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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
Actions can be unnecessary yet proper.
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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
except if you read the article it very plainly and easily states why the recusal was a mistakeip_law-hokie wrote:Actions can be unnecessary yet proper.
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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
I disagree.cwtcr hokie wrote:except if you read the article it very plainly and easily states why the recusal was a mistakeip_law-hokie wrote:Actions can be unnecessary yet proper.
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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
bless your heartip_law-hokie wrote:I disagree.cwtcr hokie wrote:except if you read the article it very plainly and easily states why the recusal was a mistakeip_law-hokie wrote:Actions can be unnecessary yet proper.
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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
Generally in these matters, if there is any doubt that recusal is proper, then one should recuse. The general rule is set forth in Canon 9, EC 9-1.cwtcr hokie wrote:bless your heartip_law-hokie wrote:I disagree.cwtcr hokie wrote:except if you read the article it very plainly and easily states why the recusal was a mistakeip_law-hokie wrote:Actions can be unnecessary yet proper.
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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
and according to the article you are incorrect. bless your heartip_law-hokie wrote:Generally in these matters, if there is any doubt that recusal is proper, then one should recuse. The general rule is set forth in Canon 9, EC 9-1.cwtcr hokie wrote:bless your heartip_law-hokie wrote:I disagree.cwtcr hokie wrote:except if you read the article it very plainly and easily states why the recusal was a mistakeip_law-hokie wrote:Actions can be unnecessary yet proper.
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What passage are you referring?cwtcr hokie wrote:and according to the article you are incorrect. bless your heartip_law-hokie wrote:Generally in these matters, if there is any doubt that recusal is proper, then one should recuse. The general rule is set forth in Canon 9, EC 9-1.cwtcr hokie wrote:bless your heartip_law-hokie wrote:I disagree.cwtcr hokie wrote:except if you read the article it very plainly and easily states why the recusal was a mistakeip_law-hokie wrote:Actions can be unnecessary yet proper.
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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
From a perception perspective, given the climate and vitriol being spewed, it was appropriate. But legally it wasn't. More importantly it wasn't necessary to appoint a special counsel for an intelligence investigation as that isn't their role.ip_law-hokie wrote:Actions can be unnecessary yet proper.
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Sessions may have had his reasons... the expression "with a ten foot pole" comes to mind
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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
Based on your own first sentence, the recusal was proper.133743Hokie wrote:From a perception perspective, given the climate and vitriol being spewed, it was appropriate. But legally it wasn't. More importantly it wasn't necessary to appoint a special counsel for an intelligence investigation as that isn't their role.ip_law-hokie wrote:Actions can be unnecessary yet proper.
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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
It wasn't a criminal investigation, it was an intelligence one, so there is no possible conflict.ip_law-hokie wrote:Generally in these matters, if there is any doubt that recusal is proper, then one should recuse. The general rule is set forth in Canon 9, EC 9-1.cwtcr hokie wrote:bless your heartip_law-hokie wrote:I disagree.cwtcr hokie wrote:except if you read the article it very plainly and easily states why the recusal was a mistakeip_law-hokie wrote:Actions can be unnecessary yet proper.
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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
Unnecessary does not equal improper.133743Hokie wrote:It wasn't a criminal investigation, it was an intelligence one, so there is no possible conflict.ip_law-hokie wrote:Generally in these matters, if there is any doubt that recusal is proper, then one should recuse. The general rule is set forth in Canon 9, EC 9-1.cwtcr hokie wrote:bless your heartip_law-hokie wrote:I disagree.cwtcr hokie wrote:except if you read the article it very plainly and easily states why the recusal was a mistakeip_law-hokie wrote:Actions can be unnecessary yet proper.
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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
It was a political move, not an ethical one. The DOJ/FBI should have performed the intelligence investigation. If anything illegal involving someone from the Trump campaign was uncovered then a criminal investigation could have been opened and Sessions recuses himself and a special counsel brought in to assure impartiality. THAT's how this should have been handled. By the book. But partisan politics got in the way.ip_law-hokie wrote:Based on your own first sentence, the recusal was proper.133743Hokie wrote:From a perception perspective, given the climate and vitriol being spewed, it was appropriate. But legally it wasn't. More importantly it wasn't necessary to appoint a special counsel for an intelligence investigation as that isn't their role.ip_law-hokie wrote:Actions can be unnecessary yet proper.
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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
It's not the Attorney General's job to protect the president.133743Hokie wrote:It was a political move, not an ethical one. The DOJ/FBI should have performed the intelligence investigation. If anything illegal involving someone from the Trump campaign was uncovered then a criminal investigation could have been opened and Sessions recuses himself and a special counsel brought in to assure impartiality. THAT's how this should have been handled. By the book. But partisan politics got in the way.ip_law-hokie wrote:Based on your own first sentence, the recusal was proper.133743Hokie wrote:From a perception perspective, given the climate and vitriol being spewed, it was appropriate. But legally it wasn't. More importantly it wasn't necessary to appoint a special counsel for an intelligence investigation as that isn't their role.ip_law-hokie wrote:Actions can be unnecessary yet proper.
