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Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:59 pm
by nolanvt
to the black men who were wrongly arrested and removed from one of their stores in Philly.

https://news.starbucks.com/views/starbu ... a-incident


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Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:33 pm
by Major Kong
The Philly Police Commissioner's response to the incident...sounds like they were rightly arrested:

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Philadelphia's police commissioner on Saturday defended officers who arrested two black men at a Starbucks, prompting accusations of racism on social media, concern from the mayor and an apology from the company.

Videos posted online show officers handcuffing the men in the downtown establishment on Thursday. A white man in the video is heard saying he was meeting with the men and calls the arrest "ridiculous."

Commissioner Richard Ross said Starbucks employees called 911 to say the men were trespassing. He said officers were told that the men had come in and asked to use the restroom but were denied because they hadn't bought anything, as he said is company policy. He said they then refused to leave.

Ross, who is black, said police asked the men to leave three times but they refused, and they were then arrested but were later released after the company elected not to prosecute. He said the officers "did absolutely nothing wrong" and were professional in their conduct toward the individuals but "got the opposite back." He did not mention the person who said he was meeting with the men.

"As an African American male, I am very aware of implicit bias; we are committed to fair and unbiased policing," Ross said. But he added "If a business calls and they say that 'Someone is here that I no longer wish to be in my business' (officers) now have a legal obligation to carry out their duties and they did just that."

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Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:03 pm
by nolanvt
Major Kong wrote:The Philly Police Commissioner's response to the incident...sounds like they were rightly arrested:

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Philadelphia's police commissioner on Saturday defended officers who arrested two black men at a Starbucks, prompting accusations of racism on social media, concern from the mayor and an apology from the company.

Videos posted online show officers handcuffing the men in the downtown establishment on Thursday. A white man in the video is heard saying he was meeting with the men and calls the arrest "ridiculous."

Commissioner Richard Ross said Starbucks employees called 911 to say the men were trespassing. He said officers were told that the men had come in and asked to use the restroom but were denied because they hadn't bought anything, as he said is company policy. He said they then refused to leave.

Ross, who is black, said police asked the men to leave three times but they refused, and they were then arrested but were later released after the company elected not to prosecute. He said the officers "did absolutely nothing wrong" and were professional in their conduct toward the individuals but "got the opposite back." He did not mention the person who said he was meeting with the men.

"As an African American male, I am very aware of implicit bias; we are committed to fair and unbiased policing," Ross said. But he added "If a business calls and they say that 'Someone is here that I no longer wish to be in my business' (officers) now have a legal obligation to carry out their duties and they did just that."

Click here for the AP article
I don’t think race played a part on the cops’ side because they let them go after further evaluation. The two guys may have asked to use the bathroom, but they were also there waiting on the rest of their group and hadn’t ordered yet. The Starbucks employee’s mistake was calling the cops in the first place.


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Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:32 pm
by USN_Hokie
nolanvt wrote:to the black men who were wrongly arrested and removed from one of their stores in Philly.

https://news.starbucks.com/views/starbu ... a-incident


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Whether they're due one or not aside, that's not an apology. That's something written by a bunch of lawyers to take no responsibility while making LIV-types think they did.

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:26 pm
by Major Kong
USN_Hokie wrote:Whether they're due one or not aside, that's not an apology. That's something written by a bunch of lawyers to take no responsibility while making LIV-types think they did.
Ayup...a very poorly, hastily written CYA.

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:33 pm
by awesome guy
USN_Hokie wrote:
nolanvt wrote:to the black men who were wrongly arrested and removed from one of their stores in Philly.

https://news.starbucks.com/views/starbu ... a-incident


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Whether they're due one or not aside, that's not an apology. That's something written by a bunch of lawyers to take no responsibility while making LIV-types think they did.
Too late, Nolan already made a wet spot in his pants.

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:11 pm
by USN_Hokie
nolanvt wrote: I don’t think race played a part on the cops’ side because they let them go after further evaluation. The two guys may have asked to use the bathroom, but they were also there waiting on the rest of their group and hadn’t ordered yet. The Starbucks employee’s mistake was calling the cops in the first place.


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The fact that you have to ask for a key to use the bathroom at this Starbucks kind of speaks to the fact that not all their customers are their for (legal) business meetings. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a number of important facts / context missing from this story.

