money hand over fist... the OL guy is eating ramen noodles and can't afford a movie...that would work out real well.nolanvt wrote:They are not paid by the IOC. I believe they’re getting paid for endorsements and things of that sort.CFB Apologist wrote:What do you mean by that? Olympians are 100% outright pros now- have been for years. LeBron James played in the olympics. Not sure what you mean?nolanvt wrote:Can’t pay revenue athletes without paying the non-revenue athletes. I’m perfectly fine with some variation of the Olympic model.
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Man how things have changed since my days in the 70's.
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Higher performers make more than lower performers. Film at 11.cwtcr hokie wrote:yes, great team chemistry, the one guy is driving new cars and spending money hand over fist... the OL guy is eating ramen noodles and can't afford a movie...that would work out real well.nolanvt wrote:They are not paid by the IOC. I believe they’re getting paid for endorsements and things of that sort.CFB Apologist wrote:What do you mean by that? Olympians are 100% outright pros now- have been for years. LeBron James played in the olympics. Not sure what you mean?nolanvt wrote:Can’t pay revenue athletes without paying the non-revenue athletes. I’m perfectly fine with some variation of the Olympic model.
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6. A full tuition, books, room and board scholarship, plus "cost of attendance" money, plus training table, plus professional coaching, plus fitness center, plus professional fitness and nutrition staff, plus exposure to professional scouts is plenty of compensation and nothing else need be done.
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Correct. Their unions are pushing back on 18 year olds gong pro right out of high school. They like the minor league feeder system that colleges provide for them. There is no incentive for them to change.ip_law-hokie wrote:Others will know more than me about this, but my understanding is that the solution you are proposing is largely out of the NCAA's control. The NBA and NFL would need to make these changes.CFB Apologist wrote:The solution is simple. Allow entry into the NFL and NBA- the only two sports where college players have any "market value"- at age 16. Seriously. Etch the rule in stone. If you are 16 and want "yours", find a pro team to pay you. Done. If not, you must abide by NCAA amateurism rules if you sign a college letter of intent. Period. Doneip_law-hokie wrote:Probably.CFB Apologist wrote:I think we can come to a reasonable guess/hypothesis... If VT (a top 25 football and top 50ish hoops) program is paying Ahmed Hill and DeShawn McClease, we need to get our money back. I think it is a really, really safe bet to say this is limited to the top 15 schools give or take.ip_law-hokie wrote:I have no idea if and how many schools are paying kids. As you know, the agents are a documented problem.CFB Apologist wrote:
Or you tell the 15 or so schools that are scum and pay these kids cash from boosters to clean up and try to compete like everyone else. I think Tom Izzo could wins some games with real college kids. This is changing the rule for 319 schools, when really only a small percentage cheat- because really a small percentage of these 18 year old basketball "stars" have "market value" anyway.
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Agree, but that doesn't address the whole "schools make millions, these kids don't get a piece of the pie and it goes on under the table anyway" crowd.. as if every 18 year old that throws a ball is entitled to millions before their pro payday.133743Hokie wrote:6. A full tuition, books, room and board scholarship, plus "cost of attendance" money, plus training table, plus professional coaching, plus fitness center, plus professional fitness and nutrition staff, plus exposure to professional scouts is plenty of compensation and nothing else need be done.
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At a job yes, college sports are not jobs thoughnolanvt wrote:Higher performers make more than lower performers. Film at 11.cwtcr hokie wrote:yes, great team chemistry, the one guy is driving new cars and spending money hand over fist... the OL guy is eating ramen noodles and can't afford a movie...that would work out real well.nolanvt wrote:They are not paid by the IOC. I believe they’re getting paid for endorsements and things of that sort.CFB Apologist wrote:What do you mean by that? Olympians are 100% outright pros now- have been for years. LeBron James played in the olympics. Not sure what you mean?nolanvt wrote:Can’t pay revenue athletes without paying the non-revenue athletes. I’m perfectly fine with some variation of the Olympic model.
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How so?cwtcr hokie wrote:At a job yes, college sports are not jobs thoughnolanvt wrote:Higher performers make more than lower performers. Film at 11.cwtcr hokie wrote:yes, great team chemistry, the one guy is driving new cars and spending money hand over fist... the OL guy is eating ramen noodles and can't afford a movie...that would work out real well.nolanvt wrote:They are not paid by the IOC. I believe they’re getting paid for endorsements and things of that sort.CFB Apologist wrote:What do you mean by that? Olympians are 100% outright pros now- have been for years. LeBron James played in the olympics. Not sure what you mean?nolanvt wrote:Can’t pay revenue athletes without paying the non-revenue athletes. I’m perfectly fine with some variation of the Olympic model.
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133743Hokie wrote:6. A full tuition, books, room and board scholarship, plus "cost of attendance" money, plus training table, plus professional coaching, plus fitness center, plus professional fitness and nutrition staff, plus exposure to professional scouts is plenty of compensation and nothing else need be done.
Yep. I wonder, will they be permitted to go on strike?
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I address it this way. The school is the company. The AD is the president and the head coaches are VPs. They run the ship. They drive the business. They make the hard decisions. They make the big money when things go well and they get fired, often with golden parachutes, when they don't succeed. The players are the rank and file staff. They are compensated well for what they do (see my post above for all that they get), but they are just rotating parts. They are all replaceable. They are a commodity. They're just employees. Now, when they perform well they get the benefit of starting, of regional or national recognition, and the chance to try and go professional.CFB Apologist wrote:Agree, but that doesn't address the whole "schools make millions, these kids don't get a piece of the pie and it goes on under the table anyway" crowd.. as if every 18 year old that throws a ball is entitled to millions before their pro payday.133743Hokie wrote:6. A full tuition, books, room and board scholarship, plus "cost of attendance" money, plus training table, plus professional coaching, plus fitness center, plus professional fitness and nutrition staff, plus exposure to professional scouts is plenty of compensation and nothing else need be done.