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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
Tell that to Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch.ip_law-hokie wrote:It's not the Attorney General's job to protect the president.133743Hokie wrote:It was a political move, not an ethical one. The DOJ/FBI should have performed the intelligence investigation. If anything illegal involving someone from the Trump campaign was uncovered then a criminal investigation could have been opened and Sessions recuses himself and a special counsel brought in to assure impartiality. THAT's how this should have been handled. By the book. But partisan politics got in the way.ip_law-hokie wrote:Based on your own first sentence, the recusal was proper.133743Hokie wrote:From a perception perspective, given the climate and vitriol being spewed, it was appropriate. But legally it wasn't. More importantly it wasn't necessary to appoint a special counsel for an intelligence investigation as that isn't their role.ip_law-hokie wrote:Actions can be unnecessary yet proper.
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And it's not his job to bow to political and media pressure. As the top law enforcement official he needs more backbone than he showed to stand up and do what is right, regardless of pressure. He didn't follow the appropriate processes put in place. He isn't allowing the proper course of justice to occur. He's intervened, which is inappropriate.
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it's tough to objectively analyze if you are a partisan.133743Hokie wrote:Tell that to Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch.ip_law-hokie wrote:It's not the Attorney General's job to protect the president.133743Hokie wrote:It was a political move, not an ethical one. The DOJ/FBI should have performed the intelligence investigation. If anything illegal involving someone from the Trump campaign was uncovered then a criminal investigation could have been opened and Sessions recuses himself and a special counsel brought in to assure impartiality. THAT's how this should have been handled. By the book. But partisan politics got in the way.ip_law-hokie wrote:Based on your own first sentence, the recusal was proper.133743Hokie wrote:From a perception perspective, given the climate and vitriol being spewed, it was appropriate. But legally it wasn't. More importantly it wasn't necessary to appoint a special counsel for an intelligence investigation as that isn't their role.ip_law-hokie wrote:Actions can be unnecessary yet proper.
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And it's not his job to bow to political and media pressure. As the top law enforcement official he needs more backbone than he showed to stand up and do what is right, regardless of pressure. He didn't follow the appropriate processes put in place. He isn't allowing the proper course of justice to occur. He's intervened, which is inappropriate.
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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
Ironically correct.ip_law-hokie wrote:it's tough to objectively analyze if you are a partisan.133743Hokie wrote:Tell that to Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch.ip_law-hokie wrote:It's not the Attorney General's job to protect the president.133743Hokie wrote:It was a political move, not an ethical one. The DOJ/FBI should have performed the intelligence investigation. If anything illegal involving someone from the Trump campaign was uncovered then a criminal investigation could have been opened and Sessions recuses himself and a special counsel brought in to assure impartiality. THAT's how this should have been handled. By the book. But partisan politics got in the way.ip_law-hokie wrote:Based on your own first sentence, the recusal was proper.133743Hokie wrote: From a perception perspective, given the climate and vitriol being spewed, it was appropriate. But legally it wasn't. More importantly it wasn't necessary to appoint a special counsel for an intelligence investigation as that isn't their role.
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And it's not his job to bow to political and media pressure. As the top law enforcement official he needs more backbone than he showed to stand up and do what is right, regardless of pressure. He didn't follow the appropriate processes put in place. He isn't allowing the proper course of justice to occur. He's intervened, which is inappropriate.
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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
Impropriety and the Appearance of Impropriety.
Impropriety is a higher standard than simply “obeying the law”; the phrase “appearance of impropriety” is an even higher standard than that. The Model Code is silent on who defines impropriety or who determines the appearance of it.
Examples of impropriety: Having a personal relationship with a process server, or serving alcohol at a social event to already inebriated individuals.
https://nacmnet.org/canon-12-avoiding-impropriety.html
Impropriety is a higher standard than simply “obeying the law”; the phrase “appearance of impropriety” is an even higher standard than that. The Model Code is silent on who defines impropriety or who determines the appearance of it.
Examples of impropriety: Having a personal relationship with a process server, or serving alcohol at a social event to already inebriated individuals.
https://nacmnet.org/canon-12-avoiding-impropriety.html
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Criminal is the key word you're missing.ip_law-hokie wrote:Impropriety and the Appearance of Impropriety.
Impropriety is a higher standard than simply “obeying the law”; the phrase “appearance of impropriety” is an even higher standard than that. The Model Code is silent on who defines impropriety or who determines the appearance of it.
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The standard set forth above is not limited to criminal proceedings.awesome guy wrote:Criminal is the key word you're missing.ip_law-hokie wrote:Impropriety and the Appearance of Impropriety.