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:49 pm
by cwtcr hokie
nolanvt wrote:
Major Kong wrote:The Philly Police Commissioner's response to the incident...sounds like they were rightly arrested:

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Philadelphia's police commissioner on Saturday defended officers who arrested two black men at a Starbucks, prompting accusations of racism on social media, concern from the mayor and an apology from the company.

Videos posted online show officers handcuffing the men in the downtown establishment on Thursday. A white man in the video is heard saying he was meeting with the men and calls the arrest "ridiculous."

Commissioner Richard Ross said Starbucks employees called 911 to say the men were trespassing. He said officers were told that the men had come in and asked to use the restroom but were denied because they hadn't bought anything, as he said is company policy. He said they then refused to leave.

Ross, who is black, said police asked the men to leave three times but they refused, and they were then arrested but were later released after the company elected not to prosecute. He said the officers "did absolutely nothing wrong" and were professional in their conduct toward the individuals but "got the opposite back." He did not mention the person who said he was meeting with the men.

"As an African American male, I am very aware of implicit bias; we are committed to fair and unbiased policing," Ross said. But he added "If a business calls and they say that 'Someone is here that I no longer wish to be in my business' (officers) now have a legal obligation to carry out their duties and they did just that."

Click here for the AP article
I don’t think race played a part on the cops’ side because they let them go after further evaluation. The two guys may have asked to use the bathroom, but they were also there waiting on the rest of their group and hadn’t ordered yet. The Starbucks employee’s mistake was calling the cops in the first place.


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except your initial post is totally false, the business can trespass someone for just about any reason. Watching Live PD you see it all the time. Of course the Starbucks thing turns into a big issue as it is two black people being treated badly (in their words). My question would be why did the men not say they were waiting on someone and would be ordering later? Or were they butt heads to the business's employees instead of being decent humans and that is what led to the assumptions made by the employees?

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:02 pm
by BigDave
cwtcr hokie wrote:except your initial post is totally false, the business can trespass someone for just about any reason. Watching Live PD you see it all the time. Of course the Starbucks thing turns into a big issue as it is two black people being treated badly (in their words). My question would be why did the men not say they were waiting on someone and would be ordering later? Or were they butt heads to the business's employees instead of being decent humans and that is what led to the assumptions made by the employees?
Maybe they were not, in fact, planning to order at all? They were just there to have a meeting and nobody in their party was going to order anything?

The issue is that Starbucks doesn't consistently enforce a policy of kicking people out who have no intention of ever ordering anything - they only kicked out black people who didn't order anything. If they were being belligerent, I would think that would have come out from one of the numerous people with cameras.

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:13 pm
by Mcl3 Hokie
However, I’ve never been to a Starbucks where you needed a code for the bathroom. Sounds like a sketchy neighborhood where the store didn’t tolerate loiterers. The original article said the employee was following company policy.
BigDave wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:except your initial post is totally false, the business can trespass someone for just about any reason. Watching Live PD you see it all the time. Of course the Starbucks thing turns into a big issue as it is two black people being treated badly (in their words). My question would be why did the men not say they were waiting on someone and would be ordering later? Or were they butt heads to the business's employees instead of being decent humans and that is what led to the assumptions made by the employees?
Maybe they were not, in fact, planning to order at all? They were just there to have a meeting and nobody in their party was going to order anything?

The issue is that Starbucks doesn't consistently enforce a policy of kicking people out who have no intention of ever ordering anything - they only kicked out black people who didn't order anything. If they were being belligerent, I would think that would have come out from one of the numerous people with cameras.

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:14 pm
by cwtcr hokie
BigDave wrote:
cwtcr hokie wrote:except your initial post is totally false, the business can trespass someone for just about any reason. Watching Live PD you see it all the time. Of course the Starbucks thing turns into a big issue as it is two black people being treated badly (in their words). My question would be why did the men not say they were waiting on someone and would be ordering later? Or were they butt heads to the business's employees instead of being decent humans and that is what led to the assumptions made by the employees?
Maybe they were not, in fact, planning to order at all? They were just there to have a meeting and nobody in their party was going to order anything?

The issue is that Starbucks doesn't consistently enforce a policy of kicking people out who have no intention of ever ordering anything - they only kicked out black people who didn't order anything. If they were being belligerent, I would think that would have come out from one of the numerous people with cameras.
And Starbucks has a right to enforce its policy, its as simple as that

see MCL3 post, there could be an issue with the location, I have seen it several times that restrooms are not usable unless you are buying something, pretty simple policy

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:39 pm
by BigDave
cwtcr hokie wrote:And Starbucks has a right to enforce its policy, its as simple as that

see MCL3 post, there could be an issue with the location, I have seen it several times that restrooms are not usable unless you are buying something, pretty simple policy
Of course they have a right to deny access to the restrooms to people who don't order something. (They DO consistently enforce that policy and so there is no racism there.)

They even have a right to eject people from the store if they don't order something. But that is NOT a policy that they enforce anywhere. That inconsistency is the reason that this is a problem - if every single person who sat in the store without ordering something was kicked out, then Starbucks would not be in trouble here.

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:05 pm
by USN_Hokie
Plot twist: what if....the barista who called the cops (in addition to the person with the camera) knows these two? Errebody gettin paid.

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:55 pm
by BigDave
The internet has outed the store manager who called the police ... a 31-year-old white woman.

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:00 pm
by USN_Hokie
BigDave wrote:The internet has outed the store manager who called the police ... a 31-year-old white woman.
Well there goes my plot twist. Death threats commence in 3....2.....

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:11 pm
by ip_law-hokie
USN_Hokie wrote:
BigDave wrote:The internet has outed the store manager who called the police ... a 31-year-old white woman.
Well there goes my plot twist. Death threats commence in 3....2.....
Better luck next time.


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Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:15 pm
by awesome guy
USN_Hokie wrote:
BigDave wrote:The internet has outed the store manager who called the police ... a 31-year-old white woman.
Well there goes my plot twist. Death threats commence in 3....2.....
Why wouldn't a white woman know them?

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:29 pm
by USN_Hokie
awesome guy wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
BigDave wrote:The internet has outed the store manager who called the police ... a 31-year-old white woman.
Well there goes my plot twist. Death threats commence in 3....2.....
Why wouldn't a white woman know them?
It's possible, but anyone doing this should know backlash was coming. Not a smart move on her part if that's what happened.

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:37 pm
by HooFighter
I wonder if the one thing we can all agree on is that the CEO of Starbucks has no business running for president.

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:40 pm
by awesome guy
HooFighter wrote:I wonder if the one thing we can all agree on is that the CEO of Starbucks has no business running for president.
No way, he should certainly run.

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:44 pm
by HokieHam
awesome guy wrote:
HooFighter wrote:I wonder if the one thing we can all agree on is that the CEO of Starbucks has no business running for president.
No way, he should certainly run.
Absolutely! The more choices, the better!

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:46 pm
by awesome guy
HokieHam wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HooFighter wrote:I wonder if the one thing we can all agree on is that the CEO of Starbucks has no business running for president.
No way, he should certainly run.
Absolutely! The more choices, the better!
Hear, hear!

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:00 pm
by USN_Hokie
HokieHam wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HooFighter wrote:I wonder if the one thing we can all agree on is that the CEO of Starbucks has no business running for president.
No way, he should certainly run.
Absolutely! The more choices, the better!
Agree 100%. Choices are good.

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:03 pm
by HokieHam
USN_Hokie wrote:
HokieHam wrote:
awesome guy wrote:
HooFighter wrote:I wonder if the one thing we can all agree on is that the CEO of Starbucks has no business running for president.
No way, he should certainly run.
Absolutely! The more choices, the better!
Agree 100%. Choices are good.
They’re really only Pro-Choice if it means slaughtering a baby in the womb......

Re: Starbucks CEO issues apology

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:47 pm
by Vienna_Hokie
HooFighter wrote:I wonder if the one thing we can all agree on is that the CEO of Starbucks has no business running for president.
Maybe, but for different reasons.

Intelligent people because he's a pandering leftist wimp who believes in the I got mine, now redistribute theirs mindset.

For you it's because he would split the leftist vote and ensure that bad orange man gets to appoint at least 4 judges to the supreme court over his 8 years, thus taking away the lefts only method of legislating (having laws rewritten or reinterpreted)