Impropriety is a higher standard than simply “obeying the law”; the phrase “appearance of impropriety” is an even higher standard than that. The Model Code is silent on who defines impropriety or who determines the appearance of it.
Examples of impropriety: Having a personal relationship with a process server, or serving alcohol at a social event to already inebriated individuals.
https://nacmnet.org/canon-12-avoiding-impropriety.html
You guys can have the opinion that Sessions shouldn't have recused himself, but you can never characterize a circumspect, even arguably overly cautious approach to possible ethical pitfalls as being objectively improper. Even the RW article that was originally posted does not make this claim.
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Partisans think it's suspect. Enjoy your witch hunt.ip_law-hokie wrote:The standard set forth above is not limited to criminal proceedings.awesome guy wrote:Criminal is the key word you're missing.ip_law-hokie wrote:Impropriety and the Appearance of Impropriety.
Impropriety is a higher standard than simply “obeying the law”; the phrase “appearance of impropriety” is an even higher standard than that. The Model Code is silent on who defines impropriety or who determines the appearance of it.
Examples of impropriety: Having a personal relationship with a process server, or serving alcohol at a social event to already inebriated individuals.
https://nacmnet.org/canon-12-avoiding-impropriety.html
You guys can have the opinion that Sessions shouldn't have recused himself, but you can never characterize a circumspect, even arguably overly cautious approach to possible ethical pitfalls as being objectively improper. Even the RW article that was originally posted does not make this claim.
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I agree with your first sentence. Your second sentence does not make sense to me.awesome guy wrote:Partisans think it's suspect. Enjoy your witch hunt.ip_law-hokie wrote:The standard set forth above is not limited to criminal proceedings.awesome guy wrote:Criminal is the key word you're missing.ip_law-hokie wrote:Impropriety and the Appearance of Impropriety.
Impropriety is a higher standard than simply “obeying the law”; the phrase “appearance of impropriety” is an even higher standard than that. The Model Code is silent on who defines impropriety or who determines the appearance of it.
Examples of impropriety: Having a personal relationship with a process server, or serving alcohol at a social event to already inebriated individuals.
https://nacmnet.org/canon-12-avoiding-impropriety.html
You guys can have the opinion that Sessions shouldn't have recused himself, but you can never characterize a circumspect, even arguably overly cautious approach to possible ethical pitfalls as being objectively improper. Even the RW article that was originally posted does not make this claim.
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Re: Sessions recusal unnecessary?
Well so far all Mueller has found after a year of spending huge amounts of taxpayer dollars is Obummer and Hillary both used gov. agencies to do unethical and illegal actions, so who is Sessions protecting? Obummer?ip_law-hokie wrote:I agree with your first sentence. Your second sentence does not make sense to me.awesome guy wrote:Partisans think it's suspect. Enjoy your witch hunt.ip_law-hokie wrote:The standard set forth above is not limited to criminal proceedings.awesome guy wrote:Criminal is the key word you're missing.ip_law-hokie wrote:Impropriety and the Appearance of Impropriety.
Impropriety is a higher standard than simply “obeying the law”; the phrase “appearance of impropriety” is an even higher standard than that. The Model Code is silent on who defines impropriety or who determines the appearance of it.
Examples of impropriety: Having a personal relationship with a process server, or serving alcohol at a social event to already inebriated individuals.
https://nacmnet.org/canon-12-avoiding-impropriety.html
You guys can have the opinion that Sessions shouldn't have recused himself, but you can never characterize a circumspect, even arguably overly cautious approach to possible ethical pitfalls as being objectively improper. Even the RW article that was originally posted does not make this claim.
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indicted several people with a few guilty pleas. Right?cwtcr hokie wrote:Well so far all Mueller has found after a year of spending huge amounts of taxpayer dollars is Obummer and Hillary both used gov. agencies to do unethical and illegal actions, so who is Sessions protecting? Obummer?ip_law-hokie wrote:I agree with your first sentence. Your second sentence does not make sense to me.awesome guy wrote:Partisans think it's suspect. Enjoy your witch hunt.ip_law-hokie wrote:The standard set forth above is not limited to criminal proceedings.awesome guy wrote:Criminal is the key word you're missing.ip_law-hokie wrote:Impropriety and the Appearance of Impropriety.
Impropriety is a higher standard than simply “obeying the law”; the phrase “appearance of impropriety” is an even higher standard than that. The Model Code is silent on who defines impropriety or who determines the appearance of it.
Examples of impropriety: Having a personal relationship with a process server, or serving alcohol at a social event to already inebriated individuals.
https://nacmnet.org/canon-12-avoiding-impropriety.html
You guys can have the opinion that Sessions shouldn't have recused himself, but you can never characterize a circumspect, even arguably overly cautious approach to possible ethical pitfalls as being objectively improper. Even the RW article that was originally posted does not make this claim.
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